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Goran_K says

Well it was a Democrat policy, so...

lol--whatever you say.

Or whatever you and Trump say... hint--nobody is fooled.

LeonDurham says

lol--whatever you say.

Or whatever you and Trump say... hint--nobody is fooled.

Seriously, do you really believe that?

How has the DNC been doing the past 8 years?

Yeah.

Goran_K says

Seriously, do you really believe that?

How has the DNC been doing the past 8 years?

Yeah.

Yes, I know. Any time someone questions Trump, the directive is to come back with--

What about Obama?
What about Hillary?
What about the DNC?

Newsflash--none of those are in power now. Trump's party controls the Executive, Legislative, and Supreme Court.
In other words, the whole show. He owns it all.

LeonDurham says

Newsflash--none of those are in power now. Trump's party controls the Executive, Legislative, and Supreme Court.
In other words, the whole show. He owns it all.

Yes, so get on board and support the guy, he'll be here for another 6 years.

Goran_K says

Yes, so get on board and support the guy, he'll be here for another 6 years.

I'd love to support him when he earns it. Start actually Keeping America Great, and I'll be behind him 100%.

He could start by keeping campaign promises like getting tough on Wall St.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-does-wall-streets-bidding-betraying-campaign-promises

This thread is about illegals right? The one's who chose to hope the fence rather than come here legally..? Why the fuck would anyone expect to have rights in a country they are not citizens of, and entered illegally!?

My wife was born in Tijuana. Her parents naturalized her and her brothers. I know a guy from my FedEx days from Mexicali who was very proud of passing his citizenship exam. Anyone who thinks wetbacks should have the same rights as people who took the time to enter the country legally should be punched in the face. Fuck you for disrespecting my family and their decision to do things right.

LeonDurham says

He could start by keeping campaign promises like getting tough on Wall St.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-does-wall-streets-bidding-betraying-campaign-promises

At least we now know where the Liberal talking points are fed to you every day, that delusional guy, Rachel Maddow,.... wow....

Sniper says

At least we now know where the Liberal talking points are fed to you every day, that delusional guy, Rachel Maddow,.... wow....

OK now that you've attacked the source rather than the argument, would you care to try again?

LeonDurham says

Keep it up! Dig in and defend this policy.

Yep. You guys said the same shit about Dreamers, Trump stuck to his guns and you've lost your double digit lead in generic races.

Give me E-Verify in exchange.

LeonDurham says

He could start by keeping campaign promises like getting tough on Wall St.

Like Obama did?

LOL!!!!!!

I also remembered the single payer option, and the "If you like your doctor..."

Man did Obama cave like a Spelunker the moment he won the election. Citigroup picked his administration per the Podesta Emails.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Like Obama did?

lol, right out of the playbook. Always take it back to Hillary, Obama, Soros, or the DNC.

When you can't defend the indefensible--deflect, deflect, deflect.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Yep. You guys said the same shit about Dreamers, Trump stuck to his guns and you've lost your double digit lead in generic races.

Give me E-Verify in exchange.

Great--keep going. Don't ever change!

LeonDurham says

He could start by keeping campaign promises like getting tough on Wall St.

I hear this a lot. What would Trump (or any POTUS) need to do to "get tough" on Wall Street?

LeonDurham says

When you can't defend the indefensible--deflect, deflect, deflect.

Isn't that SOP for the Liberal playbook, along with Projecting their faults on others?

My company shares its building with DCFS I see crying kids all the time getting taken from parents. But illegals that can't even take care of their kids in thier own country come illegally endangering kids are supposed to get a pass all of a sudden. This shouldn't even be an issue much less our problem. Same issue as in Europe go through dozens of countries to get to the ones with the most entitlements.

Sniper says

Isn't that SOP for the Liberal playbook, along with Projecting their faults on others?

Leon doesn't want to explain what Obama did to get Tough on Wall Street, because he knows he was in bed with them.

Some call pointing this out, "Deflection".

Leon never held Obama accountable, knew Hillary absolutely wasn't going to stand up to Banks but rather bend over for them, but criticizes Trump for not doing so (though he never promised to do so, either).

If the Lefties were really concerned about the children, they would push for extra charges against the parents for child endangerment for those children travelling with the parents. For those children showing up on their own, when the parents are located they should be charged with child abandonment. --- but the Lefties are not really concerned about the children, they just want anti-Trump talking points.

The parents line up their kids, and pay the human smugglers. Then they assign the six year old to care for the 4 year old, give the 11 year old a few doses of Plan B (because rape by the smugglers is inevitable), and say goodbye to their progeny for the rest of their childhood. A few weeks later, the childrens’ fate is decided when they cross the border. If they are stopped by the border patrol, the kids go to a nice facility where they are safe and their every need is met.

If they are unlucky, they don’t get caught by the border patrol. Then the smugglers sell them to whorehouses and pedo “farms” where the rich and decadent can rape them until they die.

Oh, and those perverts are the ones protesting the childhood detentions.

Can you guess why? What did Podesta call brown kids he was about to use as sex objects? Walnuts? It’s a sick situation, and the BEST OUTCOME is for the kids to wind up in One of these much maligned detention centers.

I wonder how Leon can spin these little tidbits... The Liberal hypocrisy, too bad there are videos in the archives...

Flashback: Both Hillary And Obama Advocated Separating Migrant Families, Strict Border Control.

While the left rages against "separated migrant children" which they blame on President Trump's "zero tolerance" enforcement policy of Bush-era rules, several "inconvenient" video clips have cropped up revealing both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama advocating virtually the same border policy they are currently attacking Trump over.

For example, Hillary Clinton said during a 2014 CNN Town Hall;

"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border - doesn't mean your child gets to stay" www.youtube.com/embed/NH6RZFU1_m0

Such virtuous signaling could only be outdone by this clip of Obama:
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1008928564836749312

And let's not gloss over the fact that Obama separated migrant families, while taking criticism for encouraging migration while ignoring the growing crisis at the border.
http://forms.nomoredeaths.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Lateral-Repatriation-Fact-Sheet.pdf

But wait - rolling the calendar back to 1995 when Bill Clinton promised to crack down on illegal immigration, we have the following quote:

"In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace. We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws."

Meanwhile, in 1993 and 1994, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) had some harsh words about immigrants:

"We've got to enforce our borders... The day when American can be the welfare system for Mexico is gone... I think we should enforce our borders..."

So, just a reminder to all you Liberals. you can now STOP with your hypocritical deflecting!


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-19/flashback-both-hillary-and-obama-advocated-separating-migrant-families-strict

Look Guys....We are Americans. There is no way Americans will accept little crying kids being dragged away from their crying mothers arms. It will never work.
I understand restricting illegal immigrants, I understand throwing criminals in jail, but toddlers being dragged away from their mothers will never ever work in this day and age.
Can we just build that fucking wall?

Strategist says

There is no way Americans will accept little crying kids being dragged away from their crying mothers arms. It will never work.

Well, we'll have to build a wall. We have to discourage crazy furr-in-ers from sending their kids with coyotes across deserts and mountains in trucks full of smelly, often criminal Central American bumpkins capable of god-knows-what.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Strategist says

There is no way Americans will accept little crying kids being dragged away from their crying mothers arms. It will never work.

Well, we'll have to build a wall. We have to discourage crazy furr-in-ers from sending their kids with coyotes across deserts and mountains in trucks full of smelly, often criminal Central American bumpkins capable of god-knows-what.

I'm all for the wall. If we allow every single person who wants to come to America, to just walk in, we will face a major crisis. We are all immigrants, lets welcome other immigrants, but let's use common sense at the same time.
Lets give priority to those with skills, who will contribute to our finances and well being, rather than to those who will drain our finances and our well being.
It's as simple as that.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Leon doesn't want to explain what Obama did to get Tough on Wall Street, because he knows he was in bed with them.

Some call pointing this out, "Deflection".

Leon never held Obama accountable, knew Hillary absolutely wasn't going to stand up to Banks but rather bend over for them, but criticizes Trump for not doing so (though he never promised to do so, either).

That's BS and against the rules. For a moderator, it's very troubling to see such a post.

I'll be the first to say Obama was disappointing in many ways. And not being tough enough on Wall St. is a valid criticism. But he's no longer President. We're talking about the man who is President right now--Donald Trump. The one who campaigned about getting tough on Wall St. And how Hillary is in Wall St.'s pocket. Well, surprise, surprise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/04/opinion/trump-picks-wall-street-over-main-street.html

Can you admit that Trump is in the pockets of Wall St., as predicted?

Goran_K says

I hear this a lot. What would Trump (or any POTUS) need to do to "get tough" on Wall Street?

Wonderful, thanks for asking. He could start by doing what he promised on the campaign trail:

Bring back Glass Steagall
Eliminate carried interest loophole

Not to mention adding a transaction tax or breaking up large banks like he also promised.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-has-kept-his-promises-to-wall-street-2017-07-27

Wall St. has no better friend than Trump.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Yep. You guys said the same shit about Dreamers, Trump stuck to his guns and you've lost your double digit lead in generic races.

Give me E-Verify in exchange.

just fyi. This policy polls worse than cutting social security (which Trump also wants to do)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/republicans-trump-house-immigration/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Top+Stories%29

Leon you like to ignore this, but fact is that if you get arrested, your kids don’t share jail cell with you. You’d be separated for children’s sake.

Same thing here. Or are liberals so unaware of reality that life surprises them?

I don’t think he actually gives a rat’s ass about immigrant children. He’s just gloating about the potential of this tempest in a teacup to give the Trump administration a black eye with voters.

Personally, I think Trump should double down. He won’t be changing any minds of the Leftist activists, but he might pick up more people who like how reduced immigration is helping wages finally go up!

LeonDurham says

Bring back Glass Steagall
Eliminate carried interest loophole

Incredible.

I'm getting convinced that good memes are the way to win the fight:



(Thanks Sniper)

There needs to be some humor, and this one is well done, and factual too. Hillary really did say that, and it will draw in the haters for a moment because at first glance it looks like a typical hate-Trump meme. A good meme gets forwarded a thousand times, greatly amplifying its effect.

Quigley says

Personally, I think Trump should double down. He won’t be changing any minds of the Leftist activists, but he might pick up more people who like how reduced immigration is helping wages finally go up!

This is really what the fight is about.

Entrenched elitist (mostly) liberal business interests want to deliberately impoverish US citizens for their own increased profits. Lower wages help the rich.

And so illegals are useful to push down wage demands by the poorest Americans. Thus the media suddenly "discovers" an interest in the welfare of the children of illegals.

rando says

I'm getting convinced that good memes are the way to win the fight:

The Great Meme War of 2016 got Trump elected. It's a great way to condense an argument visually and through text.

The entire illegal alien debate is 100% emotional for Democrats, small condensed fact memes are great at countering this.

Quigley says

Personally, I think Trump should double down. He won’t be changing any minds of the Leftist activists, but he might pick up more people who like how reduced immigration is helping wages finally go up!

Yes, please do!!!! Triple down. Quadruple down!

rando says

This is really what the fight is about.

Entrenched elitist (mostly) liberal business interests want to deliberately impoverish US citizens for their own increased profits. Lower wages help the rich.

And so illegals are useful to push down wage demands by the poorest Americans. Thus the media suddenly "discovers" an interest in the welfare of the children of illegals.

lol--this has nothing to do with keeping immigrants here or allowing more to enter. As far as I can tell, everyone agrees they need to be sent back. The only issue is whether we should be forcibly taking breastfeeding babies from their Moms and flying them 1000 miles away to a detention center.

rando says

I'm getting convinced that good memes are the way to win the fight:

Trump supporters love memes because they are almost universally misleading and lack any nuance.

They are the #1 method for spreading lies. It's no surprise they use them almost exclusively.

Sounds like Trump is caving. He's going to sign "something"

Not bad, but could be funnier, and thus propagate better.

Graphics need to be sharper and more professional too.

Maybe it would be more effective to photoshop an MS 13 gang member into one of those agit-prop photos of children in cages currently being used by the press to get sympathy for the agenda to lower wages for the poorest US citizens.

You can’t cross border illegally. It’s that simple. That’s a broken law.

RafiMaas says

FortWayne says

Leon you like to ignore this, but fact is that if you get arrested, your kids don’t share jail cell with you. You’d be separated for children’s sake.

Same thing here. Or are liberals so unaware of reality that life surprises them?

Again, in asking for asylum, what law has been broken?

RafiMaas says

FortWayne says

Leon you like to ignore this, but fact is that if you get arrested, your kids don’t share jail cell with you. You’d be separated for children’s sake.

Same thing here. Or are liberals so unaware of reality that life surprises them?

Again, in asking for asylum, what law has been broken?

Asking gor asylum at port of entry doesn't break any laws. Crossing the border where there is no POE and then asking obviosly does. The violation in this case is "crossing the border". Did I type this slow enough?