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I played football for 4yrs, love watching the sport, enjoy an occasional pro/collegiate tailgate...

However, I don't want to see politics in football. I engage in football to get away from everything else.

I enjoyed ESPN years ago before it became a political outlet. I want to watch scores and highlights, and nothing else!

If the NFL dies a capitalistic death due to the consequences of taking a political stance, I have no problem with that. I also have no problem with peaceful protest but acknowledge there are sometimes consequences, especially when the protests are done during work hours.

I've already been reading about this week's lost endorsement deals.

joeyjojojunior says

It's funny. Ratings were up last weekend.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/26/nfl-says-tv-ratings-up-3-week-3-compared-2016/703334001/
(you may want to rethink the football is dead theory)

Yes, due to the controversy, you will undoubtedly see a spike for a week or two or three. That's the case with any controversy that makes media top stories.

But I can't see new viewers coming on board anywhere near the rate I see lost viewership over the longer term.

If seeing someone kneeling before a football game makes you this angry.... you are a moron.

joeyjojojunior says

me123 says

"NFL says"?? Sure, we'll believe that.

Actually Nielson says--they measure the ratings.

How does Nielson calculate viewers, do you have to watch the game or just viewi it for a minute or two to make it count? I wonder if people just tuned in to see what the players would do and then changed the channel.

rpanic01 says

joeyjojojunior says

me123 says

"NFL says"?? Sure, we'll believe that.

Actually Nielson says--they measure the ratings.

How does Nielson calculate viewers, do you have to watch the game or just viewi it for a minute or two to make it count? I wonder if people just tuned in to see what the players would do and then changed the channel.

That's exactly what happened

That's exactly what happened

How can you know?

rpanic01 says

I wonder if people just tuned in to see what the players would do and then changed the channel.

That's exactly what I did.

didn't watch. Not watching until NFL issues an apology.

Lets be realistic, players trade between cities anyway. Not rooting for home town anyway, they are all paid a lot... so in essence it's just a bunch of millionnaires from out of town playing football. Even uniforms are probably made in China. There is nothing American about the damn game anymore.

Screw that, I have better things to do with my time.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/begins-stubhub-advertises-10-discount-nfl-september-tickets/
Stubhub Advertises 10% Discount on NFL Tickets

anonymous says

SEE ALL THE EMPTY SEATS?

"Turn those cameras around. Show the crowd, Media!"

TV Networks deliberately avoided showing angry crowds during Taking the Knee Anti-American Protest.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-tv-networks-deliberately-avoided-booing-fans-cbs-nbc-fox-espn-monday-night-football/wp37jk7eoiha1p7ktogwfftzs

BayArea says

That's exactly what happened

Except that's not how Nielson works.

"To best understand how a TV rating works, let's say a show starts at 8pm ET and has 10 people watching. The next minute, at 8:01pm ET, 2 people change the channel to something else, but 4 new people come in and start watching--now there are 12 people watching. So far, there have been a total of 14 people who have consumed any part of this show--10 at the start, 4 more after the first minute. But the TV rating for this show so far would be 11, since 10 the first minute is averaged with 12 the second minute"

https://medium.com/autonomous/you-likely-have-no-idea-how-tv-ratings-work-a-lot-more-people-are-watching-than-you-think-152e51657a5
Discussing any topic with conservatives invariably sinks into a constant battle about what a "fact" is.<

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2017/09/27/nfl-camera-operators-told-not-show-booing-crowd-players-knelt-anthem/

NFL Camera Operators Told not to Show Booing Crowd When Players Knelt During Anthem

If the Founding Fathers knew these Americans were making peaceful protests, they'd be rolling in their graves!

Only God can save us now, from this Liberal wasteland

For those who think NFL fans are all redneck Republican Trump supporters:



NFL fans skew Democratic.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-every-nfl-teams-fans-lean-politically/

Are the players going to take a knee during Superbowl?

joeyjojojunior says

NFL fans skew Democratic

So democrats hate the flag and the anthem??

lostand confused says

So democrats hate the flag and the anthem??

Are the fans protesting?

me123 says

LOL, Five thirty eight again, haven't you learned yet? Take what he posts and invert it, you'll have the true numbers.

lol is right. Spoken like a true Republican. Ignore any fact that doesn't conform to your worldview

me123 says

Did you forget election day? Take Nate's electoral college prediction and invert it, you end close with the actual.

how do you like those facts?

I like them. He was actually spot on based on the polling data.

The end of NFL FOOTBALL? Who gives a crap? I don't watch it on TV anymore and would never consider paying money to watch it. It's amazing how the MSM can convince people that something that is a complete waste of time (watching football on TV or just watching TV in general ) is important.

Tenpoundbass says

Let's see...I never drink cheap BUD or go to McDonalds, would never consider buying a FORD or expensive NIKE apparel, I don't buy Microsoft products or watch ESPN. I guess I've already been boycotting them.

komputodo says

Let's see...I never drink cheap BUD or go to McDonalds, would never consider buying a FORD or expensive NIKE apparel, I don't buy Microsoft products or watch ESPN. I guess I've already been boycotting them.

But, but, but I thought the liberals were the superior, condescending pricks?

joeyjojojunior says

But, but, but I thought the liberals were the superior, condescending pricks?

So sorry, but you didn't quite understand my post...Down here south of the border, Mexican beer is cheaper and better than BUD, Tacos are better and cheaper than McDonalds, I drive an old 1980's beater, I don't need to wear expensive Nike stuff. I think Microsoft sold 1 copy of windows here and there are 10 mil pirated copies and watching TV sports is boring. If that is being "a superior and condescending prick" then I am guilty.

People who still want to watch football can still watch college football.

BayArea says

I enjoyed ESPN years ago before it became a political outlet. I want to watch scores and highlights, and nothing else!

This is the most unfathomable part. Everyone I knew that didn't want to cut the cord or never had any plans to. Based their decision on not being able to have a close live connection with NFL and other Sports. But mostly Football. My Brother, almost everything he owns has a Miami Dolphin logo on it. He threw it all out, and canceled cable.

Look for consumer goods to get cheaper now. Now that the NFL isn't a Trillion dollar a year advertising outlet. Sucking money out of honest hard working people.

Ticket Prices for Thanksgiving NFL Game Tumbling to Less than $15 as Anthem Protests Continue

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/11/21/ticket-pricesthanksgiving-nfl-tumbling-less-15-anthem-protests-continue/

anonymous says

Any of the "patriots" here on the forum that are cheering for the demise of football and the empty stadium seats took the time to remember that in a lot of cases the taxpayers are on the hook not only for the present stadium but in a lot of other instances at the same time are paying for the old one that was torn down as well.

That's a reason NOT to support the NFL and boycott them.

The NFL allowed it's most visible element to insult America, then claim they're American as Apple Pie, so give subsidies. For too long the default decision has been "Side with the minority, and Middle America will eventually accept it." The tide is turning. Companies will now have to choose between their middle American mainstay consumer, and satisfying SJWs, the vast majority of whom are uninterested in, or despise, Football.

The other side to bashing Whites is not only are they economically and numerically superior, but it's been going on so long it's no longer "Cool" and "Edgy". It's the status quo, the default position of Academia, Politics, Bourgeois Professionals, and Corporate Life. To be America First is new and edgy. That's why the Hate America First crowd tries to imitate the organic coolness of MAGA. Good example is "Dotard", the pale imitation of "Cuck", which never gained any steam beyond the CTR Bots.

Nationalism is the new Punk Rock.

anonymous says

Any of the "patriots" here on the forum that are cheering for the demise of football and the empty stadium seats took the time to remember that in a lot of cases the taxpayers are on the hook not only for the present stadium but in a lot of other instances at the same time are paying for the old one that was torn down as well.

I love this twisted logic.

“Don’t boycott the NFL otherwise the socialized cost of building a brand new stadium wouldn’t be worth it!”

Uh most people protesting have already said they support NOT giving tax payer money for stadiums.

I used to enjoy the NFL when Barry Sanders, Joe Montana and Herschel Walker played. Free agency was enough to make me lose interest without politics. I guess I was ahead of the curve.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/11/21/nfl-owners-weighing-change-to-anthem-policy-for-next-season-if-protests-continue/?utm_term=.0f58cad6dae1
Some NFL owners believe there is a strong possibility they will enact an offseason change to the league’s national anthem policy if players’ protests during the anthem persist through the end of this season, reverting to a previous approach of keeping players in the locker room while the anthem is played.

zzyzzx says

reverting to a previous approach of keeping players in the locker room while the anthem is played.

That should go over really big, kinda like a fart in a spacesuit.

Goran_K says

anonymous says

Any of the "patriots" here on the forum that are cheering for the demise of football and the empty stadium seats took the time to remember that in a lot of cases the taxpayers are on the hook not only for the present stadium but in a lot of other instances at the same time are paying for the old one that was torn down as well.

If you're on the hook for stadium costs, by all means you should support your team by buying $1000 worth of tickets, parking fees and snacks every month.

lostand confused says

joeyjojojunior says

NFL fans skew Democratic

So democrats hate the flag and the anthem??

No, the majority of the democrats respect the flag and the anthem. They are just afraid of speaking up and critcizing spooks...White privelege and virtue signaling and all that stuff.