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YesYNot says

Canadian anchor baby. I like it. Everybody goes north to lay their anchor. Would the kid get automatic USA citizenship too? Canada will also do better in a global warming situation too, unless we stop using gas/oil.

I have to give credit to my Iranian friend. He moved his American wife to Vancouver for specifically that reason. It takes nothing away, but adds and option.

Yes, US citizenship is conferred by birth, if a parent is a US citizen. Thus, even if Obama was born in Kenya, it wouldn't mater, his mother is American. I was born on a US military base in Spain, my father was in the service.

Canada also has free college education, so ironically, we could live anywhere else all those years, then send the kid to Canada at 18 for college.

Spain is another possibility, but I haven't been there in 30 years.

Ironman says

That kid will be really fucked up if it has to live with you.

Yep, that is about as much intelligence as anybody would expect you to contribute to a conversation.

Ironman says

Actually, I was 150% truthful, and I really feel sorry for any kid you bring into the world.

I really feel sorry for your parents, what a disappointment watching there son turn into a bitter, bigoted loser full of hate must have been for them. Not to mention any kids raised by a loser like you...

I know an American with a Dutch wife who lives in France. Kids have three passports and citizenship. French speaking also give an in to Eastern Canada/Quebec.

I have an acquaintance who said he would move if George Bush Jr. got elected. He did and he did. Took all of his money and moved to Germany, where he had an American daughter with a German husband teaching. He moved back after six months because he couldn't adapt to culture shock and language. That's in a relatively civilized European country.

Ceffer says

He moved back after six months because he couldn't adapt to culture shock and language. That's in a relatively civilized European country.

I spent six months in Germany at age 14, and had a hell of a good time! to each their own I guess!
I also lived in Australia for a year, and had nothing but fun.
thailand another year, and though language/culture were challenging, I still loved the place

So, two separate questions:

Have the child in a country that has a future, and provides an option if the US really goes down the toilet.

Live for extended periods of time somewhere...

Hey, if you have the options, you have nothing to lose by exercising them. It sounds like an easy, risk free plan with good upside.

truth will find you says

Trump might win What country should I move to?

If you're seriously committed to signaling your partisan support for Islam, then move to a Muslim country. Just hope and pray your kids aren't daughters, or gay, or unbelievers, or falsely accused of stealing something, or whatever. The most miserable countries on earth have Muslim majorities, because of the dreadful consequences of that horrible religion.

Thailand has a growing Muslim problem, although you have probably not heard about the ongoing Islamic carnage.

Canada had really good prospects for a warming climate, but decided recently to join the Saudi-financed Christian martyrdom and throw itself on the Saudi sword. It's amazing how easily misled materialist westerners can be, throwing away the Enlightenment for a tiny fraction of Saudi oil revenues. The stupidity would be risible if not so tragic.

Hey, if you're really serious about "democratic" Islam, move to the Islamic "republic" of Pakistan. Just hope and pray your kids never say anything blasphemous (or laugh at a cartoon), because blasphemy is a capital offense there, as per Islam. Just ask the family of Asia Bibi. who are crying bitter tears, or the family of Osama bin Laden, who are laughing all the way to the bank.

curious2 says

If you're seriously committed to signaling your partisan commitment to Islam, t

I'm a Buddhist. That is why I'm so careful and polite in my speech.

I suppose if you expect reincarnation, you can prioritize politeness over survival. Defending Muslims and getting killed in the name of Islam might be part of your plan, and it's obviously part of the Islamic plan, but I hope you can understand even smart people think it's crazy and self-destructive to import the charlatan Mohammed's hateful fraud. Politely encouraging smokers to smoke is not a kind thing at all. It would be kinder to end smoking, and Islam.

curious2 says

Defending Muslims and getting killed in the name of Islam might be part of your plan

I defend freedom of all religion. Ever hear of a country founded on that principle, you insufferable dumbfuck?

I find that Enlightenment comes from saying simple truths:

All peace comes from within.

Fix yourself, before you fix the world.

Ironvagina is a fucking moronic bigot loser.

That kind of thing!

truth will find you says

you insufferable [bleep]?

Put your family where your mouth is, and move to a Muslim country. The founders didn't have to contend with Muslim citizens. Having seen what the Koran says, President Jefferson launched the Barbary Wars, completed by his protégé President Madison. They ended centuries of Barbaric piracy, and made America great, and Europe came along for the ride. Islam commands believers to cut off your head, and the heads of your family; you support that "freedom", and want to pay for the privilege of importing it here, and then leave when things don't go your way; I don't.

curious2 says

Put your family where your mouth is, and move to a Muslim country.

I'm not muslim.

I am an enlightened, pacifist, vegan Buddhist. I like to meditate, appreciate the beauty of nature, and call loser fucktards like you out online.

truth will find you says

I'm not muslim.

Anyone can see I never called you Muslim, but you're obviously not polite. I begin to suspect your claims to being smart and prosperous are as phony as your claim to be "polite." If you spent half as much time reading what Islam says, as you spend defending it, then you would stop defending it. Seriously, read WikiIslam instead of embarrassing yourself here.

curious2 says

If you spent half as much time reading what Islam says, as you spend defending it

ALL religions are utterly 100% horseshit. ALL.

Nevertheless, I support freedom of religion. FOR ALL. Which ironically, is one of the founding principles of the USA, that seems to go over your head.

I'm Buddhist because I like to visit temples, bang the bells, light some incense, that kind of thing.

truth will find you says

What other countries have birthright citizenship, and serve as a good hedge to the current two options that my child will have?

Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
You're welcome.

curious2 says

I suppose if you expect reincarnation, you can prioritize politeness over survival. Defending Muslims and getting killed in the name of Islam might be part of your plan, and it's obviously part of the Islamic plan, but I hope you can understand even smart people think it's crazy and self-destructive to import the charlatan Mohammed's hateful fraud. Politely encouraging smokers to smoke is not a kind thing at all. It would be kinder to end smoking, and Islam.

There are already 3.3m Muslims in the US. There are a lot of people getting very upset about trying to help an extra (heavily vetted) small percentage of that number to get back on their feet after having their lives devastated in no small part by the actions of the US over the last 15 years. It's not exactly opening the flood gates and is a mere fraction of what say Germany are doing. I guess they are the present day's demonized 'others.' People seem to be forgetting that the actions of a very small percentage are not the actions of all.

Don't move!
BOYCOTT all Rep/Con/Tea businesses,friends & family.
Been working for me for years.

This is a damning unbulleted list...

Ironman says

truth will find you says

you insufferable dumbfuck?

Malta was where a lot of the richer Irish had citizenship. It's one of the few places in the EU with low taxes, so it presents a good shield for them. They have an investment program to citizenship. So, you have to have money to do it... But I only ever heard good things from those who did do it.

Rashomon says

help an extra (heavily vetted) small percentage of that number to get back on their feet

Don't pretend to compassion when your candidate supported the wars that are driving these people out of their homes and into NATO countries, on behalf of her corporate and Saudi sponsors. If you have any sense at all, you'll shift the conversation back to where she has an advantage, e.g. SCOTUS. Don't even mention Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, nor even Serbia. You can't campaign for one of the most proific hitmen in the world, who laughed about what happened in Libya, and pretend to speak for compassion. And, seriously, read what Islam actually says. Most KKK members didn't personally lynch anyone, and most Nazis didn't personally murder anyone - though the 55,000 Muslims who joined the SS because of the similarity of their beliefs did probably murder quite a few. You don't persuade anyone when you show obvious ignorance of history and current events, e.g. the Orlando and San Bernardino murderers had passed repeated "heavy vetting," and the alleged NJ&NY bomber arrived as a refugee who got back on his feet, which were unfortunately here at the time. You produce only a backfire effect. If you had any decency, if you had any compassion, you would stop waging wars on behalf of Saudi Arabia.

Rashomon (aka tatupu), serious question: if you oppose the KKK and Nazis, how do you defend Islam? If someone tells you he was born into a family of KKKlansmen, burning crosses is part of their religion, do you say OK and offer him your lawn? If somebody walks around in KKK garb or Nazi regalia, how do you distinguish that from the hibijabis? If you read the beliefs and history of all three, you would see they have a lot in common, and Islam has killed more people than the other two combined.

truth will find you says

Likewise, he/she will have Taiwanese citizenship, but then again, with possible/likely Chinese takeover, while a very nice place to live today, it might not last forever.

Mail order bride? The ole "I wear size 14's" finally wear thin Ribas?

HydroCabron says

I'm looking at Asia.

North Korea will welcome you!

curious2 says

Don't pretend to compassion when your candidate supported the wars that are driving these people out of their homes and into NATO countries, on behalf of her corporate and Saudi sponsors.

Irrelevant to the issue at hand or the issue of compassion. And most politicians at that time supported the war.

curious2 says

If you have any sense at all, you'll shift the conversation back to where she has an advantage, e.g. SCOTUS. Don't even mention Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, nor even Serbia.

Yeah, and the saber rattling Trump would have done what exactly if he'd ever been a politician?

curious2 says

If you had any decency, if you had any compassion, you would stop waging wars on behalf of Saudi Arabia.

I think you've rather gone off the deep end.

curious2 says

Rashomon (aka tatupu)

Except I'm not.

curious2 says

if you oppose the KKK and Nazis, how do you defend Islam?

A moronically stupid question.

curious2 says

and Islam has killed more people than the other two combined.

So has Christianity. Your point?

zzyzzx is deplorable says

North Korea will welcome you!

No can do: Jong Un and FB are mutual admirers.

Rashomon says

heavily vetted

So, DHS agents duck sniper fire and mortar rounds to interview their Syrian neighbors? If their Syrian neighbors haven't fled?

A questionaire with "Are you a Fundamentalist?" is not serious vetting.

Keep in mind 100,000s of "refugees", many of them not from Syria, have real, official passports on official Syrian paper stamed with Syrian Official Stamps. They just bribed the Human Smugglers, who in turn have a Passport Official make real-fake passports for them. Name is not theirs, religion not theirs, etc.

There are Eritreans and Berbers with Syrian Passports.

@curious2

How are Unions like the Kurds?

Politicians use 'em, abuse 'em, and then when no longer useful, lose 'em.

truth will find you says

What other countries have birthright citizenship, and serve as a good hedge to the current two options that my child will have?

No other countries offer birthright citizenship other than Canada and the US. You need to be a citizen or permanent resident. How many times is this child going to be born that you are going to hedge multiple birthrights?

forgotloginagain says

Yes, US citizenship is conferred by birth, if a parent is a US citizen.

Not true. Unless you are on a military base or some other recognized US property you need to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad. The consulate determines if the child is a valid US citizen then issues the Consular Report of Birth Abroad. The other option is to apply directly for a US passport which will also convey citizenship. Until one or both are done the child is not a US citizen. The consulate has the power to deny the citizenship. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

A questionaire with "Are you a Fundamentalist?" is not serious vetting.

Why don't you go ahead the fill us all in with your detailed knowledge of the vetting process. I'm always willing to learn from the experts. Feel free to add you vast fund of knowledge and experience to the people who actually do the vetting. http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/30/the-process-for-interviewing-vetting-and-resettling-syrian-refugees-in-america-is-incredibly-long-and-thorough/

truth will find you says

curious2 says

Put your family where your mouth is, and move to a Muslim country.

I'm not muslim.

I am vegan

There it is. You're malnurished

No wonder you're so goddam stupid!

bob2356 says

No other countries offer birthright citizenship other than Canada and the US. Y

you might want to learn how to use google.... FFS!
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the ...
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html

errc says

I'm not muslim.

I am vegan

There it is. You're malnurished

No wonder you're so goddam stupid!

Well, since you are wrong about everything and generally stupid as shit, no surprise this is your opinion!

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

It's not my opinion

It's a fact. Everyone knows this.

truth will find you says

Trump might win What country should I move to?

South of the border. When and if you and your child return, you will have been instantly transformed into Hispanic minorities.

Blurtman says

South of the border. When and if you and your child return, you will have been instantly transformed into minorities.

You don't seem to read very well... so sad!

Everyone who self outed identifying personal information on the interwebs please stand up!

bob2356 says

Why don't you go ahead the fill us all in with your detailed knowledge of the vetting process. I'm always willing to learn from the experts. Feel free to add you vast fund of knowledge and experience to the people who actually do the vetting. http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/30/the-process-for-interviewing-vetting-and-resettling-syrian-refugees-in-america-is-incredibly-long-and-thorough/

No where in your article is there ANY independent verification of these stories. Asking the same questions over and over is little different than having the same questionaire filled out, over and over.

UNHCR handpicks these refugees who are in the most need of protection only after the U.N. has collected their identity documents, recorded their bio-data information, conducted iris scans, and interviewed them to determine that they are truly in need of resettlement.

An Iris scan does not tell us that you or your father is a Jihadi.

An interview is of no account and can be lied through. Kids are easily coached as the infamous Mass daycare showed.

A real vetting is like what the FBI does to give you top clearance - talking to neighbors, childhood friends, current and former co-workers.

Finally, UNHCR people are self-selected international goody-two shoes and many, if not most are not American. Many don't speak Arabic and depend on interpreters.

It would be like hiring Swedish Social Workers to determine if a violent felon from Illinois ought to be paroled, and having to rely solely upon interviews through a English-Swedish interpreter.

Finally, we are dealing with people form MENA countries, not Germany. There ain't that much in the way of records, records are generally poorly kept, and even if they are genuinely from war torn countries, much of those records would have been lost. If they have a totally fictional set of ID then they won't show up in any database.

The best bet is to keep the camps around Syria. There is no war going on in Jordan, and it's a lot cheaper to help them there, and easier for them to return.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

you might want to learn how to use google.... FFS!

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html

I can use google just fine. I forgot to say developed countries. If you want citizenship for you kids in the third world craphole then by all means go for it. A Guatemala passport would be so useful. BTW the map is way out of date. Chile eliminated unlimited birthright citizenship in 1980, you can request it but it's not automatic. Columbia is not birthright any more either. I read a few years ago Antigua and Barbados are going to or have dropped it too. They missed Lesotho. Pakistan, and Tuvalu.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the ...

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html

As happens in government bureaucracies the laws and regulations conflict. Feel free to skip the Report of Consular Birth or getting a passport and see how it works out for your kids. Be sure to show the consulate the law as written and tell them you don't need to stinking forms because your kids are citizens at birth. You will eventually get it fixed. The definition of eventually (which could be years) would depend on who is in charge at the embassy and how much they think you are interrupting their god given right to unlimited face book time, golf time, and cocktail time. Let us know how it all turns out.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

No where in your article is there ANY independent verification of these stories. Asking the same questions over and over is little different than having the same questionaire filled out, over and over.

Whatever you say dude.

bob2356 says

As happens in government bureaucracies the laws and regulations conflict. Feel free to skip the Report of Consular Birth or getting a passport and see how it works out for your kids.

Oh FFS, of course you have to file a form. What did you expect, write "US citizen" on the babies butt with a sharpie and its done? So yeah, that doesn't mean it isn't the law...

Looks like Canada is winning. I guess I'll have to learn to speak Canadian eh?