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By "finally", I'm declaring that the debates are over and that the facts remain.
To be specific, you have admitted it many times. You are declaring it again. Maybe people will respect your request to 'end the debate,' but I doubt you have changed many opinions. We all have our own life to live and our only real job is to decide how we want to live our own life. All the rest is idle chatter. On your decision - more power too you. Most people desirous of a non-traditional lifestyle have a tough time coming out of the closet, and living how they want.
Those whores will be of no help when you are old, sick, need companionship, and when you can't get it up any more.
That's always a terrible argument to stick with someone.
Rin's lifestyle is just a variation of the typical bachelor lifestyle. I get it. Who wants to invest time in all the nonsense that relations with females bring. In my 20's through mid 30's all I wanted to do was hang around with my buddies, drink beer, eat, play poker, and screw every now and then.
Most men eventually tire of that lifestyle. Maybe RIn won't, maybe he will. Money's a small price to pay for all the free time a hooker saves you.
Yes, that's the overview but what about what lies beneath the covers, how many dysfunctional and co-dependent couples are out there? And many of those ppl, don't even factor into the 50% divorce rate.
There's a huge underbelly of miserable ppl, who stay together because one, they can't fathom being alone and/or two, not be able to pay their living expenses. There's this notion that the Jerry Springer show is pure fiction. In reality, there are many aspects of our society, which are depicted in that show.
If a man makes money, he can afford hospice services for his old age. He's not dependent upon a spouse for that. In fact, what prevents his spouse from dying at an earlier year than him or even leaving him during those golden years, to play bridge with her friends?
Rin,
Why must it be choosing between one and the other?
It's a False Choice.
Those whores will be of no help when you are old, sick, need companionship, and when you can't get it up any more.
Rin,
Why must it be choosing between one and the other?
It's a False Choice.
Here it is ... for a loser middle classer, he gets married and ends up with a nagging b*tch or perhaps, just a depressed bozo, with the hope that during his golden years, he'll have companionship and some hospice care.
A guy who's basically independently wealthy, however, sets up the hospice service medical contract so that when he hits 68, a nursing assistant will continually provide him with care. That's now contractually fulfilled. He doesn't have to ponder upon it, for the years he's still young.
Between 35 and 68, instead of wasting his youth, hoping and praying to meet up with that someone special, who'll take care of him in his old age, he's banging hoes left and right, while writing the great American novel, studying advanced organo-metallic chemistry, and doing triathlons. Do you see the difference?
There is no assurance that either spouses or children will do anything to help you in old age. A lot of old age divorce starts when one partner decides they don't want to tolerate or care for the other in old age. A lot of children would just as soon croak their parents for their assets.
There's that thing that most women initiate divorce, either because they are done with the male or they think they can get the assets from the male that they married him for in the first place, or their children are reasonably grown for them not to be dependent any more.
Women also change a lot. The young, sweet, caring woman flowing with estrogen when she is young can turn into a crazed, mean psycho wombat during menopause and basically stay that way.
If you haven't noticed, a lot of female biological strategy is to fascinate men into their orbit, then spend the rest of their lives frustrating and browbeating them. Men have no choices if they want to reproduce except attempt to sequester a woman's reproductive capacities.
Look at nature. A lot of the females of the various species are nasty pieces of work and the males are star struck slaves.
Nature has a vested interest in hormonally inducing a series of delusions that result in pair bonding for the purpose of reproduction. When that's done, it doesn't give a rat's ass whether love and devotion, or even survival, continue or not unless it serves the reproductive goal.
Why are relationships so much "work"? Because you basically wind up over time having ten different relationship with somebody who has changed ten different ways but is inured to you. You never wind up with the same person you married.
Ceffer, how can you be so cynical? What about LOVE?! ... don't you want someone to care about you? ...
@Ceffer
There is a lot of truth to your comment, although I would disagree that many females in nature are "nasty pieces of work". It is difficult to evaluate the "feelings" of the males in those species. Moreover, there is so much variety in nature that you can find nice "caring" females and the opposite. I think that we (humans) have mixed tendencies mainly because of our cortex, which get in the way of our animal instincts....
@rin:
I would personally want someone who cares about me and at the same time lets me be with other women. Basically no woman would let you have that, so we have to settle for whatever makes the most sense at the time.... Plus we humans have to worry about diseases. Something that animals dont have to worry about (that we know)..
Ceffer, how can you be so cynical? What about LOVE?! ... don't you want someone to care about you? ...
The video gave me a Heart-on.
@rin:
I would personally want someone who cares about me and at the same time lets me be with other women.
That's what you need, Rin. A spouse who does all the cooking, cleaning, shopping and child rearing while bringing home a nice, juicy young hooker or two for you every week.
That would be true love.
Here's the antidote for the Heart Video, and potential Rin Theme Song.
Ceffer, how can you be so cynical? What about LOVE?! ...
To be fair, I think Strategist is just bringing up the missing piece here. Yeah, I agree that marriage for love is a false proposition (you love somebody regardless of strings attached, or else it's just selfish). But, yeah, love . . . what about relating to other human beings at a deeper level? Or are you like 'The Stranger' from Camus? I get that there are a lot of disaffected, numb folks in our fucked up post-modern society, many of which, both men and women, are not interested and mostly incapable of actual human connection. I see a lot of "bro" types that can't even have a meaningful connection with their friends outside the distractions of beer and the shooting range.
I guess we also have the right to be animals and just screw and eat.
@Philistine
I am definetely capable of love, yet I still want to screw....
To the dude paranoid about disease...to quote Ted Cruz(of all people) there's no shortage of rubbers.
@dodgerfanjohn
As long as you dont mind warts and herpes, then your comment makes perfect sense..
Disease obviously plays a role in the moral memes, whether religious or not. Women can become rapidly sterile from pelvic inflammatory disease, thus an incentive to be selective in who they have sex with, to have less sex, and to only have sex with somebody who is obviously healthy and devoted to her.
The "safest" proposition for both sexes is the pair bonding. Women don't need to worry about whether their children are genetically related. Whether for love, one night stand, or rape, women's children are always genetically related to them. Men have no such assurance, and have to basically work hard to sequester and monitor women to make sure the children are genetically related. Obviously, this doesn't always work out, either.
In committed pair bonding with two healthy people, there is the greatest assurance that shared resources and good health result in the greatest success of live births and successful progeny.
Obviously, nature doesn't rule out other options. Men can wander, and have children with other women, and this occurs on a regular basis. Women can become pregnant surreptitiously with men they desire more or consider genetically superior to their mates, and this happens regularly as well. The estimates are that about 10 percent of men wind up raising children that are not theirs biologically, often unawares.
There is also the good ole bell shaped curve. In men, sexual desire is a bell weighted heavily toward active lust, with a percentage who will always just go for it in spite of disease or self destructive tendencies. In women, the bell is weighted in the other direction, toward cautious or sporadic, intermittent indulgence, but there are also always the fringe whose appetites are extreme and they also will just go for it in spite of biological and social consequences.
However, a rigidly embedded theme is that resources flow toward the female in exchange for sex and by implication the man's opportunity to reproduce. Men virtually always wind up paying for it. They may get free nookie once in a very rare while, or they can barter for it with power, prestige and social position, but if a man wants regular sex, he is going to pay for it one way or another. Paying for a hooker is a symbolic "opportunity cost" for the pleasure and the illusion of reproductive potential.
As best as can be determined, committed lust and hormone deluded love soaked pair bonding lasts about seven to ten years, long enough to get the reproductive task accomplished. After that, all bets are off, and a lot of people are made more for serial monogamy than for lifelong committment. There are those who are into lifelong commitment and make it work, but I wouldn't say that they are the rule, in spite of society's view that this is the norm.
Rin,
Dating does not mean you hafta get a spouse.
And having a spouse doesn't mean you hafta give up whoring.
Warts are a casualty of war. If you like lots of sex partners you will get warts, hookers or not.
Herpes is mostly only if you're not reasonably careful with partners. Condoms are still pretty effective.
For Thunderlips, here's the music video of my retirement years, Robert Palmer's "Simply Resistible" ...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UrGw_cOgwa8
Yes, I'm Rob!
Warts just mean you need more KY, no bigee!
The big ones can even function as French ticklers!
By "finally" do you mean this is the last time?
Turtledove made a funny.
What if there was a woman out there that was worthy of your love ?
Lol. Just kidding.
There is no assurance that either spouses or children will do anything to help you in old age. A lot of old age divorce starts when one partner decides they don't want to tolerate or care for the other in old age. A lot of children would just as soon croak their parents for their assets.
There's that thing that most women initiate divorce, either because they are done with the male or they think they can get the assets from the male that they married him for in the first place, or their children are reasonably grown for them not to be dependent any more.
Women also change a lot. The young, sweet, caring woman flowing with estrogen when she is young can turn into a crazed, mean psycho wombat during menopause and basically stay that way.
Here it is ... for a loser middle classer, he gets married and ends up with a nagging b*tch or perhaps, just a depressed bozo, with the hope that during his golden years, he'll have companionship and some hospice care.
A guy who's basically independently wealthy, however, sets up the hospice service medical contract so that when he hits 68, a nursing assistant will continually provide him with care. That's now contractually fulfilled. He doesn't have to ponder upon it, for the years he's still young.
Between 35 and 68, instead of wasting his youth, hoping and praying to meet up with that someone special, who'll take care of him in his old age, he's banging hoes left and right, while writing the great American novel, studying advanced organo-metallic chemistry, and doing triathlons. Do you see the difference?
Aren't you guys being a little sexist here? You guys are just assuming women are just sex machines who want to take you for all your money. Women can make money too.
Here is an example:
3 months ago I rented one of my condos to a pretty lady. Who was she??? A lead attorney for a Fortune 500 company. Her income $1 million. Lived in a multi million dollar home. Extremely intelligent, fair and decent. So why would she want to live in a little condo? It was a divorce situation. Her husband did not do anything, and the law allowed him to stay in the multi million dollar home.
My point is....what applies to a man, also applies to a woman.
Those whores will be of no help when you are old, sick, need companionship, and when you can't get it up any more
We do have a 50% divorce rates and the true whores take half of everything you earned and then some and leave you high and dry, while banging some young dude-in what used to be your house.
Rin,
Sure. You can be honest about it. Do whatever makes you happy. Why do you care about what others have to say? Marriage is not for everyone as boning hoes is not for everyone. Keep boning. :o)
Is Patrick going to come up with a rent vs. buy calculator for hookers vs. wives?
Is Patrick going to come up with a rent vs. buy calculator for hookers vs. wives?
Pat needs to come up with a very sophisticated algo for this one.
In rent vs buy for a home/condo, every participant is expected to spend 7x24 in that abode, outside of work. Thus, a home is still a home, regardless of the financing situation.
In this situation, many guys don't want to spend any additional time with a hoe, outside of a bang and some erotic conversation.
And thus, it'll be a boink frequency/experience buy vs rent, vs a 7x24 calendar thing.
Also, we can dispense with these so-called meaningful conversation epochs, as if the average spouse is discussing philosophy or political science. Please, give me a f*cking break! Many conversations between couples involve the bills, the chores, and other mundane daily activities.
Plus, after marriage, how many women want to give a t*tty f*ck, blow job, or a threesome with another gal? Exactly, those opportunities drop asymptotically after marriage.
Can I finally admit that I'd rather fuck whores than date?
Yes. You always could. Duh.
I dunno Rin, for someone who wasn't in a marriage you sure have a lot to say about what goes on in one.
It sounds a bit like the marriage counseling from a Catholic priest.
This thread reminds me of something I saw on Right This Minute yesterday where they were playing a clip from JohnTV where they had a drone getting pics of a 75 year old man banging a 27 year old prostitute in his truck.
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Seriously, can't a guy be honest these days?