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georgeliberte says

And "Tax Avoidance Strategies."

krc says

Teachers don't like it, but they are by design professional babysitters

krc: are you a parent of schoolagers? Just asking

krc says

I wonder what OC is doing? I thought they were going to be "in person"

"The County Office of Education" has just about no budget and no authority over school districts. It can make highfalutin policy recommendations all it wants, but that's what they are: policy recommendations.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Which among you are parents of schoolagers?

Not me. I fucking hate kids.

I have a third grader and a sixth grader and an eighth grader. The older two can handle online or whatever hybrid winds up being done, but the younger girl needs in person schooling. It was an absolute nightmare last semester and the curriculum was garbage. And then none of it wound up counting for anything because of “hold harmless.” Half the junior high and high school kids just stopped doing any work at all a couple months from the end of the year and nothing changed.

I agree that suburban moms are going to be lost to the Democrats with this. It’s an unbelievable bind they’re putting us in, those of us with younger kids and two working parents are especially screwed.

And I love their “solution” for parents: “one parent should quit their job to stay home with the kids.”

So we should lose our jobs and homes and get poor so teachers can sit at home and collect checks for doing very little?

It’s maddening.

We are about to pull the trigger on private school for the youngest one. Sanity is worth a lot.

Shaman says

but the younger girl needs in person schooling.

Dad, do you want to send the third grader back to a classroom? How do you feel about president trump making that decision for you?

Disclosure: my kids are adults, but no grandkids (yet). I am so glad my kids and I don't face these difficult decisions.

Shaman says

I agree that suburban moms are going to be lost to the Democrats with this. It’s an unbelievable bind they’re putting us in, those of us with younger kids and two working parents are especially screwed.

Between that and the defund police bullshit along with supporting rioters - got to believe lots of soccer moms will be voting Trump and Republicans this year.

socal2 says

got to believe lots of soccer moms will be voting Trump

What about you, Socal? Do you want your kids to return to the classroom in the coming weeks? How do you feel about president trump making that decision for you? Is that what your soccer mom thinks?

B.A.C.A.H. says

How do you feel about president trump making that decision for you?

I am happy he isn't. I am not happy that Newsome is.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dad, do you want to send the third grader back to a classroom? How do you feel about president trump making that decision for you?

Yes very much so! She’s social and needs social contact to make the education mean something. She’s bored and unhappy staying at home and will drive us crazy with her response to these feelings.
I want all my kids back in school in person full time but I don’t have the ability to control that.

No I am not worried about Covid. It’s a minor cold for most people. A lot of people I know have had it recently and none of them were very sick. Maybe it’s mutated to be less harmful. Viruses do that.
Hell, I had a cold last week that scored most of the symptoms, but wasn’t severe enough to make me miss work. Was it the Rona? Quite possibly. I’m not getting tested though, for several reasons:
1)if I test positive then I have two weeks off and have to jump through hurdles to get back to work
2)if I test positive I have to quarantine and won’t be able to inadvertently spread it around.
3)we need herd immunity to get past this thing, and quarantine defeats the process

Oh and I am fine with Trump wanting in person school. I WISH he could mandate that but I don’t think he has the power.
He’s just following the experts on this one. The academy of pediatrics recommended this. So did the NAS. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/nas-report-urges-school-districts-prioritize-reopening

This is something that experts around the world understand, and it should be followed but instead Democrats are digging in their heels and squealing like the porkers they are. Fuck them.

B.A.C.A.H. says

What about you, Socal? Do you want your kids to return to the classroom in the coming weeks? How do you feel about president trump making that decision for you? Is that what your soccer mom thinks?

My wife, kids and our friends with kids are ALL very anxious to send our kids back to school.

Especially my daughter who is so bummed she is missing out on band, sports and socializing with her friends.

Believe over 80% of our school's survey wanted in-person class this Fall.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Do you want your kids to return to the classroom in the coming weeks?

I absolutely want my kids back in class.

Onvacation says

I am not happy that Newsome is.

Dude, every morning you wake up in California, it's because you made a choice to do so.

Because nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you live in California.

What is really aggravating is that daycare and after-school programs are remaining open (so far). We will see the final order from Newsom, and if he doesn't close the daycare providers then you know this is all about the CTA and not about preventing covid spread. Teacher union is powerful. The online "classes" during spring was a complete shit-show.

If online "was" successful then you might at least get rid of half the teachers and staff, consolidate schools (make money from selling valuable land), etc... but the CTA will make sure the "education" will be ineffective as well. Already in our area, daycares are promoting that they will guide the kids through the online work form the "schools". He is also forcing private and religious schools to follow the same regulations, so that again also protects the CTA: ensuring public school funding at par to previous year even if kids stop attending and go to home schooling, and protects the teacher's pay, benefits, and job protection.

The idea that CA wants fewer "week to week" cases is not realistic as we test more. They should be looking at R values (transmission rates) and make a determination. And, I think this hurts Trump as he is seen as ineffective in this area. I think the administration didn't realize that in CA and the west generally, schools open early August and not in the fall anymore.

It also is another indicator that education simply is not valued in the US. In the EU, most schools are opening as normal or with a hybrid model. Asia is fully open. Those are highly unionized countries (EU), but education is valued and they can evaluate risks better in general than the US.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Onvacation says

I am not happy that Newsome is.

Dude, every morning you wake up in California, it's because you made a choice to do so.

Because nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you live in California.

The last six months broke the straw on the camels back. The flight out of California that's coming might dwarf all others. Many I know are making plans which are made even easier with current market. Sunny Detroit with ton of Mexicans is in CA future, one large earthquake and this place turns into TJ overnight and nothing can stop it.

Shaman says

Oh and I am fine with Trump wanting in person school. I WISH he could mandate that but I don’t think he has the power.

Does he have the authority to cut funding to schools that do not open?

B.A.C.A.H. says

socal2 says

got to believe lots of soccer moms will be voting Trump

What about you, Socal? Do you want your kids to return to the classroom in the coming weeks? How do you feel about president trump making that decision for you? Is that what your soccer mom thinks?

Trump was late to the game here. He could have tried to declare schools an essential service, but has not. Not sure that means anything anyway. If we want and support state rights, then I don't see him overriding the Governors. But he should at least point out the hypocrisy of keeping daycare and after-school programs open. This is just a "union thing" with zero concern for children and zero concern for dual income families. CTA sucks and will make sure online education is a shit show as it was in the spring. CTA does NOTHING "for the kids".

zzyzzx says

Shaman says

Oh and I am fine with Trump wanting in person school. I WISH he could mandate that but I don’t think he has the power.

Does he have the authority to cut funding to schools that do not open?

Education is funded at a local level. Most federal funding is for higher education, and very little is k-12. There is not much he can influence by manipulating the purse strings.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dude, every morning you wake up in California, it's because you made a choice to do so.

Because nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you live in California.

I hear you. I long ago factored in the "paradise tax" to put up with retarded Democrat dysfunction and high taxes to enjoy living in one of the most beautiful places in the world with great surf.

That said, if I didn't live near the coast and live in a well run city - I would have bailed long ago.

https://edsource.org/2020/as-pandemic-spreads-gov-newsom-expected-to-impose-stricter-regulations-for-school-opening-and-closing/636475

Looks like schools will be closed if this is accurate. And reopening isn’t a realistic possibility under these guidelines.
Therefore parents need to find other options.

One option is daycare with assisted learning with online education. Honestly that is going to be the most popular, but there’s not going to be enough daycare centers to keep up with demand. A local gym in my neighborhood is offering a “school experience” until 3PM where coaches and parents help the kids work through virtual academy programs. I’m strongly considering this for one to two of my kids. Getting them out of the house and interacting with other kids and people is essential for their mental health and development. And no I am not even considering Covid a hazard. It’s a fucking hoax.

So we are going to see a bunch of Red States and the rest of the civilized world back to school this Fall and carefully reopening - meanwhile Blue States will keep the lock down going, closing schools while BLM and Commies are free to riot.

krc says

This is just a "union thing" with zero concern for children and zero concern for dual income families

Dude, others with views on this have shared that they are parents of schoolagers.

But, for someone with such strong views, you did not.

And you expect others to take your views seriously on this topic?

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dude, others with views on this have shared that they are parents of schoolagers.

But, for someone with such strong views, you did not.

And you expect others to take your views seriously on this topic?

Does one really have to have kids to be pissed off that thuggish teachers unions are abusing our tax dollars and holding kids hostage over their political demands like defunding the police and Medicare for all?

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dude, every morning you wake up in California, it's because you made a choice to do so.

Because nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you live in California.

What are you saying? Put up with fascism, or leave the state?

B.A.C.A.H. says

krc says

This is just a "union thing" with zero concern for children and zero concern for dual income families

Dude, others with views on this have shared that they are parents of schoolagers.

But, for someone with such strong views, you did not.

And you expect others to take your views seriously on this topic?

Dude, we pay taxes for a service that is supposed to be provided. I'm not sure where you're going in this thread. You just said you don't have kids in the school system. Why do you even care?

If your house was burning and the fire department didn't show because they were afraid they might get a cold, pretty sure you'd be pissed. That is exactly what is happening across the country. There's no logic. Teachers teach or they don't get paid. There's no in between if the kids are at home 100% of the time. They're not teaching.

B.A.C.A.H. says

krc says

This is just a "union thing" with zero concern for children and zero concern for dual income families

Dude, others with views on this have shared that they are parents of schoolagers.

But, for someone with such strong views, you did not.

And you expect others to take your views seriously on this topic?

I have two high schoolers. I don't think it is that strong of a view but yes that is the reason why I am "upset." Friends I have with no kids don't care and aren't bothered by the inconsistency. It makes no sense to have after school programs and day care available but education remote. This is ALL about the CTA. Get woke.

If Newsom shuts the daycares, then I wouldn't be so upset as it is at least consistent. Too bad we don't value education to the level the rest of the world does.

It's a sad state of affairs where liquor stores and pot shops are considered essential services and schools are not.
Why are we being asked to self muzzle? Could it have anything to do with Biden and Epstein?

WookieMan says

Dude, we pay taxes for a service that is supposed to be provided. I'm not sure where you're going in this thread. You just said you don't have kids in the school system.

socal2 says

Does one really have to have kids to be pissed off that thuggish teachers unions are abusing our tax dollars and holding kids hostage over their political demands like defunding the police and Medicare for all?

It's kind of like vax versus anti-vax, heroic aggressive medicine for a child with a terminal diagnosis vs hospice.

It's a personal decision that will be informed by the personal values of parents of what they think is best for their kids.

You are correct to point out that thankfully I don't have my own kids in this situation as mine are done with K-12. Just nieces and nephews, all in Northern California, in grades from K - 9. As uncle I have a lot of empathy for their parents. I keep my mouth shut and let them vent at me. Even though they're nieces and nephews, they're not my kids.

I agree with you all that the prerogatives of Public Employee Unions should not be what drives these decisions.

Onvacation says

What are you saying? Put up with fascism, or leave the state?

I didn't say that. You did. Do you reside in California?

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dude, every morning you wake up in California, it's because you made a choice to do so.

Because nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you live in California.

Sounds like love it or leave it.

I hate what Newsom and the Democrats have done to my beautiful state. When I was a kid the thought that loafers would be able to set up tents at SF city hall and shit on the streets was ridiculous.

Last time (and the first) I volunteered at St Anthony's last January I could not believe how much the city has changed. The tents are now everywhere. The smell is revolting. The mentally deranged roam freely.

The Dems have no problem encouraging lawlessness and discouraging polite society. Polite society is getting fed up with the Bull Human Shit.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dude, others with views on this have shared that they are parents of schoolagers.

But, for someone with such strong views, you did not.

And you expect others to take your views seriously on this topic?

Seriously?

How many children's lives do you want destroyed by California's juvenile indoctrination system?

B.A.C.A.H. says

It's a personal decision that will be informed by the personal values of parents of what they think is best for their kids.

Personal decision of what though? My decision is to send my kids to school as normal. That's not what is happening. My kids are going to do 5 days a week, half days. I had zero decision in that. There were no elections between March and now for my school board so that's not a cop out for the dip shits that say run for the board given the timing of this virus. There was no personal decision I was allowed to make. None.

You are right that this should be a personal decision. If the teacher is scared, let the district know that you're quitting and they'll hire someone else. If you don't want your kids in school, don't send them and home school or do remote learning if the school offers it. If I want my kids in school for a full normal day, that I'm paying for, I should be able to do that. The fact that some gray area was created due to a cold bug is laughable. It's full school or just shut it down and cut costs of paying teachers. There's really no counter argument considering there's no legitimate evidence of a child under 18 dying from this.

WookieMan says

B.A.C.A.H. says

It's a personal decision that will be informed by the personal values of parents of what they think is best for their kids.

Personal decision of what though? My decision is to send my kids to school as normal. That's not what is happening. My kids are going to do 5 days a week, half days. I had zero decision in that. There were no elections between March and now for my school board so that's not a cop out for the dip shits that say run for the board given the timing of this virus. There was no personal decision I was allowed to make. None.

You are right that this should be a personal decision. If the teacher is scared, let the district know that you're quitting and they'll hire someone else. If you don't want your kids in school, don't send them and home school or do remote learning if the school offers it. If I want my kids in school for a full normal day, that I'm...

Biggest bullshit ever. Every school in Europe is open, US with its TDS is the only country pulling this shit. May withhold state taxes until this is resolved.

Got an email from the private school ive been sending my 3rd grader to for summer camp. Basically it says that they’ll start school as usual in September, masks for the teachers, other precautions, but they would have school in person as usual. They alluded to a legal defense fund. I believe this means they intend to file a lawsuit against the state if the state tries to shut them down to comply with Newscum’s irrational unconstitutional order. And they will fight rather than roll over. They really have no choice as do gyms across the state, many of which are also choosing to defy the Governor. If they comply they are done forever. If they fight and resist at least they have a chance.

That’s the situation that Democrats have put us into. If we want to do virtuous things like give our children a good education, we have to break the law. That means that the law isn’t virtuous or moral, so good people have to defy it if they want to continue being good people.

Think about that a while and see which side of the line you fall. You might be working for SATAN!!!

mell says

withhold state taxes

Please keep us informed on how that goes if you go in Tax Strike.

BTW, I was asking to gauge opinion what parents think. Not to insinuate one way or the other. Because, one of the few rational things I heard on MSM this week, was that parents' attitudes on their kids going back to school is an under-appreciated issue for the impact on the upcoming election.

As most parents will be most passionate about what's best for their kids, that sounded logical to me.

Then you guys read too much into it.

krc says

If online "was" successful

I will be the most happy camper around with this option for my kids. That will saves us lot of time to be more productive to learn things than only to go with the slowest in the class. This will also help to hire the best teachers for the state or nation and get rid of "district", "neighborhood school" concept as part of the optimizing the communities. People get freedom to move wherever they want instead still get the best education.

I'd imagine Banks and RE co will go against if that is going to happen.

B.A.C.A.H. says

mell says

withhold state taxes

Please keep us informed on how that goes if you go in Tax Strike.

BTW, I was asking to gauge opinion what parents think. Not to insinuate one way or the other. Because, one of the few rational things I heard on MSM this week, was that parents' attitudes on their kids going back to school is an under-appreciated issue for the impact on the upcoming election.

As most parents will be most passionate about what's best for their kids, that sounded logical to me.

Then you guys read too much into it.

Actually I filed my taxes on time and proposed a plan before they started pulling this bs of not reopening schools but I assume nobody is working right now due to ZOMG!Covid! - I did automatic installment payments but not a single one has been processed yet. The online accounts are not really working and no balance is displayed so while I got the receipt for the delivery of the filing nothing has been processed. My guess is hardly anybody is working at the tax centers due to Covid and out of those who owe maybe 20% have filed taxes so far if not fewer. I see a dramatic budget shortfall coming as pretty much everyone will go with the Covid excuse.

Blue says

krc says

If online "was" successful

I will be the most happy camper around with this option for my kids. That will saves us lot of time to be more productive to learn things than only to go with the slowest in the class. This will also help to hire the best teachers for the state or nation and get rid of "district", "neighborhood school" concept as part of the optimizing the communities. People get freedom to move wherever they want instead still get the best education.

I'd imagine Banks and RE co will go against if that is going to happen.

It's a good argument for homeschooling, but I assume only 20% of kids or less are fit for online learning, for most it will be a disaster and they won't learn squat, so a bit less than in public schools.

Blue says

krc says

If online "was" successful

I will be the most happy camper around with this option for my kids. That will saves us lot of time to be more productive to learn things than only to go with the slowest in the class. This will also help to hire the best teachers for the state or nation and get rid of "district", "neighborhood school" concept as part of the optimizing the communities. People get freedom to move wherever they want instead still get the best education.

I'd imagine Banks and RE co will go against if that is going to happen.

Agree and have commented similarly. But there is no way they will create an effective online remote learning education program. That is anathema to the unions. Otherwise, as I noted earlier, let's get rid of half the teachers or even more.

Blue says

I will be the most happy camper around with this option for my kids. That will saves us lot of time to be more productive to learn things than only to go with the slowest in the class. This will also help to hire the best teachers for the state or nation and get rid of "district", "neighborhood school" concept as part of the optimizing the communities. People get freedom to move wherever they want instead still get the best education.

I like the freedom idea myself. We like to travel and kids could still do work on a vacation if we have solid internet connection. But K-5 it's going to be a disaster for districts doing only remote learning this fall.

Then there's the parents that beat the shit out of their kids even when they're in school. Now those people need to assist with the teaching and there's no possible teacher to report abuse? lol. Then there's needing people to watch your kids while you work. Perfect scenario for pedo's.

We've always had the choice to home school, so that option has always been there. We generally don't have the option to miss tax payments, yet now a service is being removed, but we still pay for it. That portion of my tax bill should be removed or at least a large percentage.