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Individual self-interest is bad for the individuals. People acting selfishly instead of wisely cooperating causes the selfish people to suffer as much as the unselfish ones, but the selfish ones won't change because the suffering they caused is felt by others and the suffering they feel is caused by yet others.
People are born selfish. Blame evolution. How are you gonna change that?
Strategist saysPeople are born selfish. Blame evolution. How are you gonna change that?
Human nature does not need to change. Societal structures do. There's a reason that the age we live in is far more pleasant and less violent than the Stone Age. Human nature didn't change. The way we organize ourselves did.
Until you acknowledge that capitalism and communism are not the only options and that those two options are basically identical, then this conversation is pointless. One cannot talk science with the religious. Capitalism is your religion.
Math, logic, reasoning, science, technology, and rationality are the keys to solving all problems.
There are an infinite number of choices between the two
All economies lean one way or the other.
Strategist saysAll economies lean one way or the other.
Not at all true. There are an infinite number of possible economic systems vastly different from communism or capitalism. Only three nearly identical economic systems have ever been tried in the entire history of mankind. Those two shitty ones and feudalism, and they are all three basically the same damn system.
Capitalism is a Bronze Age technology that has long been obsolete. Do you really think there is no possibility of coming up with anything better in the 21st century? Are you that adverse to innovation? Have you learned nothing from the great progress of the 20th and 21st centuries?
I would call him by his name, Warren Buffet. Strategist would call Buffet a communist.
I don't believe there is another system that can work. For success to take place, a system must serve human greed and selfishness, and we already have that.
it must lean towards capitalism to be a success.
Warren Buffet is my numero uno hero. He is a fucking capitalist, just like me.
The outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.
If he's your hero, then listen to him.
All else above the line should be based on capitalism, because it's capitalism that creates wealth for society.
Math, logic, reasoning, science, technology, and rationality are the keys to solving all problems.
Strategist saysAll else above the line should be based on capitalism, because it's capitalism that creates wealth for society.
Capitalism does not create wealth. Productivity and cooperation creates wealth. Capitalism seizes control of the wealth created by productivity and channels it into the hands of a few.
Dan8267 saysMath, logic, reasoning, science, technology, and rationality are the keys to solving all problems.
Forcing order top down, like an engineer does on a system doesn't work on society.
You have to create rules whereby individualism is ok, but cooperation will emerge.
And what use is "Math, logic, reasoning, science, technology, and rationality are the keys to solving all problems." if no one has the incentive to apply it?
And what use is "Math, logic, reasoning, science, technology, and rationality are the keys to solving all problems." if no one has the incentive to apply it?
Capitalism does not create wealth. Productivity and cooperation creates wealth. Capitalism seizes control of the wealth created by productivity and channels it into the hands of a few.
Also, remember that profit seeking can capitalism are entirely different things! Capitalism seeks profit by siphoning off profit from others. Good profit seeking comes from productivity, not zero-sum games.
They key difference between communism and small gov anarchists is that the former want purely top-down organization, the latter purely bottom-up.
There's always incentive to generate wealth when you get to keep the wealth you generate. Capitalism takes away this incentive by rigging the system.
Any system in which each individual attempts to maximize his own prosperity regardless of everyone else's is a system where each individual's prosperity is minimized. Collaboration, not individualism, matters for prosperity. This is a mathematical law. You cannot cheat mathematical laws. You will lose. If you want prosperity, increase collaboration and cooperation. The religion of capitalism is just plain wrong. Greed is not good. Greed does not create prosperity, not even for the greedy.
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Math, logic, reasoning, science, technology, and rationality are the keys to solving all problems.
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