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Strategist says

We could make it a topless bar. Keep your hands to yourself, Rin.

its a formula that was worked for millenia. Cold Refreshing drinks and topless girls. Can't beat that monetization model.

every notice something?

Jerky - cheap tacky low class food

Bresaola - uber awesome epicurian treat

basically its the same shit, different name. You can get some really good jerky in AZ if you know where to get it.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

You have to admit the steel cage angle is compelling.

why beat around the bush?

there's only one way youre gonna get ppl into that bar

its been proven that even 'straight' women like to watch strippers.

strippers can improve your health, theyre all-natural, helps the economy, and you're *buying local*.

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't. it's all lies and propaganda from nasty old women.

The Original Bankster says

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't.

You can't touch them.

Strategist says

The Original Bankster says

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't.

You can't touch them.

those are HOOKERS. different story altogether.

The Original Bankster says

Strategist says

The Original Bankster says

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't.

You can't touch them.

those are HOOKERS. different story altogether.

So you can touch strippers, or you can't? I'm confused.

Strategist says

So you can touch strippers, or you can't? I'm confused.

you can try, but then you have to contend with this guy:

Is "competitive wine" anything like "competitive eating"?

The Original Bankster says

Strategist says

So you can touch strippers, or you can't? I'm confused.

you can try, but then you have to contend with this guy:

I'm not confused anymore. :( :( :(

zzyzzx says

Is "competitive wine" anything like "competitive eating"?

seriously who wants to go to drink place to compete!? thats what youre doing at work. much less use your cell phone? wow this is a horrible idea!

In my best shark tank voice, bad idea.

Lomatta Prieatta Whine Bar, where all those 6.0 pantsshitters can go to 'shake the shakes'...

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

How about this:

Get three tastings right in a row - or five in an evening - and get tossed into the steel cage with three naked dancing girls and spend the rest of the evening pestorking...

A tired formula. Starbucks was there first. People want something different, beyond just the usual Bacchanale of writhing nubile bodies and prostate-draining multiple ecstasies.

The competitions you're talking about could be just one feature.

I think a wine bar that featured tasting sized pours of several excellent wines, but at not too much of a markup above a wholesale price, could be a successful place.

If it's combined with a wine store, you could do the bar as almost a loss leader in terms of pricing (still enough of a markup to cover overhead though). Sell the bottles of wines people have to have at closer to retail, but still a very fair price.

Probably tricky, because the key is getting really great wines at great prices, which probably requires amazing connections. You have to be good at buying them yourself, because all the big names that get great reviews aren't going to be available for good prices. Probably not available at all.

So you have to be able to identify and buy the good ones that haven't been so highly reviewed (yet).

I personally can't afford an expensive wine habit, but I could see splurging in a place like that every now and then.

Strategist says

Ceffer, can you make sure Apocalypse does not get carried away.

I'm much more interested in provoking him to new heights.

Strategist says

So you can touch strippers, or you can't? I'm confused.

Strippers can touch you, but not vice versa, so I am told. However, if you are also another stripper, maybe the bouncer beats both of you up. The bouncer doesn't care, he just wants to beat somebody up.

I'm not sure how the stripper bouncer syllogisms work, any philosophy majors?

indigenous says

In my best shark tank voice, bad idea.

I believe the phrase Mr Wonderful uses is - "You're dead to me"

mmmarvel says

indigenous says

In my best shark tank voice, bad idea.

I believe the phrase Mr Wonderful uses is - "You're dead to me"

Obligatory:

In Europe wine is truly a regular beverage (hence the name, table wine). There is wine at every meal. Children get "children's wine" -- a bit of red mixed with some Pellegrino water.

It's not a big deal like we make it out to be here. "Let's bring out the wine, this is a special occasion". Hence, there is a lot more good quality wine at regular prices. Also, Europeans don't tolerate bad quality food or drink at any price level, so there cannot be any "bad wine".

I just think the market is too competitive. Just to the south of you are the real wine tasting areas, if the novelty of the can you identify this wine catches on the places south of you will simply adopt it.

The only success stories i have heard about wine are "Yellow-tail". This because of their positioning of the product against most wines and the snob appeal. IOW they positioned themselves with beer.

Don't forget the three-buck chuck, Patrick.

There's an old expression:

How do you make a small fortune in the wine business?

Start with a large one!

John Bailo says

It's not a big deal like we make it out to be here.

this is one area Muricans excel at, making a big deal out of things.

Ventura, California has a successful venue similar to as you have described.

http://www.venturawineco.com/thecave.htm

They serve food as well as sell bottles of wines in their retail store.

You buy a card, fill it with money, and the wine machines dispense small or large amounts of the wine you wish to taste.
A waiter or waitress serves the food.

It's San Francisco anything will work for while.

Isn't that where the Oxygen bars started? Where are those things now?
They did a killing for a while.

David9 says

Ventura, California has a successful venue similar to as you have described.

But not actually trying to guess the variety and keeping score.

A few months ago, I went to visit a friend in Redlands. She directed me to a warehouse district and told me to pull over across from a nondescript warehouse door. We got out, she knocked and a few minutes later, a guy unlocked the door and let us into what was a very nice little wine bar with a huge selection. Check out info and reviews for The Dregs in Redlands, CA.
https://www.facebook.com/thedregswine

David9 says

Ventura, California has a successful venue similar to as you have described.

But not actually trying to guess the variety and keeping score.

I think a lot of people will be offended when they find they mistake plebeian wine for top shelf.

Wine is a snobby thing, with lots of egos to stroke.

New Renter says

Wine is a snobby thing, with lots of egos to stroke.

Not so much anymore. Wine is becoming a young, hipster thing. This is who that speakeasy in Redland, CA caters to. They even have a cheat sheet to educate those cool kids.

David9 says

Ventura, California has a successful venue similar to as you have described.

But not actually trying to guess the variety and keeping score.

Unless it is a chateau lafite or similar, does anyone give a damn?

People drink to get a buzz, to feel good, the rest is just something to do. They will rattle off yik yak about the wine, the same with scotch.

The question is what business do you want to get into. With cars it is an image like a BMW or something, they are really in the image business. In restaurants it is the entertainment business and maybe the ego business. In Real Estate it is the security business.

All of them intertwine with emotional reasoning. The car pumps up my image, the restaurant makes people feel happy, RE makes people feel like they have roots. IOW you sell the sizzle.

What business is the wine business really?

But not actually trying to guess the variety and keeping score.

Yes, that is your idea and addition.

I just thought I would mention the two other revenue streams, the appetizers to go with the wine and selling the bottles of wine the client likes.

One cannot have too many revenue streams !

I am sure you do not need me to tell you that. ;-)

New Renter says

David9 says

Ventura, California has a successful venue similar to as you have described.

But not actually trying to guess the variety and keeping score.

I think a lot of people will be offended when they find they mistake plebeian wine for top shelf.

Wine is a snobby thing, with lots of egos to stroke.

That's the real downside risk. Despite all the talk about chocolate or tobacco finishes, with a hint of lavender, most people are rubes with unsophisticated palettes. Therefore, most will go away diminished in their esteem...and who wants to pay for that?

But I like the idea!

I am not sure folks would be eager to invest in a venture in which the entrepreneur lacks experience.

NR said: Wine is a snobby thing, with lots of egos to stroke.
That is the point of the app. No one to talk down to you.
Choose your level.... Imagine a complete novice.
First flight question:
You just drank a?
1. Red wine
2. White wine
3. Rose
You work your way up to guessing varietals as your comfort level increases. I think the "robot sommelier" is the key to all this.

is there some sort of northern california merit badge for guessing wine varieties or something?

New Renter says

Wine is a snobby thing, with lots of egos to stroke.

What I can't mix my Red Wine with my Diet Doctor Pepper on Ice?

CaptainShuddup says

What I can't mix my Red Wine with my Diet Doctor Pepper on Ice?

Clearly Captn you are one of the sophisticates.