patrick.net
An Antidote to Corporate Media
1,199,699 comments by 14,172 users - rocketjoe79 online now
Let's all be honest, there's a reason Public transportation sucks, when it could be a pleasant experience
invite response
2020 Jun 12, 12:18pm 2,713 views 97 comments
« First « Previous Comments 76 - 97 of 97 Search these comments
76
just_passing_through
2020 Jun 18, 7:44pm
just_passing_through
2020 Jun 18, 7:44pm
Tenpoundbass says
Slits were real physical experiments. I encourage you to read up on this stuff more. Maybe too late for a career but you're edgy and those are the guys who make breakthroughs.
I got a kick out of a comment you made a couple years ago or so: Something about the oceans won't rise due to glacier melt because the extra weight causes the water to sink in and be absorbed by the continents or something. Maybe even the source of waterfalls, etc.,? I thought the first part is plausible and I hadn't heard anyone consider that before. The latter is a noooo! haha
Actually, if it were a low water fall maybe.
I would be a tee totaler Flat Earther before I would believe in the Simulation Experiment.
Slits were real physical experiments. I encourage you to read up on this stuff more. Maybe too late for a career but you're edgy and those are the guys who make breakthroughs.
I got a kick out of a comment you made a couple years ago or so: Something about the oceans won't rise due to glacier melt because the extra weight causes the water to sink in and be absorbed by the continents or something. Maybe even the source of waterfalls, etc.,? I thought the first part is plausible and I hadn't heard anyone consider that before. The latter is a noooo! haha
Actually, if it were a low water fall maybe.
77
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 18, 8:14pm
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 18, 8:14pm
just_dregalicious says
Yes there's a 33ish thousand feet correlational between the deepest the Ocean can physically get, and the highest mountains can get.
Have you ever seen fresh water Springs bubble up from the ground. Or have you ever been up mountains and see the rocks secreting a constant trickles of water, that collect to form little streams, then connect into creeks then eventually feed Rivers? I always saw that in the Blue Ridge mountains, and saw it in the Andes mountains. The leaks are coming from cracks in the rocks, not from the top, which would be what you would expect with condensation or precipitation. The water the rivers feed the ocean is equal to the waters that percolate and create all of the rivers feeding into the ocean. No sea level rise.
I got a kick out of a comment you made a couple years ago or so: Something about the oceans won't rise due to glacier melt because the extra weight causes the water to sink in and be absorbed by the continents or something. Maybe even the source of waterfalls, etc.,? I thought the first part is plausible and I hadn't heard anyone consider that before. The latter is a noooo! haha
Yes there's a 33ish thousand feet correlational between the deepest the Ocean can physically get, and the highest mountains can get.
Have you ever seen fresh water Springs bubble up from the ground. Or have you ever been up mountains and see the rocks secreting a constant trickles of water, that collect to form little streams, then connect into creeks then eventually feed Rivers? I always saw that in the Blue Ridge mountains, and saw it in the Andes mountains. The leaks are coming from cracks in the rocks, not from the top, which would be what you would expect with condensation or precipitation. The water the rivers feed the ocean is equal to the waters that percolate and create all of the rivers feeding into the ocean. No sea level rise.
78
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 18, 8:17pm
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 18, 8:17pm
just_dregalicious says
I didn't have a problem with the slit experiment, I've seen it before. I was commenting on the Simulation theory, that we're all living in a Sims.
That's just poppy cock I wouldn't take any more serious than Flat Earth nonsense. That's what gets me about Atheists, They refuse to believe in a higher power, but they would totally be all in on Simulation theory. Or some other lazy thought process to be the stopgap where Science can't explain any further.
Slits were real physical experiments.
I didn't have a problem with the slit experiment, I've seen it before. I was commenting on the Simulation theory, that we're all living in a Sims.
That's just poppy cock I wouldn't take any more serious than Flat Earth nonsense. That's what gets me about Atheists, They refuse to believe in a higher power, but they would totally be all in on Simulation theory. Or some other lazy thought process to be the stopgap where Science can't explain any further.
79
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 18, 8:41pm
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 18, 8:41pm
So the Double Slit experiment doesn't prove light is waves. It only proves that light refracts and creates ripples. Water does that but it isn't a wave it's a state of particles.
If you poured water through those slits, it would run down and trickle through the slits, then if it were possible to observe how the water was interacting once the water dripped to the bottom of the box, you would see the ripples on bottom. When you apply filters to optics, you don't see that light spectrum or everything you would see would be awash. You see the light bouncing off the object it illuminated. The observable wavelengths of light, are waves created from lighting hitting an object. \
I still believe that light travels in an undiscovered state until it hits something and the photons interact and create light waves we see. Like not being able to see water, but being able to see when something is wet.
If you poured water through those slits, it would run down and trickle through the slits, then if it were possible to observe how the water was interacting once the water dripped to the bottom of the box, you would see the ripples on bottom. When you apply filters to optics, you don't see that light spectrum or everything you would see would be awash. You see the light bouncing off the object it illuminated. The observable wavelengths of light, are waves created from lighting hitting an object. \
I still believe that light travels in an undiscovered state until it hits something and the photons interact and create light waves we see. Like not being able to see water, but being able to see when something is wet.
80
just_passing_through
2020 Jun 18, 9:12pm
just_passing_through
2020 Jun 18, 9:12pm
Tenpoundbass says
Indeed, grew up at the foot of the Texas Hill Country. A limestone sponge that soaks up the rain called the Edwards Aquifer. I knew secret swimming holes where fresh water sprang up you could drink without a filter. But in other places I could imagine the land soaking the water up like a sponge. It was only a few years ago we discovered there is likely more biomass underground than above it. That could be an active pump so to speak if I were being imaginative.
Tenpoundbass says
I see, yeah, sims have a lot to show, but fun to consider.
Tenpoundbass says
Well, I'm no physicist so touché. My understanding from physicists is they are suggesting all of reality (the way we see it) doesn't even really exist until some consciousness observes it which collapses a wave function. Kind of like that, "Does a bear take a crap...", wait no, "If a tree falls in a forest and nobody was there to see it did it make a sound?" - no if 'no consciousness' was there to observe it then it didn't even fall yet. It's potentiality would be there in a wave function that collapses when observed. Deep shit.
I'm no atheist, I'm agnostic. Who the fuck knows but I'll tell you this: The more I learn about science the more it seems there is some higher level of control. It might be someone playing a video game though.
Have you ever seen fresh water Springs bubble up from the ground.
Indeed, grew up at the foot of the Texas Hill Country. A limestone sponge that soaks up the rain called the Edwards Aquifer. I knew secret swimming holes where fresh water sprang up you could drink without a filter. But in other places I could imagine the land soaking the water up like a sponge. It was only a few years ago we discovered there is likely more biomass underground than above it. That could be an active pump so to speak if I were being imaginative.
Tenpoundbass says
I was commenting on the Simulation theory, that we're all living in a Sims.
I see, yeah, sims have a lot to show, but fun to consider.
Tenpoundbass says
So the Double Slit experiment doesn't prove light is waves.
Well, I'm no physicist so touché. My understanding from physicists is they are suggesting all of reality (the way we see it) doesn't even really exist until some consciousness observes it which collapses a wave function. Kind of like that, "Does a bear take a crap...", wait no, "If a tree falls in a forest and nobody was there to see it did it make a sound?" - no if 'no consciousness' was there to observe it then it didn't even fall yet. It's potentiality would be there in a wave function that collapses when observed. Deep shit.
I'm no atheist, I'm agnostic. Who the fuck knows but I'll tell you this: The more I learn about science the more it seems there is some higher level of control. It might be someone playing a video game though.
81
MAGA
2020 Jun 18, 10:22pm
MAGA
2020 Jun 18, 10:22pm
Its been scientifically proven that white women like the 'black snake.'
82
Ceffer
2020 Jun 18, 10:46pm
Ceffer
2020 Jun 18, 10:46pm
There are challenges to the standard evolutionary models, though they don't come from religion, they come from mathematics.
Some mathematicians don't believe life's low probability incidence and variation can be explained by 3 billion years of evolution. Much vaster time scales would have been required if life rose on Earth alone. They see evolution as a special case to explain variations over relatively short times. Darwin wasn't wrong, he was just looking at special situations from which the entirety of life and evolution could not be properly inferred.
At least I think that is how it goes more or less. These mathematicians seem to be quite serious about it. They, however, don't know what principle or mover stirred the pot to accelerate or catalyze matters.
Some mathematicians don't believe life's low probability incidence and variation can be explained by 3 billion years of evolution. Much vaster time scales would have been required if life rose on Earth alone. They see evolution as a special case to explain variations over relatively short times. Darwin wasn't wrong, he was just looking at special situations from which the entirety of life and evolution could not be properly inferred.
At least I think that is how it goes more or less. These mathematicians seem to be quite serious about it. They, however, don't know what principle or mover stirred the pot to accelerate or catalyze matters.
83
mostly_reader
2020 Jun 18, 11:27pm
> Ceffer
Darwin wasn't wrong, just incomplete. He never claimed to be complete either AFAIK.
Darwin wasn't wrong, just incomplete. He never claimed to be complete either AFAIK.
84
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 19, 4:40am
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 19, 4:40am
just_dregalicious says
Which “Judeo-Christian” values do the chimps demonstrate here? Looks more like rival gangs and winner takes all. That is the exact opposite of values one would find in a moral, respect ones elders society of Judeo-Christian values.
www.youtube.com/embed/c2u3NKXbGeo
https://youtu.be/4XP6T1CMgBQ
Come to think of it, there is not much of a judeo-Christian influence in mainstream anymore either. Just look around. The extremists are tearing down every single statue, deplatforming voices that don’t support the anti-judeo-Christian narrative, and labeling/marginalizing anyone who truly with an open heart studies, understands and believes actual New and Old Testament scriptures (the foundation of Judeo-Christian values). People who legitimately live Judeo-Christian values are worse than villains in this world. I know, because that is how some here have treated me. They cannot tolerate a discussion or revelation or even a testimony from someone who might know something about God they never considered. In fact they are too proud to admit they have decided to ignore God and His word because it is not convenient to give up their sin and try to live more like Jesus. They are the worst kind of bigots, because they are convinced that their bigotry is righteous.
similar morality if chimp culture
Which “Judeo-Christian” values do the chimps demonstrate here? Looks more like rival gangs and winner takes all. That is the exact opposite of values one would find in a moral, respect ones elders society of Judeo-Christian values.
www.youtube.com/embed/c2u3NKXbGeo
https://youtu.be/4XP6T1CMgBQ
Come to think of it, there is not much of a judeo-Christian influence in mainstream anymore either. Just look around. The extremists are tearing down every single statue, deplatforming voices that don’t support the anti-judeo-Christian narrative, and labeling/marginalizing anyone who truly with an open heart studies, understands and believes actual New and Old Testament scriptures (the foundation of Judeo-Christian values). People who legitimately live Judeo-Christian values are worse than villains in this world. I know, because that is how some here have treated me. They cannot tolerate a discussion or revelation or even a testimony from someone who might know something about God they never considered. In fact they are too proud to admit they have decided to ignore God and His word because it is not convenient to give up their sin and try to live more like Jesus. They are the worst kind of bigots, because they are convinced that their bigotry is righteous.
85
just_passing_through
2020 Jun 19, 9:34am
just_passing_through
2020 Jun 19, 9:34am
Ceffer says
Yeah, I've seen those guys and you took the words right out of my mouth. One of them is a religious freak though. Not your normal run of the mill normal religious person but one of those weirdos claims he knows what god thinks and believes the bible verbatim. A zealot. The type that uses the word 'fact' when speaking about said religion. Maybe they're carrying around a serpent or two. Those are the kind of people who I don't want to know what they're up to when nobody else is around if you know what I mean.
They, however, don't know what principle or mover stirred the pot to accelerate or catalyze matters.
Yeah, I've seen those guys and you took the words right out of my mouth. One of them is a religious freak though. Not your normal run of the mill normal religious person but one of those weirdos claims he knows what god thinks and believes the bible verbatim. A zealot. The type that uses the word 'fact' when speaking about said religion. Maybe they're carrying around a serpent or two. Those are the kind of people who I don't want to know what they're up to when nobody else is around if you know what I mean.
86
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 19, 11:07am
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 19, 11:07am
William Penn Quotations
"There is a zeal without knowledge, that is superstition. There is a zeal against knowledge, that is interest or faction; there is a zeal with knowledge, that is religion; and if you will view the countries of cruelty, you will find them superstitious rather than religious. Religion is gentle, it makes men better, more friendly, loving and patient than before."
"No people can be truly happy, though under the greatest enjoyments of civil liberties, if abridged of the Freedom of their Conscience as to their Religious Profession and Worship." (Pennsylvania Charter of Liberties, 1701)
"If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants."
"There is a zeal without knowledge, that is superstition. There is a zeal against knowledge, that is interest or faction; there is a zeal with knowledge, that is religion; and if you will view the countries of cruelty, you will find them superstitious rather than religious. Religion is gentle, it makes men better, more friendly, loving and patient than before."
"No people can be truly happy, though under the greatest enjoyments of civil liberties, if abridged of the Freedom of their Conscience as to their Religious Profession and Worship." (Pennsylvania Charter of Liberties, 1701)
"If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants."
87
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 19, 2:24pm
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 19, 2:24pm
mostly_reader says
William Provine, a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the distinguished Cornell University, commented on Darwin’s position on morals as they relate to evolution. Eleven years ago, Provine delivered the keynote address at the second annual Darwin Day on the campus of the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. In an abstract of that speech, on UT’s Darwin Day Web site, Provine’s introductory comments are recorded in the following words: “Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent” (1998, emp. added).
Carefully notice the underlying effects of such assertions. If there is no God, as Darwin admitted evolution implies, then humans are not bound by any moral standard other than the instincts that each human desires to follow. Thus, if one person considers it best to beat his children, while another considers it best to lovingly nurture his children, according to evolution, both would be acting in accord with their evolutionary origins, and neither would be guilty of any real, moral right or wrong. Heinously immoral actions, such as infanticide, rape, murder, sexual promiscuity, pedophilia, homosexuality, adultery, and abortion, have all found justification in Darwin’s theory. Darwin’s theory implies that humans can act like animals without any moral responsibility.
Provine, William (1998), “Evolution: Free Will and Punishment and Meaning in Life,”
Darwin wasn't wrong, just incomplete.
William Provine, a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the distinguished Cornell University, commented on Darwin’s position on morals as they relate to evolution. Eleven years ago, Provine delivered the keynote address at the second annual Darwin Day on the campus of the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. In an abstract of that speech, on UT’s Darwin Day Web site, Provine’s introductory comments are recorded in the following words: “Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent” (1998, emp. added).
Carefully notice the underlying effects of such assertions. If there is no God, as Darwin admitted evolution implies, then humans are not bound by any moral standard other than the instincts that each human desires to follow. Thus, if one person considers it best to beat his children, while another considers it best to lovingly nurture his children, according to evolution, both would be acting in accord with their evolutionary origins, and neither would be guilty of any real, moral right or wrong. Heinously immoral actions, such as infanticide, rape, murder, sexual promiscuity, pedophilia, homosexuality, adultery, and abortion, have all found justification in Darwin’s theory. Darwin’s theory implies that humans can act like animals without any moral responsibility.
Provine, William (1998), “Evolution: Free Will and Punishment and Meaning in Life,”
88
Ceffer
2020 Jun 19, 10:18pm
Ceffer
2020 Jun 19, 10:18pm
just_dregalicious says
Yes, I saw the drift toward theism. However, if the mathematical models are true and can be validated over time and skepticism, there could be other explanations such as panspermia, or even guided evolution by aliens at some point in human history or the 'life as alien lab rat' theory.
The mathematical theory would require a 'catalyst theory' to supplement it, and certainly many would simply choose traditional religion of some sort to fill the gap. However, the religious angle doesn't have to be the only angle.
One of them is a religious freak though. Not your normal run of the mill normal religious person but one of those weirdos claims he knows what god thinks and believes the bible verbatim. A zealot
Yes, I saw the drift toward theism. However, if the mathematical models are true and can be validated over time and skepticism, there could be other explanations such as panspermia, or even guided evolution by aliens at some point in human history or the 'life as alien lab rat' theory.
The mathematical theory would require a 'catalyst theory' to supplement it, and certainly many would simply choose traditional religion of some sort to fill the gap. However, the religious angle doesn't have to be the only angle.
89
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 20, 5:53am
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 20, 5:53am
Ceffer says
Well slap me silly and call me a scruffy looking nerf herder!!
Ah yes, the midichlorian and ancient alien origins hypotheses.
https://www.starwars.com/news/so-what-the-heck-are-midi-chlorians
When people resort to creating a new mythology every few years to support their world view, what does that say about their world view?
God is an extraterrestrial of sorts so at least this hypothesis is consistent with evidence.
.just_dregalicious says
God’s word spoke the world into existence, a wise person will take heed to this and give it special attention.
Mark 13:31 ESV
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Psalm 119:89 ESV / 42 helpful votes
Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
John 1:1-14:31 ESV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Psalm 119:105 English Standard Version (ESV)
Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.
there could be other explanations such as panspermia, or even guided evolution by aliens at some point in human history
Well slap me silly and call me a scruffy looking nerf herder!!
Ah yes, the midichlorian and ancient alien origins hypotheses.
https://www.starwars.com/news/so-what-the-heck-are-midi-chlorians
When people resort to creating a new mythology every few years to support their world view, what does that say about their world view?
God is an extraterrestrial of sorts so at least this hypothesis is consistent with evidence.
.just_dregalicious says
believes the bible verbatim
God’s word spoke the world into existence, a wise person will take heed to this and give it special attention.
Mark 13:31 ESV
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Psalm 119:89 ESV / 42 helpful votes
Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
John 1:1-14:31 ESV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Psalm 119:105 English Standard Version (ESV)
Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.
90
Patrick
2020 Jun 20, 11:03am
Patrick
2020 Jun 20, 11:03am
PeopleUnited says
Read Ezekiel. Definitely sounds like aliens coming down on a rocket ship and some kind of lander thing rolling around.
ancient alien
Read Ezekiel. Definitely sounds like aliens coming down on a rocket ship and some kind of lander thing rolling around.
92
Ceffer
2020 Jun 20, 11:18am
Ceffer
2020 Jun 20, 11:18am
It doesn't have to be aliens OR God. It could simply be an as yet undiscovered property of nature or physics that trends toward more rapidly evolving organized forms, perhaps jellies which are antennae to the universe.
93
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 20, 2:18pm
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 20, 2:18pm
Patrick says
Good example. Definitely extraterrestrials. Sounds a lot like charabim or the seraphim guarding the throne of God. In chapter 2, God speaks to Zeke.
PeopleUnited saysancient alien
Read Ezekiel. Definitely sounds like aliens coming down on a rocket ship and some kind of lander thing rolling around.
Good example. Definitely extraterrestrials. Sounds a lot like charabim or the seraphim guarding the throne of God. In chapter 2, God speaks to Zeke.
94
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 20, 2:19pm
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 20, 2:19pm
Ceffer says
It doesn't have to be aliens OR God. It could simply be an as yet undiscovered property of nature or physics that trends toward more rapidly evolving organized forms, perhaps jellies which are antennae to the universe.PeopleUnited says
When people resort to creating a new mythology every few years to support their world view, what does that say about their world view?
95
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 20, 5:49pm
Tenpoundbass
2020 Jun 20, 5:49pm
Ceffer says
Ooh Blob and Ghostly Aliens, I always liked those in Star Trek, because it took Theremin musak to sell it.
Kind of the way Steven Spielberg always sold natural phenomena with a fog machine and blue light.
You can't create that kind of campy cheesy genuineness in special effects using 3D animation.
It doesn't have to be aliens OR God. It could simply be an as yet undiscovered property of nature or physics that trends toward more rapidly evolving organized forms, perhaps jellies which are antennae to the universe.
Ooh Blob and Ghostly Aliens, I always liked those in Star Trek, because it took Theremin musak to sell it.
Kind of the way Steven Spielberg always sold natural phenomena with a fog machine and blue light.
You can't create that kind of campy cheesy genuineness in special effects using 3D animation.
96
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 21, 5:38am
PeopleUnited
2020 Jun 21, 5:38am
Star Trek predicted iPads, flip phones, and computerized voice recording, and you are right about using musak to sell the supernatural, it works! For the good of the body...
www.youtube.com/embed/nZMuBIJxmnA
https://youtu.be/1AkWWYtCjpo
https://youtu.be/ILL9L4bc6yQ
Good times, but alas it is merely a distraction from the reality that we are living in the last days.
2 Timothy 3 New Life Version (NLV)
1 You must understand that in the last days there will come times of much trouble. 2 People will love themselves and money. They will have pride and tell of all the things they have done. They will speak against God. Children and young people will not obey their parents. People will not be thankful and they will not be holy. 3 They will not love each other. No one can get along with them. They will tell lies about others. They will not be able to keep from doing things they know they should not do. They will be wild and want to beat and hurt those who are good. 4 They will not stay true to their friends. They will act without thinking. They will think too much of themselves. They will love fun instead of loving God.
www.youtube.com/embed/nZMuBIJxmnA
https://youtu.be/1AkWWYtCjpo
https://youtu.be/ILL9L4bc6yQ
Good times, but alas it is merely a distraction from the reality that we are living in the last days.
2 Timothy 3 New Life Version (NLV)
1 You must understand that in the last days there will come times of much trouble. 2 People will love themselves and money. They will have pride and tell of all the things they have done. They will speak against God. Children and young people will not obey their parents. People will not be thankful and they will not be holy. 3 They will not love each other. No one can get along with them. They will tell lies about others. They will not be able to keep from doing things they know they should not do. They will be wild and want to beat and hurt those who are good. 4 They will not stay true to their friends. They will act without thinking. They will think too much of themselves. They will love fun instead of loving God.
« First « Previous Comments 76 - 97 of 97 Search these comments
But it's because Liberal policies expect and encourage them to.