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joeyjojojunior says

Sure--if Brazile obtained the questions illegally, then that would be a crime. But the DNC helping one candidate over another isn't.

Just like when the Housing Bubble popped, maybe there wasn't prosecution because there were no specific laws broken.

People may be pretty stupid, but they're not blind, and it's not that hard to tell right from wrong.

As a political agnostic, I can see very clearly that the media and Deep State only ever cared about defeating Bernie. He is the outsider that the Status quo fears most.

All the bleating on about Trump is just low hanging fruit for their business model

"People may be pretty stupid, but they're not blind, and it's not that hard to tell right from wrong."

Yep--I think they way Sanders was treated had a lot to do with the Dem's problems.

"As a political agnostic, I can see very clearly that the media and Deep State only ever cared about defeating Bernie. He is the outsider that the Status quo fears most."

I agree with this too. Everyone knew Trump was only interested in winning--he didn't care about governing. And, at the end of the day, he would let the GOPe do whatever they want. Tax cuts for the rich. Free trade. Get rid of Wall St./big banks regulation. Sanders, on the other hand, wouldn't bow to the establishment.

hehehe

https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DEd57RBVYAEDTP3.mp4

Speaking of Historical context.

Ted Kennedy DID collude with the Russians to influence 1984 election.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/

Tenpoundbass says

hehehe

People tend to tweet, when News Papers warn them, "We are going to go to print with this. Any further comment? Do you deny this?"

Small reporter fish got beat by big big formidable NYT.

:)

Mueller has been quiet this story is going nowhere.
Pelosi has been silent this story is finished
HIllary has laryngitis nothing left of this story.
They all hope you will riot in the street over it though. Feel free to go all G20 on us.
That's just how you Liberals do!

Capitulation is beginning. We will have a remorseful "I didn't know any better" at the Senate soon ... "The mean lady tricked me."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/11/sean-hannity-is-gloating-about-landing-an-interview-with-donald-trump-jr

Rew says

understand intent for meeting better than the current representation by the NYT?

yes, i do. this story is garbage. you do indeed look like fools again.

June 7 - 5:16 PM - Don Jr. confirms meeting w/ Russian lawyer
June 7 - 9:13 PM Trump promises press conf the next week with Clinton dirt.

That could merely be circumstantial ... but wow! I'm interested. :)

joeyjojojunior says

Sure--if Brazile obtained the questions illegally, then that would be a crime. But the DNC helping one candidate over another isn't.

Unless you're suggesting that CNN was complicit in this corrupt scheme, I'd be interested in knowing how Donna Brazile the vice chair and ultimately chairperson of the DNC " legally" obtained (in advance) the questions to the national presidential nomination debates, in order to secure advantage to one candidate over the other? I don't know of one, yet I'm interested in your position. Of course anything you suggest would be speculation, since no one has bothered to learn this....why is that, and why doesn't that bother you? Also, the cloak of "private entity" does not make any organization immune from law. We are a representative government, this is a foundational principle of our Constitution. An entity cannot usurp the constitutional rights of the people by disenfranchising their right for representation, merely claiming to be "private". The argument of choice is moot, as millions of Democrats feel defrauded by these corrupt acts. Fraud is a crime, corruption can be a crime. I don't pretend for a moment the GOP is any better, they just didn't get "caught" yet. Frankly, it's my feeling the reason Congress can get nothing done for the people, is because it takes so much time deleting decades worth of corrupt emails and evidence. I'm sure when that task is completed, they can get back to regular "work".

I take it "all" back. Trump and his administration have been 100% consistent. They have always maintained, at every turn, they did nothing wrong.

The only thing that has changed: all the details and reason why. ;)

"We did not chop down that cherry tree."

sagacious1 says

Unless you're suggesting that CNN was complicit in this corrupt scheme

I think they sent the questions to the DNC in advance. Pretty sure that's public knowledge from the released emails, but I will look.

sagacious1 says

Of course anything you suggest would be speculation, since no one has bothered to learn this....why is that, and why doesn't that bother you?

Like I said--pretty sure people did learn this. And why would you pretend to know what bothers me?

sagacious1 says

An entity cannot usurp the constitutional rights of the people by disenfranchising their right for representation, merely claiming to be "private". The argument of choice is moot, as millions of Democrats feel defrauded by these corrupt acts. Fraud is a crime, corruption can be a crime.

What are you talking about? The DNC doesn't have to offer the people any choice. They can nominate whoever they wish. And people can choose to not vote Democratic as a result. Fraud in a legal sense has a specific meaning which simply doesn't apply here.

Hey--I'm always been a big Sanders backer so I think it sucks as much or more than you. It's just not a crime.

joeyjojojunior says

sagacious1 says

Unless you're suggesting that CNN was complicit in this corrupt scheme

I think they sent the questions to the DNC in advance. Pretty sure that's public knowledge from the released emails, but I will look.

sagacious1 says

Of course anything you suggest would be speculation, since no one has bothered to learn this....why is that, and why doesn't that bother you?

Like I said--pretty sure people did learn this. And why would you pretend to know what bothers me?

sagacious1 says

An entity cannot usurp the constitutional rights of the people by disenfranchising their right for representation, merely claiming to be "private". The argument of choice is moot, as millions of Democrats f...

No, CNN did not send any questions to anyone in advance of the debates (or so is their adamant claim) and yet somehow Donna Brazile had them?. What would be the point of a candid debate, if questions are given in advance? No one knows how Donna Brazile obtained them...it is a mystery and I'm aware of no one pursuing that answer. However it was a severe enough breach, to cause her to be fired, or perhaps she resigned from her lucrative CNN salary. The DNC does maintain a written charter, and a section of that charter regards commitment to party members of complete neutrality towards nominees. It is that section, and various stated other reasons, that is now the central points of a class action lawsuit brought against the DNC. Highly unlikely it will be successful, though not for want of merit but rather for adept legal maneuvering of high powered DNC lawyers. Profit is so sweet, even if it by deception.

you miss the point. read tpb's line again.

Rew says

Tenpoundbass says

Trump was elected to Break that shit.

Trump isn't a champion of the little people.

BlueSardine says

you miss the point. read tpb's line again.

I know I always burn my house down first when I want to remodel. Insanity.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

You met Mueller, you met a piece of steel that knows when to fire.

If he's there, he knows the case is a lock.

They are looking for the money, the contacts, the network of people and influences. They are gosh darn counter intel terrorist hunters: a tip of the intelligence war spear.

sagacious1 says

It is that section, and various stated other reasons, that is now the central points of a class action lawsuit brought against the DNC. Highly unlikely it will be successful, though not for want of merit but rather for adept legal maneuvering of high powered DNC lawyers. Profit is so sweet, even if it by deception.

I hope it is successful--possibly it will open the eyes of the party leadership.

When the foundations busted you don't remodel...

Rew says

BlueSardine says

you miss the point. read tpb's line again.

I know I always burn my house down first when I want to remodel. Insanity.

Adam Goldman just now tweeting: "I'm still reporting."

That's a NYTimes reporter, after two days chock full of NYT destroying the Trumps over Russia, saying he has something more for us. Could be small, but something more comes. Adam covers FBI and Intel stories.

BlueSardine says

When the foundations busted you don't remodel...

Oh. Interesting. You are not one of the new breed of originalist constitutional scholars the current right wing GOP has produced? Instead a true reformer?

You want to amend the constitution with what?

Rew says

That's a NYTimes reporter, after two days chock full of NYT destroying the Trumps over Russia, saying he has something more for us. Could be small, but something more comes. Adam covers FBI and Intel stories.

NYT credibility is shot they said the Lawyer had ties to Kremlin she did not. Said a British Agent contacted them, it was a pop star agent that contacted them.
The whole story is a Zach Galifianakis award comedy about ineptitude. The only thing missing is Megan Fox and Billy Bush.

The constitution is the land the foundation sits on. That can stay.
The foundation is made up of corporations, lobbyists, and politicians. The current crop must go.

Rew says

BlueSardine says

When the foundations busted you don't remodel...

Oh. Interesting. You are not one of the new breed of originalist constitutional scholars the current right wing GOP has produced? Instead a true reformer?

You want to amend the constitution with what

Tenpoundbass says

NYT credibility is shot they said the Lawyer had ties to Kremlin she did not.

Fascinating ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/world/europe/natalia-veselnitskaya-donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer.html

BlueSardine says

The foundation is made up of corporations, lobbyists, and politicians. The current crop must go.

"Current crop" ... hmmm ... they look like they are staying. Trump family and WH administration, looking pretty shaky.

Stupidest thing I've ever seen a President do: declare war on the intelligence services and media less then a day apart.

www.youtube.com/embed/6oJP0umCDgI

Nothing, except I put Jared and Manafort right in the crosshairs, and the email clearly states it is from Russian state interest to help his dad Trump.

You want me to believe you were playing spy and good guy? I think not. You start getting communications like that, you go right to intelligence officials: FBI. They can advise you on how to behave.

Amateur hour.

Be sure to send Kamala my regards, when she questions you. :)

Was it Collusion?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/collusion-trump-russia-campaign.html

Simple, rational, well done. Go NYT! Go Deep State!

Tim Aurora says

Tenpoundbass says

Not one Liberal has reported one single honest thing about the man.

You make blanket and irrelevant statements . You now sound and look like a loser who after losing has gone on a rampage about everything he hates about his life. Chill down. Stick to the topic or start a new topic on this and I will respond there. There is enough evidence to suspect and even prove collusion between Trump team and Russia.

Look, no one credible is suggesting that these things not be fairly investigated. What is displayed by many conservative posts on this topic is the preoccupation and imbalanced manner of the mainstreams media's coverage, and that's a legitimate observation. It's on the verge of being "creepy". It is this kind of biased journalism that creates such great distrust amongst conservatives and frankly, many other minded people. Moreover, it distracts from issues of substance, such as policy, which in all likelihood is the intent. Policy is what affects the individual, policy is what truly matters yet we hear little from the mainstream media regarding these. Certainly not in a balanced manner. Yellow journalism used to be a stigma, now it seems the only news available.

sagacious1 says

is the preoccupation and imbalanced manner of the mainstreams media's coverage, and that's a legitimate observation. It's on the verge of being "creepy".

What has come to light in two days really is the biggest story in politics for the past 5 months, or far longer.

sagacious1 says

It is this kind of biased journalism

The cure being proposed is equal time to opposing views. Simply put, giving equal time/voice to things which are flatly wrong and false has no value anywhere. Truth matters a great deal, and WaPo and NYTs have risen to the challenge ... not shirked from it.

I will not accept Trump as an answer to corruption or divisiveness. He is the embodiment of those diseases himself.

sagacious1 says

Policy is what affects the individual

Agreed. Policy is also what is made by the State. If the State has a policy of accepting help outside the interest of the American people, what then?

There really isn't a bigger story, though we do need to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Paul Ryan, "Russian meddling in U.S. election is 'absolutely unacceptable'." ... now back to trying to cram this tax break, I mean 'Healthcare bill' through the process.

Trump is safe.
His family will not turn on him for one single reason:
Anything the libbies turn up on the trumplings will be PRESIDENTIALLY PARDONED.

Everybody caught in this net will be pardoned. Everybody.
In other words, the libbies are like a dog chasing it's tail, when caught, there is no bite coming...

Rew says

Was it Collusion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/collusion-trump-russia-campaign.html

Simple, rational, well done. Go NYT! Go Deep State!

BlueSardine says

Trump is safe.

If the authoritarian loses all his loyal support and family around him, how long does he stay?

BlueSardine says

Everybody caught in this net will be pardoned. Everybody.

Certainty you cannot and should not have. There is plenty of reason to believe this could be moving on a path to convictions.

Good god if this is true ...

https://politicalwire.com/2017/07/11/kushner-lawyers-discovered-trump-jr-emails/

Jr. Message right now: "I willingly and transparently disclose these emails, and of course I will testify under oath."
Behind the Scenes: "Jared, as legal council, you are in deep shit. We need to get out in front of this. These emails you received from Jr, we need them disclosed."

Tim Aurora says

A Russian spy is the president of USA.

A little hyperbolic. Minimally, the story is: America seeks to fight corruption ... with corruption.

Rancor at White House as Russia Story Refuses to Let the Page Turn

Tim Aurora says

sagacious1 says

ook, no one credible is suggesting that these things not be fairly investigated. What is displayed by many conservative posts on this topic is the preoccupation and imbalanced manner of the mainstreams media's coverage, and that's a legitimate observation.

Maybe the MSM is liberal leaning. But this crime, if proven , would possibly the crime of millennium, A Russian spy is the president of USA.

Yes yes...yet even playing it to an extreme and unlikely end, you still get Pence for president and Gorsuch is still a justice. The point being, nothing changes for all the hullaballoo. Let the investigations take their course, ultimately we must still deal with policy. Long gone are the days of stoic-faced commentators, delivering news with neutral, factual content in monotone voices. Journalism had integrity, where ideas, policy and content mattered. Today it's nothing more than entertainment with an almost Jerry Springer like flare to it. Personally, I feel the media has lost its relevance, squeezed out of its necessity like so many things in our instant age of communication. It's become the photo mat of communications. People don't respect the news, don't believe it. It's lost it's credibility, but gained a venue for grand entertainment.... deep deep down, everyone likes a good Jerry Springer episode....never fails to get an audience howling, it's a sure sell.

sagacious1 says

Yes yes...yet even playing it to an extreme and unlikely end, you still get Pence for president and Gorsuch is still a justice.

There would never be a call for re-elections. No one would cry out to remove all Trump appointees as "dirty".

The threat of President Pence is also ... not scary! Trump very much is. He is an authoritarian nightmare for the country. I hope we wake up soon.

Well, with pence you will now have someone in the oval office that can work with republican congress to get conservative issues implemented.
This is much more damning to liberals than the trump circus.
Trump was just the trojan horse to get Pence into the whitehouse.

sagacious1 says

you still get Pence for president and Gorsuch is still a justice. The point being, nothing changes for all the hullaballoo.

BlueSardine says

This is much more damning to liberals than the trump circus.

To social agenda, yes. To a Democratic Western world, no. The fight is for liberal democracies themselves. Even if I get one I don't like, I want one!