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In every retirement plan they always like to assume 8% return rate, while reality is closer to 4% when all is averaged out.

rando says

I just want freedom from having a boss.

Then in that case I'll consider my self retired when I leave this company and can market my kickass Middleware I brought with me.

a camper van and an etsy shop

I imagine a lot of people will get income from down-sizing/moving to cheaper areas. There are probably a lot of people on here who can sell up and move to a (potentially) nicer area and save a considerable amount of money in the process - Silicon valley hotspots to say Monterey would be a pleasant switch in retirement (if you like a bit more nature of course) and that would bring you a fair chunk of change and still be within driving distance of friends/family. I'm sure the same applies all over the country.

Tenpoundbass says

My black buddy I mention here, get's 3 grand a month in disablity. He still has to work at Jimmy Johns to make ends meet.

Is he paying rent? $3,000 with no rental payments sounds fine to me. The older I get, the less I actually seem to spend in many ways. I can imagine being retired and spending next to nothing (certainly if I wasn't fit enough to travel).

How much (in today's dollars) is it going to cost to live in Caligulan splendor for 30 years?

My best guess is about 3.5 million in liquid assets, plus a house you own that is fixed up to your liking. No debt of any kind, and some sort of medical and dental plan paid for (even though you do pay for Medicare, that would suffice). For planning purposes, living till 90.

i will retire in a poorer country. get more bang for my buck that way.

just need to find a town with a decent hospital.

it won't be un-American because i will have paid a lot of taxes already.

Ironman says

Booger says

For planning purposes, living till 90.

Why?? That doesn't sound like any fun

You pretty much have to pick a number, so I am picking 90.

It also depends on how young you are. The younger you are, and the younger you want to retire, the more money you'll need. If you retire in your 50's, you'll need a lot more, unless, of course your are in one of those cushy gov jobs that cover all your insurance with the pension. 2 million now won't be the same 2 million in 10, 15, or 25 years.

Booger says

My best guess is about 3.5 million in liquid assets, plus a house you own that is fixed up to your liking. No debt of any kind, and some sort of medical and dental plan paid for (even though you do pay for Medicare, that would suffice). For planning purposes, living till 90.

$3.5M would put you between the 95th and 99th percentiles:

Surely some people beneath the 95th percentile are able to retire, aren't they?

rando says

Surely some people beneath the 95th percentile are able to retire, aren't they?

Anyone with a defined benefit pension plan, like a government worker, can retire with little or no assets. Everything is already paid for then by the taxpayers. For everyone else, yes you need a shitload of money unless you are going to work until you drop dead or maybe only retire for a few years. I plan on being retired for at least 20 years.

Besides that, I'm guessing that 3.5 million is an amount that most Patneters can obtain during the working lifetime.

hmmm.

Booger says

You pretty much have to pick a number, so I am picking 90.

I'd like to see some of your retirement numbers

If you can pay off your house so that it's only fixed costs are taxes and insurance, than all you need is an income stream to cover your needs and you can free yourself from the boss.

Rashomon says

Is he paying rent? $3,000 with no rental payments sounds fine to me. The older I get, the less I actually seem to spend in many ways. I can imagine being retired and spending next to nothing (certainly if I wasn't fit enough to travel).

He bought a house a few years ago. Being a Vet, and disabled he gets tax, and interest breaks. He's doing better than renting in his case, only because of that.
He's a walking disabled person btw.
He was ordered to do some things, and saw somethings. Then when he read the news the next day and saw the reality of what he did. Did not match the objective of the orders. When he mentioned to his officers about his suspicions. They gave him a PSD disability before there was even a name for it. They discharged him and he was stateside within a week.

rando says

Excellent chart. they should come up with one for retirees only. I would expect retirees to have a higher net worth than the rest of the population.

Strategist says

I would expect retirees to have a higher net worth than the rest of the population.

Maybe in developed countries... And then a lot of that net worth is locked in real estate.

It is a sacred duty to spread the superior attributes of the enlightened, sanctifying balm to the impoverished, benighted heathen races.

Also vacationing in Turkey - cheap (from Europe) and just amazing!

Red Sea in Egypt used to be a very popular destination from western European countries until recently...

Then camping in southern France, Italy, Corsica, the Greek Islands - nothing comparable here in the States.

Booger says

My best guess is about 3.5 million in liquid assets

I'm aiming for roughly the same number - about $4mm. At 5% withdrawal, that should be $200K yearly salary.

Jimbo in SF says

At 5% withdrawal, that should be $200K yearly salary.

OK, that's 20 years of withdrawals. But if you live longer, you'll need more. Or do you mean 5% return?

$200K sounds like more than anyone really needs to live. I'm thinking $80K per year would do for me.

rando says

Jimbo in SF says

At 5% withdrawal, that should be $200K yearly salary.

OK, that's 20 years of withdrawals. But if you live longer, you'll need more. Or do you mean 5% return?

5% return on the $4mm might cover yearly withdrawal, that's the goal.

$200K sounds like more than anyone really needs to live. I'm thinking $80K per year would do for me.

I think this might be a more likely outcome, but I'd live in Spain or Portugal under this scenario.

Also, $80k today might be do-able ... but you might need $200K in 20 or 25 years.

zzyzzx says

Why is living next to Turkey so bad?
Does infographic take into account Greek taxes?

For Greece:
You have to learn the language and also to read/write the local alphabet.
And prepare for what will happen when they exit the euros.

For Macedonia: you have to learn Macedonian and also a new alphabet. But hey... old people need to work their brains.
It's not next to Turkey, just close to it.

Strategist says

It's not the Black Sea that caught my attention.

Once you go Black Sea, you never go backsie.

Dan8267 says

Tall, check.

Thin, check.

Blonde, check.

Not overly large breasts, check.

You forgot the "mean, drunken Russkie pimp, check."

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

It's not the Black Sea that caught my attention.

Once you go Black Sea, you never go backsie.

hhmmmm, never tried "Black Sea" How does it taste?