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Peter P says

Emotions like greed and fear are real enemies to this process.

this is why the yogis always say that its dangerous to do certain things at certain stages. the first thing required is removing those sorts of emotions. there's enormous energy in every person, so you have to make sure the machine is in working order before you turn on the power. i believe mostly in what yogis teach, reincarnation, etc.

most ppl are not at the stage where this information is useful so they will ignore it or block it, doesn't matter to me.

its important not to get carried away with career and money otherwise you ignore the important things.

The Original Bankster says

its important not to get carried away with career and money otherwise you ignore the important things.

Very true. In fact, both career and money may even suffer.

The Original Bankster says

Peter P says

Well said. Some call it aura or chakra but it is all intuitive.

chakras are a real thing, but ppl contort this knowledge quite a bit. To get to the level where this knowledge is useful you need to do a lot of work.

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And if you believe this I have a bridge to sell you too!

what does that have to do with chakras?

The Original Bankster says

i believe mostly in what yogis teach, reincarnation, etc.

TOB's website link communicates what he is destined to be reincarnated as. It's a telepathic warning from his future self, but he Ignores the message.

curious2 says

The Original Bankster says

i believe mostly in what yogis teach, reincarnation, etc.

TOB's website link communicates what he is destined to be reincarnated as. It's a telepathic warning from his future self, but he Ignores the message.

yes Im a spiritual person, the liberal philosophy doesnt allow it.

The Original Bankster says

its important not to get carried away with career and money otherwise you ignore the important things.

Or get to a stage where career and money do not affect you anymore. I think initially it is good to stay away for periods to build your inner strength. but attaining the skill of being in the center of all the action and still not being affected/carried away by any of it-is a very nice skill to have. When strength and sense of well being comes from that core inside of you, rather than beliefs or passing fancies-it is indeed a joyous/but very still place to be .

The Original Bankster says

what does that have to do with chakras?

Both are silly nonsense.

New Renter says

The Original Bankster says

what does that have to do with chakras?

Both are silly nonsense.

In Asian martial arts, even soft forms like Tai Chi, the idea is to build a strong concentration with the Dantien a.k.a 2nd chakra, to enhance one's strength & fluidity w/o necessarily only depending upon strength exercises like squats and pushups. So far, this has resulted in health benefits in Tai Chi & Qigong practitioners throughout China for a number of decades. So if it's a placebo effect, as many doctors believe it is, well, it's a rather reliable one.

Ceffer says

I am glad there is no telepathy. Otherwise, I would be beaten and imprisoned on a daily basis.

Imagine the havoc on the legal profession!

Rin says

So if it's a placebo effect, as many doctors believe it is, well, it's a rather reliable one.

All of my MD friends dismiss the validity of alternative medicine. I do not blame them.

It is all too human to glorify a specialized education, especially one that costed so much to acquire. After all, the human existence is heavily influenced, if not driven, by cognitive biases.

Rin says

New Renter says

The Original Bankster says

what does that have to do with chakras?

Both are silly nonsense.

In Asian martial arts, even soft forms like Tai Chi, the idea is to build a strong concentration with the Dantien a.k.a 2nd chakra, to enhance one's strength & fluidity w/o necessarily only depending upon strength exercises like squats and pushups. So far, this has resulted in health benefits in Tai Chi & Qigong practitioners throughout China for a number of decades. So if it's a placebo effect, as many doctors believe it is, well, it's a rather reliable one.

Right up there with tiger dong Viagra;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_penis_soup

Does it work? As a placebo maybe for some. Bad for tigers though.

Peter P says

All of my MD friends dismiss the validity of alternative medicine. I do not blame them.

Well, in Boston, Herb Benson is actually trying to change that ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Benson

New Renter says

Right up there with tiger dong Viagra;

The former is a series of physical exercises, the latter are a bunch of contaminated weeds or wasted meat products, where the medicinal components haven't been isolated & compartmentalized, much like the active ingredient of garlic, allicin, which is an effective antibiotic.

Rin says

active ingredient of garlic, allicin, which is an effective antibiotic.

So while taking activated-stabilized Allicin has been effective in controlling MSRA infections in the UK, eating garlic bulbs will never do the trick.

This is why one needs real STEM folks, studying folk medicine and Qigong practices, not religious types. But unfortunately, if one's not independently wealthy, chances are, one's grant money will be rescinded in time.

Vicente says

Imagine the havoc on the legal profession!

actually having a profession that requires lying such as Lawyer basically destroys these faculties completely.

Rin says

This is why one needs real STEM folks, studying folk medicine and Qigong practices, not religious types.

IMO organized religion would be turned inside-out, once parishioners found out what their leaders REALLY thought about them, or about the money-grubbing aspects of what they do.

Vicente says

IMO organized religion would be turned inside-out, once parishioners found out what their leaders REALLY thought about them, or about the money-grubbing aspects of what they do.

Your opinion is contrary to observable evidence: religious leaders have been exposed countless times, but parishioners continue to pay.

curious2 says

Your opinion is contrary to observable evidence: religious leaders have been exposed countless times, but parishioners continue to pay.

There's a difference between suspecting your leaders think you are fools and KNOWING as a fact.

Witness for example recent events with NSA. Nearly everyone grew up thinking the alphabet-agenices are probably listening to everything everywhere. But once it was rubbed in all our faces by Edward Snowden it suddenly became a Big F#$king Deal.

curious2 says

religious leaders have been exposed countless times, but parishioners continue to pay.

There is a difference between illusion and delusion.

Vicente says

But once it was rubbed in all our faces by Edward Snowden it suddenly became a Big F#$king Deal.

Did it? Can you name anyone who lost a job over it, whom most people have even heard of? Has anything changed?

Peter P says

There is a difference between illusion and delusion.

Yes, but the issue is people's indifference to objective reality. As a member of Romnesia's cult explained, it doesn't matter whether the underwear are really magic, what matters is you agree to believe they are, and thus you become part of a community of faith.

Rin says

New Renter says

Right up there with tiger dong Viagra;

The former is a series of physical exercises, the latter are a bunch of contaminated weeds or wasted meat products, where the medicinal components haven't been isolated & compartmentalized, much like the active ingredient of garlic, allicin, which is an effective antibiotic.

Very true. The benefits of exercise are obvious. The chakra's however are less so.

Now if someone can put up scientifically verifiable evidence of the authenticity of chakras I'm perfectly willing to alter my opinion.

New Renter says

Now if someone can put up scientifically verifiable evidence of the authenticity of chakras I'm perfectly willing to alter my opinion.

The only chakra I know off, is the 2nd one, or the Dantien in Chinese internal martial arts.

I've been waiting for Benson's group to conduct the research, since many of them have trained in Tai Chi and Qigong but it appears that like a lot of ppl, who're not independently wealthy, they can't do the real work which is needed here.

So I'm afraid you'll have to wait for me to do that work, and show, whether or not, Tai Chi/Qigong actually improves nervous, lymphatic, and endocrine system functions, via using exercises that stimulate the region around the Dantien.

Science is too slow. Sometimes, speculative knowledge is just as useful.

Peter P says

Science is too slow. Sometimes, speculative knowledge is just as useful.

It's not the science, it's that ppl can't work on what they want.

They need to pander to grant committees, with group think like nano-catalysis, which was surface/applied chemistry in the past or green energy, which means generating an inefficient supply of H2.

If I recall my earlier days in Boston, that Benson team had met with tons of Qigong and Tai Chi instructors and practitioners. Many of these ppl have every good health and joint flexibility, into their 60s and 70s. Yet, in place of studying how/why the so-called 2nd chakra based exercises and visualizations have ppl feeling healthier, they fallback onto this alpha brain waves, as the reason why hypertension is lower in ppl who meditate. Ok, well that was so 1980s, that it's not even worth mentioning anymore.

So instead of waiting for scientists to do their jobs, I simply practice these exercises, before/after weight lifting, aerobics, or martial arts, and so far, so good.

Peter P says

Science is too slow. Sometimes, speculative knowledge is just as useful.

Yes, just ask Steve Jobs

New Renter says

Peter P says

Science is too slow. Sometimes, speculative knowledge is just as useful.

Yes, just ask Steve Jobs

Positing that he could have been saved by other methods is itself speculative.

Rin says

So instead of waiting for scientists to do their jobs, I simply practice these exercises, before/after weight lifting, aerobics, or martial arts, and so far, so good.

Smart choice. It is all down to downside/upside or risk/reward. :-)

Peter P says

New Renter says

Peter P says

Science is too slow. Sometimes, speculative knowledge is just as useful.

Yes, just ask Steve Jobs

Positing that he could have been saved by other methods is itself speculative.

I believe Jobs did some normal meditation, which has minimal impact outside of hypertension, whereas the Qigong practioners, who'd lasted much longer than their doctors had predicted, typically do moving exercises for a couple of hours per day. At the same time, if they're getting radiation or chemotherapy, it also assists in their general resilience.

All and all, it's better to do it than to either succumb to the disease or to the complications of treating it.

Peter P says

New Renter says

Peter P says

Science is too slow. Sometimes, speculative knowledge is just as useful.

Yes, just ask Steve Jobs

Positing that he could have been saved by other methods is itself speculative.

I never said he could have been saved although he likely could have been, as his cancer was caught early and was not normally fatal with conventional treatment. I did however imply his relying on unproven holistic mumbo jumbo did him no good when he needed it most.

http://www.quora.com/Why-did-Steve-Jobs-choose-not-to-effectively-treat-his-cancer

New Renter says

I never said he could have been saved. I did however imply his relying on unproven holistic mumbo jumbo did him no good when he needed it most.

That was a trade he chose to make, which may have helped or hurt.

Anyone with an invested science or medical background would never approve anyway. To them, it was a forgone conclusion.

Meditation and exercise are great and certainly worth doing. They should not however be used exclusively to treat cancer, especially when effective medical treatments areavailable. In conjunction with such treatment I can see they can help.

Peter P says

New Renter says

I never said he could have been saved. I did however imply his relying on unproven holistic mumbo jumbo did him no good when he needed it most.

That was a trade he chose to make, which may have helped or hurt.

Anyone with an invested science or medical background would never approve anyway. To them, it was a forgone conclusion.

First of all, Jobs went for some Vegan diet with meditation. I mean WTF?

If he took let's say 20x of Allicin pills (the MSRA plus dosage, tested in Britain, along with curcumin) or some other anti-tumor therapy, ok, then he's a pioneer in trying new things, but his approach was that of an idiot.

But sure, before even starting the above, he should have done the minor surgery in removing a few of the Pancreatic tissue which was out of control.

Rin says

First of all, Jobs went for some Vegan diet with meditation.

Are you sure? Back then I saw him at my favorite sushi restaurant every other time. Was he just having Kappa Maki?

Peter P says

Rin says

First of all, Jobs went for some Vegan diet with meditation.

Are you sure? Back then I saw him at my favorite sushi restaurant every other time. Was he just having Kappa Maki?

I never said that he didn't cheat on it.

Well, I qualify as a part-time Vegan. I eat animal products only during meals.

Peter P says

New Renter says

I never said he could have been saved. I did however imply his relying on unproven holistic mumbo jumbo did him no good when he needed it most.

That was a trade he chose to make, which may have helped or hurt.

Anyone with an invested science or medical background would never approve anyway. To them, it was a forgone conclusion.

It was. As the link stated the cancer was caught early and it was a type not normally fatal when conventionally treated.

Can you point to any scientific studies or better yet medical cases in which the same type of cancer was sucessfully treated exclusively using the same methods used by Jobs?

Probably not. Why? Because few people are willing to restrict themselves to a placebo when they are staring death in the face. They will try anything and everything to keep from dying.

That affects medical research as well, however a good study will account for that as best as possible. Most alternative medicine folk just assume theirtreatment is what worked.

Jobs did not wait for scientific studies in which people would exclusively prefer the iPhone either.

Peter P says

Jobs did not wait for scientific studies in which people would exclusively prefer the iPhone either.

That didn't happen either. My android and millions more prove it.