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Berkeley moves toward using unarmed city workers for traffic stops instead of police


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2020 Jul 17, 8:28am   1,409 views  30 comments

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After hours of emotional public testimony and a middle-of-the-night vote by Berkeley leaders, the progressive California city is moving forward with a novel proposal to replace police with unarmed civilians during traffic stops in a bid to curtail racial profiling.

The City Council early Wednesday approved a police reform proposal that calls for a public committee to hash out details of a new Berkeley Police Department that would not respond to calls involving people experiencing homelessness or mental illness. The committee also would pursue creating a separate department to handle transportation planning and enforcing parking and traffic laws.

The council voted for the committee to find ways to eventually cut the Police Department’s budget by half and approved an analysis of police calls and spending.

A tired but excited Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguin said he doesn’t expect a new transportation department overnight because conversations will be hard and detailed with complicated logistics to figure out. But he said communities of color in his city feel targeted by police and that needs to change.

“There may be situations where police do need to intervene, and so we need to look at all that,” he said. “We need to look at if we do move traffic enforcement out of the Police Department, what does that relationship look like and how will police officers work in coordination with unarmed traffic enforcement personnel?”

It’s believed the plan to separate traffic enforcement from police is the first of its kind in the U.S. and comes as many cities seek broad public safety reforms, including reducing law enforcement budgets, following the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police. Fans of the proposal cheered its passage even as some called for greater cuts to police.

It could take months, even years, to create a new department, but police and other law enforcement experts rebuked the idea as dangerous, not only for traffic safety but for the people tasked with pulling over drivers, who they say can be dangerous.

“I think what Berkeley is doing is nuts,” said Mark Cronin, a director with the Los Angeles Police Protective League, a union for officers. “I think it’s a big social experiment. I think it’s going to fail and it’s not going to take long for, unfortunately, traffic collisions, fatalities to increase exponentially.”

Cronin, a former traffic officer, said cities can’t rely on unattended traffic signals or camera lights to catch bad drivers and that people are needed to educate motorists on safe driving. But those people also need backup and the authority to arrest should they encounter a driver who is intoxicated, armed and fleeing a crime, or wanted on other charges.

“Traffic stops are one of the most unpredictable and therefore dangerous duties of law enforcement. There is no such thing as a routine traffic stop and to perform them effectively and safely takes months of police training in and outside of an academy,” said Frank Merenda, a former New York City Police Department captain who is an assistant professor of criminal justice at Marist College.


https://ktla.com/news/california/berkeley-moves-toward-using-unarmed-city-workers-for-traffic-stops-instead-of-police/

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1   🎂 RWSGFY   2020 Jul 17, 8:29am  

#idiocracy
2   Karloff   2020 Jul 17, 8:34am  

#whatcouldpossiblygowrong
3   🎂 RWSGFY   2020 Jul 17, 8:35am  

Comment from a LEO on another forum:

"Or what if...

The car is stolen
The driver has a felony warrant
The driver is a felon carrying a loaded gun

I got one or a combination of all three at least once a week when I was on patrol and I wasn't even trying."
4   🎂 RWSGFY   2020 Jul 17, 8:36am  

"Unarmed Professional (UP): Howdy, sir! License and registration please.

Friendly Citizen (FC): F you!

UP: That’s not a nice way to speak, sir: Lic and regis please.

FC: Don’t touch me or I’ll f you up.

UP: Sir! Please be civil about this!

FC: I’m about to f you up. FC chases UP around the car

UP: Help! Somebody call the police!"
5   georgeliberte   2020 Jul 17, 9:02am  

Not a job I want
6   georgeliberte   2020 Jul 17, 9:04am  

One toke over the line sweet Jesus
7   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jul 17, 10:22am  

But Felons that has sworn they'll never go back to jail, will still be getting pulled over, only to blow the face off the traffic official pulling them over, as soon as they approach the car.

Community Service?
8   Misc   2020 Jul 17, 11:04am  

It's simply a jobs program for Gender Studies and Race Studies majors. Any employer who sees those on a job application tosses them.
9   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2020 Jul 17, 11:15am  

Hahaha

Take off license plates, cover vin, wear a mask. No traffic tickets ever again. Lol!

So stupid.
10   Ceffer   2020 Jul 17, 11:20am  

Berkeley IHLs with belts laden with heads, expressions twisted in agonized death. Who could monitor traffic better than them?
11   HeadSet   2020 Jul 17, 11:22am  

Fortwaynemobile says
Hahaha

Take off license plates, cover vin, wear a mask. No traffic tickets ever again. Lol!

So stupid.


Here in VA, I believe they stopped giving speeding tickets on the Interstates. I say this because there has been a big surge in cars weaving in and out of traffic passing me like I am standing still and I have the cruise set on 70.
12   Shaman   2020 Jul 17, 11:37am  

HeadSet says
I have the cruise set on 70.


What’s wrong with your car that you’re driving so slow? 😝
13   Karloff   2020 Jul 17, 11:55am  

"Simon Phoenix, you are under arrest!"
14   EBGuy   2020 Jul 17, 1:02pm  

You guys might think differently if you knew what the starting pay was for a police officer out here. Anyone want to take a guess?
15   Onvacation   2020 Jul 17, 1:29pm  

EBGuy says
You guys might think differently if you knew what the starting pay was for a police officer out here. Anyone want to take a guess?


Average base salary

8 salaries reported, updated at Apr 23, 2019
$115,410
per year
The average salary for a police officer is $115,410 per year in Berkeley, CA.
113% higher than national average
16   EBGuy   2020 Jul 17, 1:52pm  

Starting salary for a police officer in Berkeley (after completing POST training) is $94.5k. All officers have a four year college degree. Classic CalPERS officers get 3% at 50 (or 55). New hires are 2.7% at 57 years old.
17   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jul 17, 4:04pm  

So on an episode of lIve PD a couple years ago, a cop stopped a car in Arizona for a moving violation. Because of interactions with the occupants, he called for backup. Once backup arrived and probably cause was determined, he pulled each occupant out. There were six guns in the trunk.

I have zero doubt that cop saved at least a life or two. I turned to my wife and told her that officer just earned his entire years salary on that one stop.

The “what could go wrong” comment above is absolutely correct. My real hope is that politicians enacting stupid laws like this can be held personally financially responsible in lawsuits after people die.
18   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 17, 7:22pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
episode of lIve PD a couple years ago


Racist show that has been cancelled. How dare you to even bring it up!
19   theoakman   2020 Jul 17, 7:37pm  

Live PD was a great show. I'm so disappointed in the gutless TV execs. Half of the time, they were dealing with white trash.
20   HeadSet   2020 Jul 18, 6:54am  

Onvacation says
EBGuy says
You guys might think differently if you knew what the starting pay was for a police officer out here. Anyone want to take a guess?


Average base salary

8 salaries reported, updated at Apr 23, 2019
$115,410
per year
The average salary for a police officer is $115,410 per year in Berkeley, CA.
113% higher than national average



So is it possible that the "Defund the Police" movement is actually a politically correct way for the municipalities to get out of their bloated police salaries and police retirement payments? After all, a Minneapolis suburb disbanded its police force for budget reasons in 2015, long before and "BLM."
21   georgeliberte   2020 Jul 18, 7:04am  

No laws, no crime! QED.
22   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jul 18, 8:10am  

Why do all of you think $115k for a cop in Berkley is an overpay?

I’ll agree with you on the issue of retirement for cops...totally out of control. But the pay level seems average at best for such a high COL area...
23   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 19, 9:06am  



More fun in CA!
24   Hircus   2020 Jul 19, 3:44pm  

Using unarmed ticket peddlers for traffic stops will achieve the specific goal they seek: statistics that show "less people were shot by traffic stops per yr". It will easily accomplish that. And they will put that stat on victory signs, thrusting them high into the air to tout their liberal superiority.

The other statistics that they will start hiding though, is that this new policy will also result in fewer deadly criminals being apprehended, because they will just run from the ticket peddler, or maybe even just kill them so they don't sound the alarm. This will also result in more violence and deaths for innocent citizens, because these thugs will stay on the street for much longer under the new system, and so will continue on their high crime-per-month normalcy for more months before being apprehended.

I bet it's also expensive, because now you need more employees to achieve the same coverage, when in the past, a cop could serve double duty quite well, writing tickets in their down time between more serious events.

This is caving to the rage mob. Giving them what they want, and the hiding the bad effects to help ensure reelection.
25   BayArea   2020 Jul 19, 3:57pm  

just_adhom_preaching says


More fun in CA!


Where can I find a link to this video directly @Patrick
26   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jul 19, 4:52pm  

BayArea says
Where can I find a link to this video directly @Patrick


I originally pulled it from Gab or Twitter
Here's the link on Patrick

https://patrick.net/uploads/6/0/9/6098b11957b8a23ff78136b0fed9a57e.mp4

What gets me with that video, is the creator didn't do anything but add an uncanny sound track.
The Keystone Cop's wobble the cops are sporting, is all them no editing.
27   Patrick   2020 Jul 19, 5:11pm  

Yes, thanks @Tenpoundbass, that's the direct link.
28   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jul 19, 5:40pm  

It says 403 Forbidden
29   Patrick   2020 Jul 19, 6:17pm  

Actually, yes, I forgot, you need to set the referer to patrick.net to have the link work.

You can always just point people directly at https://patrick.net/post/1333921?offset=0#comment-1689185 though.
30   BayArea   2020 Jul 19, 6:50pm  

The last time I sent a patnet link out to some buddies, they were logged into my patnet account.

Has that been resolved?

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