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YesYNot says

Comey tells Congress that Trump had no reason to accuse Obama of wiretapping.

Trump is fuming. He asks the AG and deputy AG to write memos outlining the case against Comey, and then he fires Comey. Trump blames the firing on the AG and deputy AG. He (likely fabricates) a story about himself not being under investigation. Trump blames firing on Comey's behavior back during the election, even though he praised Comey for his actions back then.

The Dems see that Trump is obviously firing Comey because he wants the FBI to investigate leaks instead of the things that the FBI think warrant investigation.

Lol a conspiracy theory, complete w at least 6 different pure-guesses presented as fact. Do you think about the words you use, or just copy/paste from CNN?

YesYNot says

This is bizarre behavior.

We agree on something.

CBOEtrader says

ambiguous non-facts

In this case, it's fact-based. Trump's own comments and the timing of the firing are facts. Trump's motives are uncertain, but based on reporting (his administration is still leaking like a sieve) his motives are that he was mad about Comey's interest in Trump Russia collusion and mad at Comey for not playing along with his Obama lying narrative. In other words, Trump wants to get a yes man in there, so that he can use the FBI to his own ends rather than just follow the rule of law.

joeyjojojunior says

investigation of Trump

Trump isnt under investigation. Facts matter.

joeyjojojunior says

creativity to connect the dots

Yes, when you make up facts, then make up narrative from those fake facts, then connect the dots within your own made-up narrative... the last step is probably the least creative.

So try again, this time at least using known facts as building blocks for your fever dream.

"Trump isnt under investigation. Facts matter."

Not sure what hairs you think you are splitting here, but Trump and his ties to Russia are absolutely under investigation. What did Trump know, when did he know it.

"Yes, when you make up facts, then make up narrative from those fake facts"

No made up facts. Comey was fired less than 24 hours after he requested more resources into the investigation of the Trump Administration's ties to Russia.

CBOEtrader says

Do you think about the words you use, or just copy/paste from CNN?

Do you wonder about the timing of this dismissal?

Do you think that the President asked Comey if he was under investigation? Kelly Anne wouldn't answer that question, because (1) If the President did ask Comey about that, it would be worse than Bill Clinton's tarmac chat and (2) If the President did not ask Comey, we would be forced to believe that Comey offered that up to Trump unsolicited 3 times, which is absolutely unbelievable and (3) If the president made it up, he's acting like a 2 yr old.

Which of these scenarios do you think is most likely? [typical CBOE rant] Or do you just wait until you are told what to say by whatever backward conspiracy related media sources you consume? [/typical CBOE rant]

YesYNot says

Trump's own comments and the timing of the firing are facts.

You mean Trump's letter? Ok yes thats a fact, including the part about Trump not being under investigation.

YesYNot says

Trump's motives are uncertain,

Ah, a moment of clarity for you? Good start

YesYNot says

reporting (his administration is still leaking like a sieve) his motives are that he was mad about Comey's interest in Trump Russia collusion and mad at Comey for not playing along with his Obama lying narrative.

Wow, that moment of clarity was brief. This is pure la-la land. Zero facts. Pure conjecture. Alex Jones wants his schtick back. For the record, there is more evidence of pizzagate, than your trump/comey/russia theory.

CBOEtrader says

Trump isnt under investigation. Facts matter.

lol. If the country believed this bullshit, then the whole thing would not be an issue. By the way, Trump's credibility is failing much harder than the NYT. This episode is just going to make his credibility problem worse.

YesYNot says

Do you wonder about the timing of this dismissal?

You mean a few days after his testimony about how he fucked up the hillary investigation? Or 100 days into trump's term after his team has had a chance to evaluate?

joeyjojojunior says

Not sure what hairs you think you are splitting here, but Trump and his ties to Russia are absolutely under investigation. What did Trump know, when did he know it.

No, you have been lied to. Show your source please. Zero evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. Zero evidence of Russia/Wikileaks collusion. So.. I think you mean Russia is under investigation, which is a broad, meaningless distinction in this world of mass surveillance. How about you go find some facts and post them here. You are flat wrong about Trump being under investigation.

YesYNot says

If the country believed this bullshit, then the whole thing would not be an issue.

Yes, propaganda works. This is why the MSM is the enemy of the people. They push for ww3 based on lies.

YesYNot says

By the way, Trump's credibility is failing much harder than the NYT. This episode is just going to make his credibility problem worse.

I hear Putin's credibility rating is amazing in Russia. Does that mean he's reputable?

"Zero evidence of Trump/Russia collusion"

Not zero evidence at all. There was a whole dossier of evidence. Some has been verified, some hasn't. Some question its veracity. But, there is evidence. And the FBI has been working to verify and confirm it, so that's pretty much the definition of an investigation.

Russian ties to the Trump administration and Trump himself is being investigated. Was there collusion? Did Trump and/or his associates make a secret deal with Russia? That is absolutely under investigation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/its-official-the-fbi-is-investigating-trumps-links-to-russia/520134/

“I’ve been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” Comey said in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. “That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

joeyjojojunior says

investigation of the Trump Administration

Court's dont investigate administrations. They investigate individuals. Please tell us who exactly is being investigated by which authority or authorities? Be specific.

Until you are clear on this, none of your conjecture based on this is relevant.

joeyjojojunior says

Not sure what hairs you think you are splitting here, but Trump and his ties to Russia are absolutely under investigation. What did Trump know, when did he know it.

No, Trump is not under investigation now. AFAIK, Carter Page and Flynn were cleared. Now they want to look at Flynn's associates. In other words, Trump's associates' associates, expanding the circle ever further in the desperation to find some kind of connection, no matter how distant, between Trump current/former team members.

This would be like the Special prosecutor under Clinton looking for money to expand the investigation to the associates of Robert Reich after he was let go.

Comey and McCabe refused to make a Public Statement announcing they closed investigations on the basis of no evidence. Enough is Enough.

Reminder: Comey is an Obama appointee; McCabe via his Wife received money from McAullife during the election and while he was investigating the Clinton Email. THAT would be worthy of an investigation.

joeyjojojunior says

There was a whole dossier of evidence.

You are still fixated on the wildly discredited pee-dossier?

Hey dems: put down the pitchforks. Its time to MAGA.

joeyjojojunior says

investigating the Russian government's

You do understand that the Russian government is not Trump right?

Say it with me: Trump is not under investigation. Fact.

curious2 says

Click or tap the up arrow, left of the poster's avatar.

Thanks!

The only clowns bigger than Trump are California politicians. Maybe we need to put an age limit to be in politics we really shouldn't have a bunch of old people on deaths door running things.

She's making as much sense as patnetters.

"You do understand that the Russian government is not Trump right?"

Yep, but you do realize that Trump is part of the Trump Administration, right?

"You are still fixated on the wildly discredited pee-dossier?"

Not fixated with. Just wanted to remind you that evidence exists.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html

joeyjojojunior says

"You do understand that the Russian government is not Trump right?"

Yep, but you do realize that Trump is part of the Trump Administration, right?

Go back and read what/who they are investigating. Hint: Its not trump or his administration.

you are literally making up reasons to support your fantasy

"No, Trump is not under investigation now"

You have no idea. All we know is that Comey said on March 20th that the Trump Administration absolutely was under investigation. We've heard nothing since that would indicate the investigation is complete--as a matter of fact, Comey is reported to have asked for MORE resources this week before being fired. So, that would seem to indicate the investigation is very much alive.

"Go back and read what/who they are investigating. Hint: Its not trump or his administration. You are literally making up reasons to support your fantasy"

We don't know who all they are investigating. In fact, they don't know where it will lead at this point. They are investigating the Trump Administration and are letting the evidence take them where it takes them. But, seeing as Trump is part of the Trump Administration, he is pretty clearly part of the investigation.

For the record here's what Comey said (in the article):

"Asked directly whether Trump himself was a target of the investigation, the FBI director demurred"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/its-official-the-fbi-is-investigating-trumps-links-to-russia/520134/?ref=patrick.net

Not sure how you can take that to mean Trump is not part of the investigation.

The point is the investigation goes on, despite zero concrete evidence produced so far that ties the Trump administration to Russia. None. After almost a year.
At what point can a baseless assertion with no supporting facts but the opinions of wild-eyed partisan hacks be labeled a straight-up conspiracy theory?

"The point is the investigation goes on, despite zero concrete evidence produced so far that ties the Trump administration to Russia. None. After almost a year.
At what point can a baseless assertion with no supporting facts but the opinions of wild-eyed partisan hacks be labeled a straight-up conspiracy theory?"

wtf are you talking about. One member of the Trump Administration has already had to resign over his ties to Russia. The Attorney General has had to recuse himself. Other members of the campaign have had serious questions raised about their dealings.

Watergate took almost a year and that was with investigators who were actually trying to find the truth. What's the rush? Don't you want to the truth to come out?

her mouth keeps moving but all I hear is a racist evil cunt.

joeyjojojunior says

One member of the Trump Administration has already had to resign over his ties to Russia.

The administration is not a monolith. Who are you talking about?

joeyjojojunior says

They are investigating

Corrction. They are investigating russia and letting the facts take them where it may. After 10 months, it has still produced zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

Therefore trump is STILL not under investigation.

"The administration is not a monolith. Who are you talking about?"

If you don't know the answer to this, you have no business posting on here. Similarly if you don't understand who is considered part of the Trump Administration.

"Corrction. They are investigating russia and letting the facts take them where it may. After 10 months, it has still produced zero evidence of trump/russia collusion."

No matter how many times you say this, you're still wrong. The former FBI director said it plainly. They are investigating Russian ties to the Trump Administration. By definition, that means the Trump Administration is being investigated.

joeyjojojunior says

One member of the Trump Administration has already had to resign over his ties to Russia.

No, it was because he failed to DISCLOSE those ties and was therefore incompletely vetted before taking office. To put it simply (so even a Leftist might understand), Trump hired a guy to do a job. Turned out that guy lied on his application. He was allowed to resign instead of being fired, not that it makes a huge difference.
So how does Flynn's lie make Trump or the rest of his administration corrupt? I fail to see the connection, and I haven't seen anything from the Left that makes a connection. Hand waving doesn't count, nor does this "smell test." Waters is probably just smelling her nasty upper lip.

"No, it was because he failed to DISCLOSE those ties and was therefore incompletely vetted before taking office. To put it simply (so even a Leftist might understand), Trump hired a guy to do a job. Turned out that guy lied on his application. He was allowed to resign instead of being fired, not that it makes a huge difference.
So how does Flynn's lie make Trump or the rest of his administration corrupt? I fail to see the connection, and I haven't seen anything from the Left that makes a connection. Hand waving doesn't count, nor does this "smell test." Waters is probably just smelling her nasty upper lip."

lol--more hair splitting. Why did he lie? Could it be because of the ties?

Trump has Russian ties, they are quite exquisite.

joeyjojojunior says

Why did he lie? Could it be because of the ties?

So as "evidence" you're providing me with conspiracy theories? I mean, as far as that goes, I believe that little green men are influencing Trump's brain to make him say ridiculous things over Twitter! Then, the extraterrestrials laugh and take another shot of human spinal fluid (which they find extremely intoxicating) and debate what ridiculous thing to make him say next!

"So as "evidence" you're providing me with conspiracy theories?"

What's the conspiracy theory. It's fact.

joeyjojojunior says

What's the conspiracy theory. It's fact.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself. It's okay to admit it when you've lost an argument dude. People might even think better of you.

"Now you're just embarrassing yourself. It's okay to admit it when you've lost an argument dude. People might even think better of you"

Sure. What argument have I lost? It's a fact that Flynn resigned because he lied about his ties to Russia.

Quigley says

despite zero concrete evidence produced so far

Why do you assume this? Was that the assumption for Hillary up until Comey made a public announcement?

joeyjojojunior says

"The administration is not a monolith. Who are you talking about?"

If you don't know the answer to this, you have no business posting on here. Similarly if you don't understand who is considered part of the Trump Administration.

"Corrction. They are investigating russia and letting the facts take them where it may. After 10 months, it has still produced zero evidence of trump/russia collusion."

No matter how many times you say this, you're still wrong. The former FBI director said it plainly. They are investigating Russian ties to the Trump Administration. By definition, that means the Trump Administration is being investigated.

You take liberties w your words then expect others to agree w you. Its intellectually weak. Your conclusions are based on nothing

You are worse than Alex jones

joeyjojojunior says

"Now you're just embarrassing yourself. It's okay to admit it when you've lost an argument dude. People might even think better of you"

Sure. What argument have I lost? It's a fact that Flynn resigned because he lied about his ties to Russia.

No, its not. You consistently shove the real world into your fantasy narrative. Hey Alex jones, stop it.

Regardless Flynn hasn't broken any laws and was fired before he was ever part of trumps administration.

YesYNot says

Quigley says

despite zero concrete evidence produced so far

Why do you assume this? Was that the assumption for Hillary up until Comey made a public announcement?

Hillary was totally different. There was concrete evidence of wrong doing everywhere w hillary.

What we supposedly lacked was proof of intent.

W trump we have no evidence of wrong doing in the first place.

"Regardless Flynn hasn't broken any laws and was fired before he was ever part of trumps administration."

Flynn was fired by Obama. Then he was hired by Trump to be National Security Advisor and Assistant to the President. What's your point?

We don't know if he broke laws, but we do know that he requested immunity before testifying.

joeyjojojunior says

"No, it was because he failed to DISCLOSE those ties and was therefore incompletely vetted before taking office. To put it simply (so even a Leftist might understand), Trump hired a guy to do a job. Turned out that guy lied on his application. He was allowed to resign instead of being fired, not that it makes a huge difference.

So how does Flynn's lie make Trump or the rest of his administration corrupt? I fail to see the connection, and I haven't seen anything from the Left that makes a connection. Hand waving doesn't count, nor does this "smell test." Waters is probably just smelling her nasty upper lip."

lol--more hair splitting. Why did he lie? Could it be because of the ties?

Facts are important. When you get your facts wrong it's not splitting hairs.

Conflating the fbi investigating Russia's influence over the election is an ambiguous distinction in this era of mass surveillance. Its equivalent to shaking a firm fist at putin.

There remains zero evidence against trump, who is not under investigation.