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Unions are destroying the greatness of this country.

Really only public unions.

indigenous says

Really only public unions.

No, I think it's collective bargaining in all forms of labor.

When companies engage in collective bargaining they are charged with the crime of collusion. The same should happen to labor.

indigenous says

HEY YOU says

The Right wing needs to get off it's ass and demand charges of treason for any R/C/T that receives any form of assistance funded by tax dollars.

The vast majority vote their pocket book, IOW Democrat.

Thanks,
It's good to know that there aren't any R/C/Ts part of any Big Govt. Redistribution programs. I was about to call R/C/Ts, freeloading hypocrites. I should have remembered that the they believe in "personal responsibility" & would never accept handouts in any form even if their children were hungry. They would never accept a govt. job or join a union because they believe in free market enterprise & that they can make it on their own & create high paying jobs for other true believers. It's too bad everyone doesn't have that quality of character.

Peter P says

No, I think it's collective bargaining in all forms of labor.

Not really because the market place gets rid of companies who are handicapped with union burdens. E.G. GM would be gone if not for O's illegal bailout.

HEY YOU says

It's good to know that there aren't any R/C/Ts part of any Big Govt. Redistribution programs. I was about to call R/C/Ts, freeloading hypocrites. I should have remembered that the they believe in "personal responsibility" & would never accept handouts in any form even if their children were hungry. They would never accept a govt. job or join a union because they believe in free market enterprise & that they can make it on their own & create high paying jobs for other true believers. It's too bad everyone doesn't have that quality of character.

I did not say all.

indigenous says

HEY YOU says

It's good to know that there aren't any R/C/Ts part of any Big Govt. Redistribution programs. I was about to call R/C/Ts, freeloading hypocrites. I should have remembered that the they believe in "personal responsibility" & would never accept handouts in any form even if their children were hungry. They would never accept a govt. job or join a union because they believe in free market enterprise & that they can make it on their own & create high paying jobs for other true believers. It's too bad everyone doesn't have that quality of character.

I did not say all.

You did not say that. I said that & anyone's welcome to disprove it.

BTW, I don't vote for Democrats.

HEY YOU says

BTW, I don't vote for Democrats.

If the label fits...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/_fivBoHfgEs

indigenous says

Not really because the market place gets rid of companies who are handicapped with union burdens. E.G. GM would be gone if not for O's illegal bailout.

That is like saying stealing from your employer is okay because the market place gets rid of companies who are handicapped with employee theft.

In an ideal world, employees should be more like independent contractors. Both sides get some flexibility.

A universal healthcare system will be necessarily in that world.

Peter P says

That is like saying stealing from your employer is okay because the market place gets rid of companies who are handicapped with employee theft.

The problem is when there is no accountability, the market place creates accountability to the greater good. Unless it is manipulated by the state.

indigenous says

The problem is when there is no accountability, the market place creates accountability to the greater good.

No, the market place will simply work around unaccountability, creating chaos While I prefer less regulation, I also favor order over chaos.

That said, concepts like job security and income predictability are bad for both employers and employees.

Peter P says

No, the market place will simply work around unaccountability, creating chaos

The very definition of the market prevents that from happening.

Don't these creeps jack up their pension by working overtime too. Then you wonder so many are incarcerated-how else can they justify this pay.

For firemen and police they also claim workers comp and go out on disability which has the added plus of not paying tax on their pensions from that point on.

indigenous says

HEY YOU says

The Right wing needs to get off it's ass and demand charges of treason for any R/C/T that receives any form of assistance funded by tax dollars.

The vast majority vote their pocket book, IOW Democrat.

You want to put up some kind of documentation that the vast majority of police are democrat or is it just another inditenous it's true because I believe it should be true statement.

bob2356 says

You want to put up some kind of documentation that the vast majority of police are democrat or is it just another inditenous it's true because I believe it should be true statement.

No it stands to reason, you mutts will probably put up something to the contrary, knock yourself out.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

You want to put up some kind of documentation that the vast majority of police are democrat or is it just another inditenous it's true because I believe it should be true statement.

No it stands to reason, you mutts will probably put up something to the contrary, knock yourself out.

It stands to reason how? Your reasoning has been pretty faulty pretty often.

bob2356 says

indigenous says

HEY YOU says

The Right wing needs to get off it's ass and demand charges of treason for any R/C/T that receives any form of assistance funded by tax dollars.

The vast majority vote their pocket book, IOW Democrat.

You want to put up some kind of documentation that the vast majority of police are democrat or is it just another inditenous it's true because I believe it should be true statement.

It's NJ. Just about every rep is democrat in this state. The Port Authority is a joke police department that mans the tolls/bridges. They raise them each year and this is where the money goes. It's always been known that these jobs are only for friends and family of political figures in NJ. No one gets hired there without a phone call from the right people. You look at the demographics of the politicians in Bergen/Hudson county and you do the math.

bob2356 says

It stands to reason how? Your reasoning has been pretty faulty pretty often.

Because Ds get elected by public unions. Mine is less faulty than yours.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Ask him about the CRA.

Talk about not backing something up, just endless tautology

No it stands to reason, you mutts will probably put up something to the contrary, knock yourself out.

Every cop i know votes for the GOP, and i live in San Francisco.

Jimbo in SF says

Every cop i know votes for the GOP, and i live in San Francisco.

That settles it then, you are a mutt...

indigenous says

Jimbo in SF says

Every cop i know votes for the GOP, and i live in San Francisco.

That settles it then, you are a mutt...

Hey, im just telling you what i hear from my cop buddies. Its gotten to the stage that we dont discuss politics anymore cause i know how strongly they feel, tryng to convince me to vote GOP.

Do they spike their pensions or go out on disability?

indigenous says

Do they spike their pensions or go out on disability?

Don't all cops?

Jimbo in SF says

Don't all cops?

If they are true believers they would not...

indigenous says

Jimbo in SF says

Don't all cops?

If they are true believers they would not...

I agree, they are total hypocrites.

I think SF is so left leaning that it has a higher than normal share of cop haters. So the cops are GOP voters, while taking advantage of their union benefits.

you should see their pension checks....

over 15k each month with full medical paid for.

Goooooood moooooorning!

indigenous says

bob2356 says

It stands to reason how? Your reasoning has been pretty faulty pretty often.

Because Ds get elected by public unions. Mine is less faulty than yours.

and the only public union is cops? yep perfect reasoning, NOT. I can see why you don't understand CRA either.

Instead of your version of "reason" (LOL) maybe try finding something to back it up. Nah, only mutts actually provide facts instead of feelings. Feelings are much more reliable.

I'm guessing gay shit tzu...

indigenous says

Jimbo in SF says

Every cop i know votes for the GOP, and i live in San Francisco.

That settles it then, you are a mutt...

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

And memes. The MEMES!

How could I forget the memes?

Meme,
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The sun shines east, the sun shines west,
I know where the sun shines best
Meme,
My little meme,
My heartstrings are tangled around Alabemmy.
I'm comin',
Sorry that I made you wait.
I'm comin',
Hope and trust that I'm not late, oh oh oh
Meme,
My little Meme,
I'd walk a million miles
For one of your smiles,
My Meme! Oh oh oh

bob2356 says

and the only public union is cops? yep perfect reasoning, NOT

Sactly, I did not say that but you somehow inferred it, as goes more along with your "I will point out your illogic". Funny most of the time you are the one suffering from this common malady.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

sent the banks off of the tracks since, say, the Garn St-Germain was just a bad idea being peddled by industry.

That part he has right as that is when the bank starting centralizing. It is also when the banks had to demonstrate that they were "good citizens" and needed "public organizations" to vouch for them ergo the CRA. Which was started by Carter and completely morphed by Clinton.

Once again this book explains it: "Fragile by Design", written by a Columbia business school professor.

sbh says

and NATURAL law! Stand up when I say it, mutt!

And then there is the alcohol addled brain...

indigenous says

bob2356 says

and the only public union is cops? yep perfect reasoning, NOT

Sactly, I did not say that but you somehow inferred it, as goes more along with your "I will point out your illogic". Funny most of the time you are the one suffering from this common malady.

You said about cops "The vast majority vote their pocket book, IOW Democrat." and "Ds get elected by public unions" and "it stands to reason" that cops are voting democrat. There really isn't much logic or connection there anyway, but the implication (the only thing available since you are never willing to stand up and make a definative statement under any circumstance, I can see why you would use Aquinas and Aristotle) is that cops are voting in democrats to office as a quid pro quo for generous benefits and salaries. The logic problem is there is no evidence at all the cops are actually voting democrat. Your logic goes unions are democratic voters> cops belong to unions> cops are voting democrat. I realize you really aren't very good a logic but even you should see the fallacy in this.

Post on #6 :

indigenous says

HEY YOU says

The Right wing needs to get off it's ass and demand charges of treason for any R/C/T that receives any form of assistance funded by tax dollars.

The vast majority vote their pocket book, IOW Democrat.

And post # 11:

indigenous says

Really only public unions.

bob2356 says

I realize you really aren't very good a logic but even you should see the fallacy in this.

As should you realize that it is a reasonable assumption.

indigenous says

Post on #6 :

The topic was police, everyone was talking about police, HEY YOU was satirizing police, you were clearly talking about police, you responded to my comment about proving police voted D. Don't be a weasel, even though that's what you do best.