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Quigley says

That old conspiracy theory? What’s next? Trump kidnapped the Lindbergh baby?
It is to laugh.

Conspiracy theory? I provided a direct quote for God's sake. What more evidence do you need??

Patrick says

ONLY the left is violent

That's because they're sooo tolerant!

@jazz_music
@Aphroman
@LeonDurham

While I certainly don't have a bone in this fight(haven't voted for years, don't believe in any president making my life better), I have to side with Patrick given that he's listed so many specific incidents showing Trump supporters being assaulted, and the three of you, despite all your comments, seem to have at the most one link that shows Trump supporters assaulting others.

How is this even a debate? Leftist/Democrats created their own "brown shirt" wing called "ANTIFA". Their emblem even looks the same.

jazz_music says

The FBI has identified right wing groups as the number one threat in America for about 22 years now.

During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

We do live in a post-truth country now.

That was from before Trump was elected. Back when he was celebrated by the same people that suffer from TDS now.

Got one incident of "right wing violence" lately?

jazz_music says

As just one example, white supremacists attacked a pair of Middle Eastern men on New Year’s Eve in 2011, punching one victim in the face and head.

I stand corrected. Those white supremists are violent.

Well iwog did play a part in that by calling the kiddie libbie a little shit...
theoakman says

Even Iwog almost got assaulted at a left wing rally at Berkeley because he was white and had a camera

Why don't you repost it without your commentary that got it ejected?
That would be evidence in your favor.
jazz_music says

Patrick deleted that thread, but the links are still on the interne

Aphroman says

Are you familiar with the events surrounding the incident where the Right winger went Conservative Islamic and raced his car into a crowd of Americans, murdering one of them?

I don't associate with and refuse to be lumped together with nazis.

jazz_music says

ANTIFA is not connected to any party or organization.

ANTIFA itself is void of organization and structure.

Can you provide any examples of Antifa protesting or beating the shit out of any Left Wing groups like they do Conservative groups all over the country?

Onvacation says

I don't associate with and refuse to be lumped together with nazis.

You still owe us a Nazi Organization sign up recruitment website, and a real movement where people are meeting and organizing.
Otherwise we all know the KKK, NAZIs are the LARPER division of Antifa the True American Facsit Nazis.

Stop with the bullshit spin everyone sees right through it. NPR was even hitting it hard today describing what we've seen for the last two years from Antifa to the Letter. Yet blaming the Nazis and trying to say that Nazis are Trump voters. Very disgusting and transparently stupid.

I told a 60+ year old Lawyer hag who was yelling at me for liking Trump. Her son was going to get killed one day out there LARPING for George Soros as ANTIFA beating on people like me. What do you think will happen when they call in the guard? Just like the Four Dead in Ohio. I then told her I'm going to be cheering at his funeral.

Her heart dropped she knew exactly what I was saying. She didn't deny her son is an ANTIFA Pawn.

The first side to accuse the other of being Nazis loses the debate by that accusation alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.

jazz_music says

You can side with Patrick because I haven't provided the links to off set his.

Especially after my post got deleted last night.

Repost them here. Seems like the place for a rebuttal with backup.

Think Patrick and others have stated it before. Sometimes I wonder if the left in the US and Europe are being munipulated into pushing the right over the edge.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/08/01/hit-and-run-trump-bumper-sticker-hyannis/

Another data point.

If the left stood up to it's own extremists this wouldn't happen.

CBOEtrader says

If the left stood up to it's own extremists this wouldn't happen.

www.youtube.com/embed/KZJLPjEF_F0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=R1RQ4--u53o

^^ exactly.

Show me the outrage from left towards idiots like this. Instead he gets a standing ovation, and MSM praise.

Yeah, sorry, as long as this is happening noone can pretend the violent leftists are fringe.

What a despicable antifa thug, cowardly pepper-spraying the MAGA girl. Sad.

LeonDurham says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=R1RQ4--u53o

Yep, Trump said "in the old Days... I wish I could."

Dorkbag was suggesting people do so now, in the present day, with no wishes or qualifiers.

Also, the other half is missing - nobody popped anybody in the former, but many attacks after the latter.

Patrick says

The first side to accuse the other of being Nazis loses the debate by that accusation alone.

Donald Trump Jr. likened the Democratic Party’s platform to that of the Nazis during the 1930s during an appearance at a film screening Wednesday night, saying comparisons between the group and conservatives are the product of “wrongly influenced” academia.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/02/donald-trump-jr-democrats-nazis-platform-760569

Joe Biden “They asked me would I like to debate this gentleman, and I said no. I said, ‘If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.’”
I would pay to watch that fight.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-liberals-antifa-violence-20170718-story.html

There have been no right-wing groups storming campuses and flinging feces at speakers we don’t like; no tea party mobs destroying property, assaulting police officers, and paralyzing our major cities; and no Republican senators calling their colleagues murderers just weeks after a political assassination attempt.

From Portland to New Haven to Washington, the violence we’re witnessing is largely a product of the hard left, and the reaction from mainstream liberals — mostly silence, dismissiveness, equivocation — means it will continue to flourish.

To move toward a less violent and hyper-charged society, we must be clearheaded about violence where we see it, and not avoid the subject. We must condemn it without conditions.

If you think Republicans are murderers, you’re an extremist. If you’re trading in that kind of rhetoric just to shut the other side up or raise a buck, you’re giving cover to extremists. And if you object to political violence but fail to speak out, your weakness is causing our society to fracture.

It’s time for liberal America to speak out against violence and the rhetoric that incites it.

I didn't hear Patrick or any right wingers on this forum denounce the right wing hate that triggered the Gabby Giffords shooting. Nor did they want to acknowledge that the guy was obviously affected by right wing hate promoted on talk radio.

Tihs is the way the left discusses such things: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/did-sarah-palin-s-target-map-play-role-in-giffords-shooting/342714/

In fact I've never once heard you guys denounce right wing hate. But I have heard you argue that African Americans deserve their reputation as more violent (hence they deserve hate and fear ). Likewise for Islam. I've heard plenty of arguments in favor of hatred towards Islam.

Now I'm hearing arguments for hating all "leftists" based on the behavior of the most extreme anti right wing people out there.

CBOEtrader says

Yeah, sorry, as long as this is happening noone can pretend the violent leftists are fringe.

Patrick says

It’s time for liberal America to speak out against violence and the rhetoric that incites it.

Look you guys are the ones that have no problem with Trump's deplorable behavior and comments. How often have you denounced his lying, ignorance, violence inciting or low class comments ? YOu're just A-Okay with his deplorable behavior.

So sorry, you don't get to claim that we're giving emotionally challenge idiots on the far left a pass.

That would be like me saying you gave Jared Loughner or Timothy McVeigh a pass, by not denouncing them or the right wing hate that triggered them. Oh wait, I forgot, murder or attempted murder. doesn't count as violence.

It's that spitting and shoving at protests or not allowing Milo to give his talk that really grinds your gears. Not when someone right on this forum tells us how much violence and civil war will ensue if Trump is impeached.

It's quite a contrast to the way 99% of liberals just watched right wingers make a fool of themselves with their pathetic hypocrisy as they impeached Clinton.

marcus says

I didn't hear Patrick or any right wingers on this forum denounce the right wing hate that triggered the Gabby Giffords shooting. Nor did they want to acknowledge that the guy was obviously affected by right wing hate promoted on talk radio.

There was no collective rightwing hate that guy was a whackjob. Just like Dylan Booth.
It's quite different when there's an organized group, and the MSM rallies them on with bullhorns.

Tenpoundbass says

It's quite different when there's an organized group, and the MSM rallies them on with bullhorns.

Is it possible you're referring to ANTIFA ? You think that the typical liberal and or the MSM likes the worst behavior of ANTIFA or encourages it ?

IT's funny how if there was bad behavior from right wingers, you're going to say they were planted by Soros. But if there's any scuffles caused by a group ostensibly protesting fascism or potential fascism, you guys immediately want to say the two guys at the protest that were inciting violence represent all people that are opposed to right wing fascism or authoritarianism.

marcus says

I didn't hear Patrick or any right wingers on this forum denounce the right wing hate that triggered the Gabby Giffords shooting. Nor did they want to acknowledge that the guy was obviously affected by right wing hate promoted on talk radio.

Before the Trump era.

Did you forget about this?

Great Resource:
http://markhumphrys.com/left.right.violence.html

How Leftist Academics flip the numbers by assigning terrorist acts to the right wing. As we all know, the number one tactic is to assign both Islamist attacks and the handful of Anti-Islamic to the Right Wing. That has both Anders Brevik and Mohammed Allen the DC Sniper count as "Right Wing Terrorists." Actually, many "Terror Counts" don't list the DC Snipers at all! Simply saying they are mass murderers, even though Mohammed Allen changed his name to an Islamic one and quoted the Quran in his diaries frequently, and admired OBL.

Or, have registered Democrats who voted Obama, think Bush did 9/11, and that Islam is being repressed, labelled as mentally ill instead of Left Wing Terrorists.

The better metric is to separate Islamic Terrorism from all Other Causes, but since Islamic Terrorism is far and away the #1 most frequent cause of Terrorism, this method, while the most convenient and informative, is disliked by the Left.

Ted Nugent’s repeated calls for Obama’s death didn’t stop Trump from hosting him at the White House


www.youtube.com/embed/msDcShv_r20

This embarrasses none of you in the slightest. It's like Ted Nugent doesn't even exist.

When was the last time Patrick, or CBOE or TPB or Twoscoops denounced Ted Nugent's calls for the assasination by Ted Nugent ? For that matter why is it just hunky dory for Trump to honor Ted Nugent at the white house ?


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-hosts-ted-nugent-white-house-c0da4b94c51/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

A Democrat initiative to reduce Teen convictions, not by reducing crime, but by downgrading it.
https://spectator.org/54312_how-miami-school-crime-cover-policy-led-trayvon-martins-death/

Well played sir. Well played.

And don't think I don't have sympathy for Trayvon.

His mother cucked his father, who never believed the kid was his. She paid him no attention, and while his USMC Vet Uncle intervened from time to time, it wasn't enough. Bitch didn't even know what foods or things her own firstborn son liked!

The real plague on this country is Shitty Hobag Single Mothers. And it's not confined to blacks.

@marcus Are you afraid to wear a MAGA hat in public? Why is that?

If you're not willing to prove that it's safe to wear a MAGA hat in public, you do not have the right to claim that the left is not violent.

If it is safe to wear a MAGA hat, it should be no problem for you. A little temporary embarrassment at most.

Can you think of any analogous article of clothing from the left that puts the wearer in physical danger of attack?

Here's another interesting fact the Media hasn't considered, because of their bias.

Acostya was getting upset he was booed at the Trump Rally.

But who has been punching Journos recently? Here are some of their victims:

Independent journalist Keith Campbell
CBS photojournalist
Hill reporter Taylor Lorenz
Journalist shoved by Antifa after they steal his phone.
Andrew Bolt, a 57 year-old commentator for Sky News.
Max Bachmann of Heavy.com.
Jack Posobiec of Rebel Media.
Marcus DiPaola of Heavy.com.
Global News crew in Quebec.
Daily Caller cameraman.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/30/its-not-trump-supporters-who-are-beating-journalists/

Antifa Terrorists attack Cameraman, think he's a Trump Supporter

Clip is from live chopper feed by @kcranews in #Berkeley. No cops seen, this is #Antifa. https://t.co/vQHUculNTX pic.twitter.com/AJvowKzbev

— Nick Short (@PoliticalShort) August 27, 2017

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

His mother cucked his father, who never believed the kid was his. She paid him no attention, and while his USMC Vet Uncle intervened from time to time, it wasn't enough. Bitch didn't even know what foods or things her own firstborn son liked!

The real plague on this country is Shitty Hobag Single Mothers. And it's not confined to blacks.

It would be a far better world if paternity testing were mandatory at birth.

Then fathers would know for certain whether the kid was theirs or not, and women would be less likely to cuck a man to begin with, knowing it would be exposed for certain.

As it is now, many children suffer growing up, not knowing why their dad is suspicious of them. This is bad.

Paternity testing should be the law.

Patrick says

If you're not willing to prove that it's safe to wear a MAGA hat in public, you do not have the right to claim that the left is not violent.

That's funny. I have to wear a MAGA hat to prove that the left is not violent ? I only claim that the right is as violent or more so than the left. And also that the right wing is more driven by hate than the left. One only has to listen to talk radio for the last few decades to know this is true.

I would never wear a MAGA hat, but I don't believe I would get anything worse than ugly comments from assholes on the street that are sure I'm a hate mongering asshole too. You have to realize that there really is an undercurrent of "make America white again" underneath that slogan. (even if you don't see it that way) Not that anyyone is for genocide of nonwites, it's just that it's an integral part of what some if not many Trump voters miss about America 50 years ago. Trumps appeal was an appeal to hate. I don't know how anyone can deny that. Maybe you bleieve the hate is justified, but you can't deny the hate on the right. Just listen to TPB. Now when hate is met with hate, you want to say it's the left that hates. Really Patrick ? I feel like you could see a little deeper than that if you wanted to.

@Patrick do you have any thoughts about Trump hosting Ted Nugent at the white house, even though he called for Obamas assassination ?

Nugent said Obama should suck on his machine gun. He also once publicly referred to Obama as a "sub-human mongrel." In 2012 "Nugent said Obama will either be dead or in jail this time next year."

Chicago is rejecting the Democrats they are Revolting against the Mayor and calling on Trump for help.
www.youtube.com/embed/IP4D-bQscK0

Yes, you do have to wear a MAGA hat or you have no valid point.

Are you afraid to wear the hat?

Wtf ? Okay, well I'm the one who gave a thoughtful response. I would assume that something I said might have rang true and caused such a bizarre reponse, but I just don't know any more. Maybe my projection of some semblance of intelligence and emotional health was wrong ?