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WineHorror1 saysThe medical exemption can be used. I'm pretty sure a video was posted on Patrick.net showing how to fill out an affidavit and who to contact for starting a lawsuit if it came to that. 1st offense is a $75,000 fine. Second offense is $150,000.
Lets be clear here - the business is not the enemy. Depending on where you are, the business can face serious fines if an inspector finds the business is not enforcing a mask policy or some Karen rats them out. Furthermore, some dipshit could sue the business claiming they caught Covid at that location because of the unenforced mask policy. Making the business also face lawsuits from customers not wanting to wear the mask is unfair. Be sure to take your legal action against the state.
Doctors are very reluctant to hand these exemptions out.
WineHorror1 says
The store is responsible for what they do and the ADA is Clear. Also, I believe all states have the medical exemption.
The ADA is clear alright, in that it is nearly impossible to qualify for a medical exemption for a face covering. Got a breathing problem, try a face shield. No ears, find another way to fasten it. You cannot just walk in and say "medical exemption," you must have proof from a doctor that you are a burn victim or otherwise exempted. Doctors are very reluctant to hand these exemptions out.
"The store is responsible for what they do" is just how the government sees it, so if people are caught in the store without a mask, the store gets cited. If anyone wants to play that "no mask because of medical exemption" trick, do it at the DMV or other government buildings.
A store cannot ask for proof.
GlocknLoad saysA store cannot ask for proof.
Not sure anyone can in public. Your medical records are just that, yours. Obviously blood donation, organ donation, etc. basically some sort of medical procedure would require disclosure.
Having a broken bone (heel) and traveling, no one even blinked or asked a question for proof this past November when I went to MX. Everyone was throwing wheel chairs at me every step of the way without question. I had clearance to be out of the boot, but couldn't start PT because of the trip, so I stayed in it.
The problem comes in when managers and people you're dealing with don't understand medical conditions and combine that with Covid fear. They're going to side with the masses 9 out of 10 times regardless of law or medical condition when it comes to a mask. So even a legitimate reason to not wear a mask will get you denied. Whereas rolling...
They way I read the OP's title post is that we should celebrate Europe and Mexico saying fuck the mask, no?
The FIRST grocery store that lets me shop without a mask gets all my business forever.
That is exactly what big franchise business wanted.
The FIRST grocery store that lets me shop without a mask gets all my business forever.
Lets be clear here - the business is not the enemy.
The problem comes in when managers and people you're dealing with don't understand medical conditions and combine that with Covid fear. They're going to side with the masses 9 out of 10 times regardless of law or medical condition when it comes to a mask. So even a legitimate reason to not wear a mask will get you denied. Whereas rolling up in a wheelchair they won't bat an eye about your condition or ask to see if you're actually crippled.
Patrick saysThe FIRST grocery store that lets me shop without a mask gets all my business forever.
Dude, +1,000
Now, how to form a group of 1,000,000 that will scream this from the mountain tops?
Hi TJ,
I am truly sick of the scientifically pointless demand to wear a mask while shopping.
The FIRST grocery store to let me shop unharassed without a mask on gets all of my business FOREVER. I will gladly pay more to support science, sanity, and freedom.
I am spreading this message to everyone I know.
Patrick
NuttBoxer saysNot to spread disease, but to build community, socialize, support people who are hurting financially, and love. Because without love, what's the point of staying alive?
So you're planning on spreading disease, at the cost of more people dying.
Patrick saysBull fucking shit.
Zero evidence that wearing a mask in a large indoor space does anything at all.
Mask wearing outside of an operating room is nothing more that a psychotic phobia.
Stop the bullshit, there are multiple studies indicating that there may be an efficacy and it cost close to nothing to implement. Going against wearing masks even if it provided only a small benefit is nothing but pure dickheadedness.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118#ref-29
https://www.ajtmh.org/view/journals/tpmd/103/6/article-p2400.xml?tab_body=fulltext
Stop the bullshit, there are multiple studies indicating that there may be an efficacy and it cost close to nothing to implement. Going against wearing masks even if it provided only a small benefit is nothing but pure dickheadedness.
Why not put up graphs of countries that wore masks early?
WineHorror1 saysYou have what is called an irrational fear.
Sounds like projecting from a very self centric mindset.
Consider the environment we're in here where the level of case growth and hospital fullness are used as triggers for stricter lockdowns. We were just locked down for several weeks, school reopening plans were set back, personal care salons were closed.
Now you might say you disagree with both masks and lockdowns. But, given that environment, if masks can reduce case spread by even 10%... Wear the fucking masks. I don't see how you can claim to be pro labor and then support actions that may set back the recovery.
Patrick, these graphs are not that useful because they're pointing at a single variable when there are multiple changing variables.
Patrick says
Patrick, these graphs are not that useful because they're pointing at a single variable when there are multiple changing variables. Governments slammed on the brakes with strict lockdowns, and then implemented mask wearing as they were easing off the brakes in other ways. I don't think you can reasonably tell what effect masks had or did not have without isolating the variables.
Going against wearing masks even if it provided only a small benefit is nothing but pure dickheadedness.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Huh, I wonder why...
I only have one 1st hand acquaintance who got Covid and they were traveling abroad at the time, and 3 or so 2nd hand reports of cases.
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