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Ceffer says

Like everybody else at first, I thought it was weird, then the more I looked into it, it makes sense. That doesn't mean that Denmark doesn't have the right of refusal but it is a matter that could be submitted to ongoing negotiation.

Harry Truman also tried to buy Greenland, and I believe Eisenhower also made overtures.

#HaberdasherManBad

The Trade Deficit with Chy-Na is an enormous problem which is hallowing out America between Kreative Klass overcompensated jobs in Academia, lots of shitty contract work for White Collars, and crappy jobs for everyone else. Manufacturing balances the economy and makes the American Dream possible for everybody (it also creates good paying, permanent White Collar jobs in Engineering, Quality Control as well as far more Blue Collar jobs in Trucking. Also, Truckers are right wing and Longshoremen are Communists).

Ceffer says

Everybody jumped on him about the Greenland thing, but if you just look at the raw facts, he is right: the USA would benefit greatly from acquiring Greenland as a territorial and strategic asset. If support and maintenance of Greenland is burdensome to a small country like Denmark, it might be for sale. Whether Trump's diplomacy is fallible, his thought on the matter isn't. The USA acquired the Louisiana Purchase and Alaska the same way.

Like everybody else at first, I thought it was weird, then the more I looked into it, it makes sense. That doesn't mean that Denmark doesn't have the right of refusal but it is a matter that could be submitted to ongoing negotiation.

Agreed. Trump is a bit similar to former German chancellor Kohl in that respect though overall much more successful. Kohl simply went for the reunion when the situation presented itself and all the lamestreamers and fourth Reich leftoids were screeching and squealing Nazi! and never Germany again! and demanded years if not decades of careful negotiations and planning to even come closer to a possible reunion. Kohl's approach seemed primitive and like an elephant in the China shop but he said fuck it now or never and seized one of the most important moments in German history and made it happen. Had he waited or wavered just a tad bit the opportunity would have been gone. And despite otherwise being an average chancellor with scandals Kohl made history with this one move only, greatly helped by the fact that neither the Russians nor Americans perceived him as a threat or ivory towered towered elitist, but more of a buddy and man of the people. Trump has a similar instinct and drive for opportunities like these and will attempt to seize them all.

Wow, good thing we avoided the dreadful Hillary Dictatorship by electing a man who tells private companies how to do business and basically threatens them because he is a whining little bitch.

As for Greenland, sure, it's not stupid to ask about buying it. but perhaps it should be asked of the residents and Denmark. Greenland has an unusual political status; it is not merely Danish land. How would Trumpturds feel if Britain asked to buy some Flyover state like Tennessee and then got all pissy when Trump said no? What if Britain asked to buy Kansas and Trump said yes without asking Kansas?

Basically, you guys have your heads so far up Donnie's ass that you can't see just how boorish and stupid he is. If he wanted to buy it, he should have approached the deal properly and then not whined like a little bitch when he got rebuffed.

And to think right-wingers used to call Obama a "tyrant".

I'd slap a 100% tarrif on everything entering the US, from everyplace.

Heraclitusstudent says

Shareholders prepare your bucket of Vaseline.

This is a fine example of some seriously short term thinking!

Peter Thiel: "China is an unusually dirty country dirtying up the planet. Trump’s 25% tariffs on China should be reframed as a carbon tax."

Expat01 says

Wow, good thing we avoided the dreadful Hillary Dictatorship

Obama was a piker and Hillary a would be piker, compared to el douchebag de konge af Grønland.


Donald J. Trump
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For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!

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"Mr. Trump has often made drastic threats as a negotiating ploy to force a partner to offer concessions, as when he vowed to close the border with Mexico or impose tariffs on its goods to force action to halt illegal immigration. But if he were to follow through, it would be the most significant break with China since President Richard M. Nixon’s diplomatic opening to Beijing in the early 1970s.

Mr. Trump’s claim that he has the power to order American companies to pull out of China also represents the latest assertion of authority by a president who has repeatedly crossed lines that his predecessors have not. While he came to office criticizing President Barack Obama for exceeding the power of his office, Mr. Trump has gone even further in creative ways to take action on his priorities.

“Any invocation of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act in these circumstances and for these purposes would be an abuse,” said Daniel M. Price, a former international economic adviser to President George W. Bush. “The act is intended to address extraordinary national security threats and true national emergencies, not fits of presidential pique.”

Under the weight of Mr. Trump’s tariff war, China has already fallen from America’s largest trading partner last year to the third largest this year. The United States remains China’s largest trading partner. China said Friday that it would raise tariffs on American goods in retaliation for Mr. Trump’s latest levies and the president vowed hours later to increase tariffs even further."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/world/europe/trump-g7-summit.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Fully support.

Expat01 says

Wow, good thing we avoided the dreadful Hillary Dictatorship by electing a man who tells private companies how to do business and basically threatens them because he is a whining little bitch.

Right, TPP was so much better, where a panel of unelected corporate lawyers, picked by politicians around the globe, Could fine towns in the USA if they, for example, mandated that big box stores close between midnight and 6AM. It also guaranteed a whole dollar a day! Tough Labor protections.

Negotiated in secret, kept in a SCIF, even Congressmen weren't allowed to copy parts of it to study in their office.

The Gold Standard, really.

80% of the Pacific Garbage Patch is Material that's Asian in Origin.

But Macron, Trudeau, and the Enviro Gang only wants US/Canadian cleanup payments and regulations.

"Oh, well China will have voluntary self-regulation and compliance."

Yeah? Look at the Montreal Protocol on CFCs. China, a signatory, is blatantly violating it, and it can't be hidden because the emissions can be detected off it's shores.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/climate/china-ozone-cfcs.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-environment-ozone-idUSKCN1ST0A8

And to think right-wingers used to call Obama a "tyrant".

I always considered him more of an evil weasel.

rdm says

“Any invocation of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act in these circumstances and for these purposes would be an abuse,” said Daniel M. Price, a former international economic adviser to President George W. Bush. “The act is intended to address extraordinary national security threats and true national emergencies, not fits of presidential pique.”

Oh my, a corporate globalist lackey doesn't want it! It goes against the "New World Order"
www.youtube.com/embed/MADYzQstpsU

Merry Christmas, a Democratic Congress gave the President full powers to declare and enforce a National Economic Emergency. Here's the first part:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/95/hr7738/text

SEC. 203. (a) (1) At the times and to the extent specified in section
202, the President may, under such regulations as he may prescribe,
by means of instructions, licenses, or otherwise—
(A) investigate, regulate, or prohibit—
(i) any transactions in foreign exchange,
(ii) transfers of credit or payments between, by, through,
or to any banking institution, to the extent that such transfers
or payments involve any interest of any foreign country or
a national thereof,
(iii) the importing or exporting of currency or securities;
and
(B) investigate, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void,
prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding, withholding, use,
transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation
of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with
respect to, or transactions involving, any property in which any
foreign country or a national thereof has any interest;
by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdic-
tion of the United States.

Person, of course, has already been defined for over a century and a half to include "Fictional persons" aka Corporations. And Property doubly covers it.

I watched a bunch of "fuck china" utube vids last night. It was glorious!

Scott Adams at his best:

www.youtube.com/embed/wE45xJmMGO8

"Fuck you China!" over and over... Shorter than his usual cast as well. Best part starts at ~15:00 until it ends.

just_dregalicious says

evil weasel

That implies intelligence...

just_dregalicious says

And to think right-wingers used to call Obama a "tyrant".

I always considered him more of an evil weasel.

Maybe more of a clueless knee jerk Globalist Donkey Turd.

You act like Trump is your boogeyman.

Liberals forever wanted jobs brought back to US. But because Trump did it, suddenly it’s bad.

jazz_music says

just_dregalicious says

I watched a bunch of "fuck china" utube vids last night. It was glorious!

SUCKER!

You're falling for the bullshit. There's always a boogeyman when the rich people want your money.

They don't want us to talk about standing up to them.

They pay billions now each year to disinform and neutralize us with altered reality news, disarming truth with their phony think tanks and crooked lobbyists. IT'S AN INVESTMENT. IT'S WORTH IT TOO TO STOP TRUTH FROM MATTERING.

China never stole a single job.

I'm only a little bit pregnant.

It's NINETEEN Eighty Six!! The Soviet Union will be around for at least most of our lifetimes. I know, I went to college and I'm educated. We have to get along with Gorbachev! Stop Ronnie Ray-Gun!

jazz_music says

Will Trump start making his merch in America?

No. He's just a clown with a mouth, a cult following, and a hustle.

Kind of like John Edward, psychic.

TDS level 4.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-24/what-globalism-did-was-transfer-us-economy-china-pcr

What Globalism Did Was To Transfer The US Economy To China

The real issue here is China stealing high tech technology. Forcing these companies to keep the tech in country is paramount to long term defense
Chinas military modernization and soon to be regional domination is largely based on forcing American companies to divulge trade secrets in order to do business in China.

USA dominance in hi tech is our one ace in the hole over the world. We give that away as we are doing now, we are fucked 10-20 years out...

Ceffer says

If support and maintenance of Greenland is burdensome to a small country like Denmark, it might be for sale. Whether Trump's diplomacy is fallible, his thought on the matter isn't. The USA acquired the Louisiana Purchase and Alaska the same way.

We need to ask nicely for Greenland, then take it if they refuse.

It's the biggest security asset we could acquire. And as it is now, it's the biggest threat to the US, if left alone. China is itching to get their claws in Greenland and control all infrastructure.

How would Trumpturds feel if Britain asked to buy some Flyover state like Tennessee and then got all pissy when Trump said no? What if Britain asked to buy Kansas and Trump said yes without asking Kansas?

Bad analogy, Trump is not after an integral part of Denmark. A better analogy would be Australia or Japan asking to buy some of our outlying Pacific island territories.

BlueSardine says

The real issue here is China stealing high tech technology.

At this point I think that is right, it is certainly the most important long term issue, we are way past the low level manufacturing jobs that left years ago. I don't think anyone disagrees that China needs to be confronted the question was and is how. In past threads I have noted that the Chinese are extremely good and devious negotiators, that the real negotiations start after the contract is signed. They look long term, not the next news cycle.They cant be trusted. Trump and his team, such as it is are no match, simple as that. Trump is absolutely a terrible negotiator, period.

People can bloviate that we can just take our marbles and go home if they wont bend to the will (through Tariffs) of the chosen one. This totally ignores the current interconnectedness of the world wide supply chain. You can complain about globalism but the fact is we have it and unwinding is neither simple nor without pain.

Tenpoundbass says

We need to ask nicely for Greenland, then take it if they refuse.

It's the biggest security asset we could acquire. And as it is now, it's the biggest threat to the US, if left alone. China is itching to get their claws in Greenland and control all infrastructure.

Could be why Trump is making a point of Greenland. Denmark would require partners to develop it. Trump may be rattling sword that if they do have a 'partner' it better be USA up to and including selling the entire territory, and not global competitors.

If you ask who has the best weather science in the world, most people would say USA, but it is Finland. The Finns and Russians are making plans for the Arctic becoming open water most of the time for shipping transport. Greenland doesn't look like an economic or strategic waste land in that context.

Ceffer says

If you ask who has the best weather science in the world, most people would say USA, but it is Finland. The Finns and Russians are making plans for the Arctic becoming open water most of the time for shipping transport.

The Finns have been the good little bitches for the Russians since the end of WWII. So I doubt they ate going to be a serious player.

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

The Finns have been the good little bitches for the Russians since the end of WWII.

Being on the border, how much of a choice do they have with the Russian bear breathing down their backs?

There is a detective show on Netflix called 'Bordertown' that is kind of fun to watch for being a bit different. It is in a town in Finland near the Russian border. The Russians and Finns seem to go back and forth without too much frisson, but it is clear the Finns regard the Russkis with trepidation as a more violent and amoral species. The Finnish detective often has to explore leads in St. Petersburg, and his side kick is a fearsome female blond former Russian agent.

jazz_music says

SUCKER!

In the mid 90s I realized arguing with Christian Scientists was almost as insane as being one of them because they are fucking crazy. These days so many of the lefties out-crazy them with a generous helping of raycist.

jazz_music says

Lefties who want to avoid more climate related deaths. --not crazy

They should get out of the sun or put on a coat!

I rest my case...

jazz_music says

not these beauty queens you see on Fox

lol. Not exclusive to FOX fyi. Every channel, including local affiliates is all T&A. Find me a female anchor with a B cup and I'll find you 10 more that are bigger. Journalism died with the invention of television. They're selling ads, plain and simple. Ignore the bias' it's all bullshit.

ORDERED? I don't think so.....RECOMMENDED.....probably.

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

Ceffer says

If you ask who has the best weather science in the world, most people would say USA, but it is Finland. The Finns and Russians are making plans for the Arctic becoming open water most of the time for shipping transport.

The Finns have been the good little bitches for the Russians since the end of WWII. So I doubt they ate going to be a serious player.

I heard a Soviet General say that he does not understand why the West sees Finland as an example of subservience. After all, Finland is the only country to defeat the Soviet Union in war. The General pointed out that Soviet tanks had visited Berlin and many other European capitals, and even Peking. But Soviet tanks never visited Helsinki.