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Rin says

Woman wants to be the first, to give birth on Mars

Wow. A real Martian. That kid will be an instant celebrity.

Strategist says

Rin says

Woman wants to be the first, to give birth on Mars

Wow. A real Martian. That kid will be an instant celebrity.

Without a Martian consulate, to put up the papers, he'll be an illegal alien, much like the rest of the crew.

Realize, a baby born in Japan to let's say American or Korean national parents, aren't given Japanese citizenship.

Rin says

Strategist says

Rin says

Woman wants to be the first, to give birth on Mars

Wow. A real Martian. That kid will be an instant celebrity.

Without a Martian consulate, to put up the papers, he'll be an illegal alien, much like the rest of the crew.

Realize, a baby born in Japan to let's say American or Korean national parents, aren't given Japanese citizenship.

Do you know how much it will cost us to deport him to Mars? And what if he sneaks back in?

WTF is going on with NASA and ESA and JAXA and CNSA that they won't tether two payloads together and spin them about their center of mass? Is zero G so glamorous that we can't experiment with living in artificial gravity?

It's one of the biggest holes in space research, yet here come the Chinese with (yawn) another LEO space station. It's like fucking NASCAR in space: millions of miles of turning left, day in and day out. Zzzzzz ...

I admire her spunk, or seeking of same.

Mars is a tough cookie. It's unfortunate we don't have a more earthlike planet next door. Water and basic resources will be much harder to get. As long as they preposition a generously-sized power plant though and at least a years worth of supplies I think it's worth a shot.

I just hope she names the kid Valentine Smith.

Do Martians give birthright citizenship??

Strategist says

Do you know how much it will cost us to deport him to Mars?

Then by the Executive Order of the UN Security council, he's declared a citizen of the Earth!

Then, his mother can petition the British consulate to get him a UK passport.

lostand confused says

Do Martians give birthright citizenship??

No, there's no consulate there. The planet's been vacated for the past billion years. The 'John Carter' movie was BS.

Rin says

lostand confused says

Do Martians give birthright citizenship??

No, there's no consulate there. The planet's been vacated for the past billion years. The 'John Carter' movie was BS.

But the Jack Nicholson movie, "Mars Attacks." was true-was it not??

lostand confused says

But the Jack Nicholson movie, "Mars Attacks." was true-was it not??

This remains me of an old saying ... 'What does a roll of toilet paper and the Starship Enterprise have in common?'

'They both fight Klingons around Uranus.'

HydroCabron says

At 50-55km, the temperatures are between 0C and 75C. There's a band at around 52km where the temperature remains strictly between 0C and 50C (32F and 122F).

I think it's easier to colonize space independently of these nasty planets.
You can control the environment perfectly.
You can create gravity though appropriate rotation.
No need to escape a planet's gravity to come back.
And if you have to recycle human waste anyway, you might as well do that in space.

Plus you can go anywhere you want without being bothered by the neighbors.

Heraclitusstudent says

Plus you can go anywhere you want without being bothered by the neighbors.

And it's affordable.

http://www.buymars.com/mars-land

Heraclitusstudent says

I think it's easier to colonize space independently of these nasty planets.

There are a lot of university/government and armchair space planners who have come to the same conclusion.

I think classical science fiction and Hollywood have done us a real disservice by glamorizing Mars. We want another planet like Earth, and Mars isn't it. Even Elon Musk, proud as he is of being a maverick, says he wants to die on Mars - since getting there is far easier than living there, he might well get his wish sooner than intended.

It seems like the human vestibular system can adjust to spinning habitats, and 2 rpm is doable for nearly anybody. If slow rates are desired, just make the diameter of the habitat larger.

(It could be that nearly anybody can handle 10 rpm - the main problem seems to be going from not spinning to spinning, and back, just as astronauts have problems going from Earth to microgravity, and microgravity to Earth, but not when living in one or the other.)

That leaves radiation shielding as the only problem without a clear solution, as yet.

I hope we get out of low Earth orbit soon. There's a limit to what we can learn there.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Heraclitusstudent says

Plus you can go anywhere you want without being bothered by the neighbors.

And it's affordable.

http://www.buymars.com/mars-land

Ahhh, but can you get a 3.5% down, no doc, FHA loan to purchase?

Martians aren't that stupid. It's all cash or kiss my Martian ass.

Here's the Mar's One article:

http://news.yahoo.com/private-mars-one-colony-project-cuts-applicant-pool-195320913.html

Basically, a bunch of ppl are competing so that they can be the first dead ppl on a distant planet. What a goal in life?

Last I'd checked, ppl on this earth competed to become rich and famous, so that they could spend their years on a beach in Tahiti.

Do the grocery stores take WIC in Space?

Martian-human hybrid.

Sorry folks, until we have something equivalent to a warp drive, even if it's 50% light speed, I wouldn't take a trip outside of earth's low orbital atmosphere.

The only place worth visiting in our solar system are the rings of Saturn. Now those are some of the great wonders of space.

The fact that a bunch of retards want to hang out on a dead red planet, makes no sense to me. Why not just move to the Mohave desert and dehydrate oneself for kicks?! It's basically the same view, though there's still O2 out in the CA deserts.

Rin says

The fact that a bunch of retards want to hang out on a dead red planet, makes no sense to me. Why not just move to the Mohave desert and dehydrate oneself for kicks?! It's basically the same view, though there's still O2 out in the CA deserts.

I like the contention that we should first colonize the Sahara, the Atacama, Antarctica, the sea floor, or even Fresno before trying Mars.

We have no knowledge of what happens to the human body in .38G over even a few weeks.

Mars:

Landing: Difficult
Takeoff: Difficult
Gravity: .38G - effects undetermined; long journey at 0G
Cosmic radiation: Plenty
Habitats: Pressurized, shielded, and insulated
Resources: Water, perchlorates; import everything else
Mobility: Low to none
View: Monotonous

Lunar poles:

Landing: Easy
Takeoff: Easy
Gravity: .16G - effects unknown
Cosmic radiation: Plenty
Habitats: Pressurized, shielded, insulated
Resources: Water; low-cost transport of everything else from Earth
Mobility: Low to none; better than Mars
View: Monotonous

Venus, 52km altitude:

Landing: Easy, similar to Earth aerobraking
Takeoff: Hard
Gravity: .9G - effects likely minimal
Cosmic radiation: None
Habitats: Unpressurized, unshielded, and sealed only to prevent diffusion; many current materials will resist sulfuric acid; temperatures milder than most of Earth; spacious quarters can be supported easily in the CO2 atmosphere
Resources: Plentiful; water, carbon dioxide, nitrogen; grow trees, plants; omnidirectional solar energy 2x that on Earth
Mobility: Excellent; go outside in light unpressurized suit w/ breather; circle the planet every 100 hours
View: Possibly spectacular, probably not monotonous; depends on cloud deck composition

Europa or Callisto:

Landing: Easy
Takeoff: Easy
Gravity: At least your toothbrush and feces will stay where you put them; similar to Moon - if .15G is sufficient to avoid the effects of weightlessness, these are enticing environments, because there are no dust storms and winds as on Mars
Cosmic radiation: Yes; Europa worse than Callisto, due to Jupiter's radiation belts
Habitats: Shielded, pressurized, heated
Resources: Water plentiful
Mobility: Low
View: Spectacular, but maybe monotonous

If we ever colonize nearby planets, Venus will have far more inhabitants than Mars, thanks to far more abundant solar energy and liquids, and the ability to build extremely spacious habitats (thousands of square miles) cheaply.

We should be building rotating habitats in low-Earth orbit, and then at Earth-Moon or Sun-Earth Lagrange points, and experimenting with light superconductive materials for radiation shielding. Then we can figure out what rotation rate humans can live in, how much G prevents bone loss, muscle loss, and vision impairment. It could be that Mars 0.38G is enough.

There is enough water and metals in the asteroid belt to support 1 trillion humans in rotating habitats. Far more if we include Kuiper belt objects and probable asteroids in Uranus's L4 and L5 points.

Google "floating turd Apollo 10" for a moving tale of 0G: (Cernan: "Here's another goddam turd. What's the matter with you guys?").

HydroCabron says

Google "floating turd Apollo 10" for a moving tale of 0G: (Cernan: "Here's another goddam turd. What's the matter with you guys?").

Any tales of low gravity boinking?

Heraclitusstudent says

Any tales of low gravity boinking?

At least one husband-wife team has been on ISS. The astronauts operate on a "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" code, so no word.

As for homo on Apollo, Skylab, Mir or ISS: not a word.

I think it's supposed to require straps or pushing against opposite walls by both partners, because thrusting tends to push the bodies apart.

They just need to train female astronauts to scoop up floating blobs of fluid with their vaginas while rotating in zero G. That way, the male astros can just wank and release.

"Hey, flo, go vacuum up that floating sperm with your vagina. And while you're at it, get me a tube of coffee!"

Of course, this might give rise to feminist resentments. They might decide they hate men, and because they can't shave, they could take out their resentments by eating mounds of packaged chocolate and ice cream, thus becoming the first IMMENSE HIRSUTE LESBIANS IN SPACE!

Ha, gotcha!

I've thought about this. Imagine the ease of woman on top? You could pull her up and down with perfect ease. And no gravity working against your ... ahem, manly parts.

Quigley says

Imagine the ease of woman on top?

Define "on top".

if she had any marital skills, she would be saying her baby would be the first human born on Mars, instead of making this about her being the first mother.