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richwicks says

I don't care enough to convince you to even bother to find a link. Who cares what you believe?

Because you know I'm right. I actually wish Eman was here to see this as I believe he was correct about the negativity. I like debates, but I ain't doing the work for you. Prove to me this was a hit job. You can't.

I proved that the recent issues were pilot errors and maintenance errors. Prove otherwise or I don't give a shit what any of you have to say.

richwicks says

You can have defective parts.

Yep, that may have been the issue. All parts used in aircraft, even nuts, bolts, switches, and wire must be "aviation grade." In the Air Force, parts were randomly tested and any parts that were not aviation grade were sold as scrap. I remember way back when some company bought some scrap parts and resold them to Boeing as new. If I recall, someone went to jail for it.

richwicks says

He oversaw quality control.

Okay. So he was like a teacher. Couldn't actually be an engineer. Got a degree, knew someone and got the non-engineering job. Makes even more sense now. Further explains what I'm talking about. You just don't want to listen.

WookieMan says

Because you know I'm right.

I just don't care. I know what Boeing has done, and the less information that comes to light, the more accidents will happen. Boeing is run by a bunch of dumb shit MBAs now, not engineers. I'll just watch the disasters unfold. The MBAs will walk away once they've done so much damage that it has to be addressed, they'll get new jobs, and the government will dump in a shit-ton of money to keep the company afloat, because it's an Offense Contractor. They don't make any money on commercial airlines, they make it from war.

richwicks says

They don't make any money on commercial airlines, they make it from war.

Yes, one series of a new plane the Max has over 1,400 in the air. Based off a previous generation of tech for basically the same airframe. Nah, that doesn't make a profit at all. Pilots coming in hot and airlines not maintaining them is clearly the fault of Boeing. No wonder people pop pills before flights for the safest mode of transportation. A bunch of fear mongers.

Boeing makes MIC aircraft, but they're not the biggest player in that realm. They have 4 classes of public aircraft with a backlog of over 6,000 orders on tech they already developed. No profit there. lol. The engineering has been done. That's why I say it's a disgruntled employee. Not a "whistleblower." They don't need him.

A conspiracy that Boeing killed him plays better to the audience than that he simply killed himself because his testimony was crap.

Misc says

A conspiracy that Boeing killed him plays better to the audience than that he simply killed himself because his testimony was crap.

That's kind of my point. It's clickbait bull shit. I literally debunked every thing from the OP's thread. Airbus aircraft lose engines in flight and the engines are not made by Airbus OR Boeing anyway. Maintained by the airlines. The MCAS debacle was 4 dip shits for 2 separate airlines in foreign countries that don't follow the same training protocol as US pilots. We were already flying more Max types than Lion Air or Ethiopia and no problems. We trained our pilots on the system.

It's a company of 145k employees. They probably have 10-20 suicides a year anyway. Did Boeing off them? Life is hard for some. Maybe there's divorce. Maybe a loved on died and his testimony got negative reaction and he feels like an idiot. Jumping to a plot where someone opened the door to his car and shot him once is a massive leap. There's no evidence and no one is providing any.

I could be wrong, but I'm approaching this logically. Pilots wouldn't get in the cockpit if they thought the plane wasn't safe. That's it. They do it daily. We also don't even know how many "whistleblowers" have cases against Boeing going on right now. Again, 145k workforce. It could be 100+ employees trying to take action for some made up reason. I'm just making numbers up, but even that amount would only be 0.06% of the entire work force. 2 "whistleblowers" out of 145k is 0.001% of the company.

So what are the other 99.999% employees doing doing at Boeing? Just shitty work and say fuck it? Gotta be fucking kidding me. I know I'm right because no one is countering anything I presented. I've admitted I don't know about the window, but I know I could find out by tomorrow. Yet I get narrow funnel of my personal life comments. Grow the fuck up and think people. It was disgruntled employees. Talk to anyone that's in HR. This happens in a 145k employee operation.

Boeing harassed him for years, but who cares about that when all you do is read titles and form opinions with zero research you literally claim to already know everything because you are you. That's the most arrogant statement I've read yet on patnet, closing in on god complex...

Boeing footage of door repair "mysteriously" disappears. Apparently their pilots are running the security cameras now...
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/congressman-sold-boeing-stock-hours-doj-probe-was-announced

NuttBoxer says

Boeing harassed him for years

Maybe because he was a union dick? Couldn't be fired. There are so many layers to an employee and employer relationship. You clearly haven't run a business or know big business owners. Boeing likely has a 1k head count for HR. This guy was a thorn in their side, it doesn't mean they killed him.

ANYONE post a link that says the police are investigating murder charges or have proof of anything with foul play? There's nothing. Making claims, then going to a court and probably getting laughed at is humiliating. So he killed himself.

I'm not a fucking idiot. I have an FAA license and did ground school. I literally watch at least 30-60 minutes per day on aviation whether it's general aviation or commercial. I basically only fly in the 737 and I'll shoot the shit with the captain and 1st officer. Get the kids to sit in the cockpit. I'll be on one Tuesday. You're out of your element. This is clearly a disgruntled employee that was angry with life and went after a big corp and realized he'd lose and killed himself. And yes, being a "whistleblower" will get you paid. Erin Brockovich. Not exactly the same but you can get paid. He lost. So killed himself.

Remember Takata (or whatever) airbags shooting shrapnel into people? The aviation industry is insanely safe including Boeing. Shit is gonna happen though in manufacturing. There are redundancies and back ups with planes though. This guy off'd himself in the car. No one is pulling off a public execution. Buy the conspiracy, I'm not. And I know I'm right.

WookieMan says

ANYONE post a link that says the police are investigating murder charges or have proof of anything with foul play?

Every suicide is supposed to be investigated as a homicide until there's good evidence it was a suicide. Any note left? Is the gun confirmed to be his? Were his hand prints on the gun? Did his hand have powder burn residue on it? These are all simple things to check. Have they? They won't check if they don't want to know.

In San Francisco, approximately 1 out of 3 murder cases were solved, and this is back in 2000, during our heyday. Today, I wonder what it is now.

This "suicide" is suspicious. When people are murdered by the state, the "news" immediately draws a conclusion that it was suicide, and no investigation is ever reported on it. The most famous example is Jeffrey Epstein, but who remember the "DC Madam" - Deborah Jeane Palfrey? The woman that said she was trafficking women to congressmen, that said she would never commit suicide, and "committed suicide"? Our government kills people all the time.

richwicks says

Every suicide is supposed to be investigated as a homicide until there's good evidence it was a suicide. Any note left? Is the gun confirmed to be his? Were his hand prints on the gun? Did his hand have powder burn residue on it? These are all simple things to check. Have they? They won't check if they don't want to know.

You experience one? A suicide. Personally, like close family? Probably not. Then stop talking like you know what's going on. You're so out of your lane that you brought up a suicide note... lol. I didn't think you watched that much media and Hollywood? Suicide notes don't happen. It's a spontaneous reaction when being depressed. Rarely is there ever a suicide note. And rarely do people catch on to the despair of the person.

I still have no links that it's being investigated as a homicide. It's been days since the incident. Provide them. Anyone.

Reality is I'm probably an autistic weirdo drinker. I called TurtleDove a crime from the word go. My comments here were quoted in news articles. Remember I'm surrounded by attorneys. I know my shit. I'll call myself out if I'm wrong. I'm not.


That one was me at the bottom. I solve murder mysteries. This Boeing employee was a suicide.

Here's the link if you don't believe the screen shot. Do a basic search. It will show up here. https://www.thedailybeast.com/eric-scott-sills-california-fertility-doctor-arrested-for-murder-of-wife-susann-stephanie-arsuaga-sills

WookieMan says

You experience one? A suicide. Personally, like close family? Probably not. Then stop talking like you know what's going on.

No, I've not experienced too many suicides, but generally a man with a family doesn't just blow his head off and have everybody in his life questioning why. Notes are frequently left. His lawyer doesn't believe he killed himself.

What I am VERY experienced with, and you are entirely out of your lane on, is government corruption. You think it's just silly to think that this might be a suicide. Well, isn't it silly to think that Epstein didn't commit suicide?

If the government, in any way, had him murdered (this means intelligence, somebody in Boeing connect to the MIC, whatever), there will be pressure put on people not to investigate it and it will be declared a suicide. Gary Webb "committed suicide", well, not according to his family, but that's kind of confidential information but it was also 25 years ago. I knew people that knew him.

It's POSSIBLE this was a suicide, but if it was, he would have had to bring the gun WITH HIM to do it meaning he was intended, over days, to kill himself prior to any testimony he gave OR he thought he needed protection.

You have this simple stupid concept that the government works on behalf of the population. It's a mafia. How goddamned obvious does it have to get? Do they have to lie their way into a war, murder 800,000 people, and use it as an excuse to shovel tax money into their friends pockets? That's all Iraq was.

Also, I'm not always right. But I know planes and suicide and murder. I personally know people that have been murdered that I know. This isn't a murder. It was a guy sitting in his car contemplating life and pulled the trigger. The planes are fine and he got called out. This guy appears to be mentally unfit in my judgement. Engineer types are generally that way.

WookieMan says

Also, I'm not always right. But I know planes and suicide and murder. I personally know people that have been murdered that I know. This isn't a murder. It was a guy sitting in his car contemplating life and pulled the trigger. The planes are fine and he got called out. This guy appears to be mentally unfit in my judgement. Engineer types are generally that way.

Why did he go to the hotel with a gun?

WookieMan says

This isn't a murder.

Yeah. Like they said about Dorothy Kilgallen.

And Vince Foster.
Booger says

I bet he had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

richwicks says

No, I've not experienced too many suicides, but generally a man with a family doesn't just blow his head off and have everybody in his life questioning why. Notes are frequently left. His lawyer doesn't believe he killed himself.

Jesus man. You bring up lawyer... He wants to get fucking paid. I respect your opinions but you're flat out wrong. The lawyer wants to get paid.

It's common in that location to carry. And while male men are the most likely to off themselves. The odds of a white man being murdered in a car is rare. Usually black on black in that region. We can argue back and forth forever, but I'm almost 100% it's a suicide. He went after Boeing with baseless claims and the first hearing didn't go well. I don't know his family situation. Financial situation. There are aspects I don't know, but my gut is he was looking for a golden ticket because he was broke. Attorney is hunting down money and Boeing will probably pay him.

I don't think you understand the legal game and the money. If I fall down the stairs at a restaurant I could get $20k easy. That's all this was and it didn't work out for him, so he said fuck it. There was ZERO reason we know of for my BIL to HANG himself. Just had a promotion. And yes, they investigate everyone involved. Took his computer. SIL interrogated for hours. Remember it's local cops that start the investigation. They have all the information they need already. It was a suicide. This stuff takes less than a day. Media just doesn't report on it. They get their clickbait and you guys are buying it.

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/boeing-proudly-announces-it-has-fixed-malfunctioning-whistleblower

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13195497/American-Airlines-Boeing-777-carrying-249-people-forced-make-emergency-landing-LAX-mechanical-problem.html

Patrick says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13195497/American-Airlines-Boeing-777-carrying-249-people-forced-make-emergency-landing-LAX-mechanical-problem.html

Jesus christ, do you people not understand planes? You have to maintain them. These airlines are not doing the work to upkeep them. This has nothing to do with Boeing. I don't sue Nissan if I have a tire blow out and flip my car.

I need new trailer tires. All of these issues are maintenance 100% and so are my trailer tires. I can't blame the trailer manufacturer for something I'M supposed to maintain. The airlines have employees for that. 100% of products have quality issues with manufacturing. None of what's been listed has killed anyone. AND it works IF maintained.

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy. He thought he was going to get a payday. I'm surprised some of you are falling for the clickbait. You're making other people a lot of money.... Still no links that this is a murder investigation.

Internet experts and Boeing:

WookieMan says

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy.

Like they said about Vince Foster.

You may find this interesting:
'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower's prediction to family before death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA44FFi95PA

B.A.C.A.H. says

WookieMan says

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy.

Like they said about Vince Foster.

I don't care about Vince Foster. Boeing isn't a company anymore if the product is unsafe killing 200+ people a pop with plane crashes and killing former employees or current employees. That happened twice from shit trained pilots. Blown tires are the airlines problem. Improper inspection by the pilots before flight.

And Headset, that interview is from a family friend that sounds like she barely saw him. Her mom was his mom's friend. I'd take that report with a grain of salt. She likely knows shit and frankly sounds like an idiot. Probably looking to get 15 minutes of fame from this. And also at no point has anyone given a link or anything saying they're investigating this as a murder. I'll keep listening to crickets.

WookieMan says

Boeing isn't a company anymore if the product is unsafe killing 200+ people a pop with plane crashes and killing former employees or current employees. That happened twice from shit trained pilots. Blown tires are the airlines problem. Improper inspection by the pilots before flight.

As we've all learned, it simply takes a few news articles and a death or two to make some people think it was the end of the world.

As for the diversity issue, I believe it would be interesting to compare "failure/incident rate" of airlines with homogenuous crews (e.g. All Chinese crews, All Dutch, All African) versus crews from mixed airlines like American or Alaska and so on. Assuming this data is made public anywhere.

Just a reminder that conspiracies are based on facts. Conspiracy theory's are not based on facts, like someone claiming truth can only be known through their personal reality,

"“Aren’t you scared?” asked Jennifer. “And he said, ‘No, I ain’t scared, but if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide.'”"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boeing-whistleblower-if-anything-happens-me-its-not-suicide

DhammaStep says

As we've all learned, it simply takes a few news articles and a death or two to make some people think it was the end of the world.

Exactly. 100k flights per day. Yes DAILY. And a company has 2 reported deaths of employees out of a 145k workforce.

The MCAS debacle with Ethiopian Air and Lion Air was pilot error and poor training. Tires and engine are poor maintenance. The commonality in the US is United airlines and Alaskan airlines.

The recent off runway issue was 100% pilot error trying to clear the runway at 90º to a taxiway going too fast and the gear broke in the process. They floated the landing and and missed the 30º taxiway to the gate. ATC and ground control were culprits as well. The spacing was clearly too tight and the pilot floated and tried to make a quick turn. All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing.

As far as the diversity issue with hiring. I haven't had the situation arise. If I'm not comfortable with the pilots I won't get on the plane. I know most are older here but I remember when I was about 6-8 years old seeing pilot drinking before a flight at the bars. There was still smoking. Half the Boeing employees at that time were probably drinking and smoking putting planes together.

The planes are as safe as can be possible. That's why they modify existing engineering that has worked for decades. The biggie is the engines and training of the pilots and crew of the tweaks which is on the airlines side of responsibility. I don't buy a car and not maintain it or know how to drive it and blame the manufacturer. That's what the "whistleblower" was and all the issues listed are on poor maintenance. Basically United for the most part.

Search Boeing on patnet. This OP isn't an isolated safety call out, even in a forum this small...

NuttBoxer says

"“Aren’t you scared?” asked Jennifer. “And he said, ‘No, I ain’t scared, but if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide.'”"

Beating a dead horse here. You talk about suicide if you have intentions of doing it.

I've watched the video. He was a hick in a low level position. I don't care if he was an engineer. Some of the dumbest people I know are engineers. I have golf clubs from an engineer that forgot to take them out of my wife's car for two months now. They're so dumb they think my wife is an engineer. She literally acts as an engineer at this point and is smarter than them.

Just because a few people make accusations out of 145k workforce doesn't make it true. The first time ANYONE I know mentions suicide in a conversation I ask them if they're doing good. Have you seen a therapist. Some people off themselves, some will do their entire family. Saying you're NOT going to suicide yourself is a huge warning sign that you are.

This also was a friend of a friend situation. Your quotes basically mean nothing. The woman could be looking for her 15 minutes of fame. I'll keep waiting on the legal murder charge or that authorities think it was a murder. Self inflicted gun shot wounds are pretty obvious. Especially in a car. Anyone in a hotel would hear it.

I'm not a lawyer, but grew up around them my whole life and learned a lot and studied to be one. This isn't a murder. This is a math problem. Number of employees and number of incidents that were Boeing's fault. Probably 0.000001%. 2 People die and it's a "whistleblower" situation? Hell no, it's disgruntled employees.

NuttBoxer says

Search Boeing on patnet. This OP isn't an isolated safety call out, even in a forum this small...

I need real sources. Most are shit here. https://www.trip.com/ask/travel-questions/how-many-flights-per-day.html#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20latest%20estimates,destinations%20all%20around%20the%20world.

That many flights a DAY. Boeing is probably 30-40% of those if they're accounting for private and general aviation. What is not safe about the product? Someone please link something that is not pilot or mechanic error by the airlines and who died? I'll keep waiting.

Stop worrying, everything is FINE..

NuttBoxer says

Stop worrying, everything is FINE..

No worries. Seems like the pilots operated the aircraft fine and nothing happened.

I fly Tuesday on a 737 Max. ZERO worries. Mountain out of mole hills. Enjoy being scared. You don't even fly anyway. Most here don't. I know Patrick has and does, but I don't think anyone else does often beside maybe once a year if that.

Boeing disagrees with you, otherwise why murder Barnett?

And by your logic don't ever take your car in for a safety recall, worry maintenance lapses, or research reliability, because it's all the same whether you ever get where you're going, or break down by the side of the road. NO ONE DIED RIGHT!?

I'm not being ridiculous, just taking your ideas and showing you their logical applications. I can only work with the base class you give me...

NuttBoxer says

Boeing disagrees with you, otherwise why murder Barnett?

Link he was murdered... Still waiting. There's not even an investigation. NuttBoxer says

And by your logic don't ever take your car in for a safety recall, worry maintenance lapses, or research reliability, because it's all the same whether you ever get where you're going, or break down by the side of the road. NO ONE DIED RIGHT!?

It's called insurance. And a mechanic. If I can get warranty fine. It's my responsibility to take care of the car. I have AAA and have used it probably 5 times. I don't blame the manufacturer. I'm not calling Nissan or the dealership and saying everything you do is unsafe.

There's no evidence of unsafe and lethal airplanes in the air unless it's the end user not maintaining them. This isn't complicated. Keep digging the hole. Whatever.

https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-boeing-jets-come-out-as-trans-safe-they-are-not-safe-but-they-identify-as-safe/

Wife made it home fine today after some fuckery with weather and delays. 🤷‍♂️ Plane didn't fall apart in a fleet of thousands.

The planes are safe. Everyone needs to get off their retard box on this topic. Seriously. It's a monopoly, but you're all fucked without Boeing. Again, 2 people die out of 145k and it's a problem? Just because they had complaints? That no one knows if they were even valid?

There are thousands of engineers at Boeing. These 2 were the "whistleblower"... lol. And none of the other laborers thought they were doing shit work? Holy fuck. I didn't realize how dumb people could be.

The ONLY reason Boeing is in headlines is because of dip shit international pilots that crashed two planes. This isn't even a question. All these other issues are ALL on the airlines not maintaining their asset. Not even debatable. It has nothing to do with Boeing.

WookieMan says

Tires and engine are poor maintenance. The commonality in the US is United airlines and Alaskan airlines.

Hmmm...

Those two airlines' heavy maintenance centers are in two of the most expensive places in the world to live: SF Bay Area and Seattle. The cost of living in both of those regions are driven by "tech". American (Tulsa) Delta (Atlanta) Southwest (Houston) Jet Blue (El Salvador) have more housing options for blue collar workforce than the SF Bay Area and Seattle.

I dunno what it's like commuting into Seattle from afar, but I do know SF. Commuting in to SFO from far-flung communities where a blue collar worker can afford will be a nightware.... even those who work night shifts. If the employee has a spouse, the spouse will likely also have to be employed full time to make it work. If there's child(ren), well, long commutes, child care, etc will add even more stress and complexity to their lives.

It's hardly surprising that mistakes can happen for such a stressed out workforce. As much as anything else, this is a housing problem

United saw this coming decades ago and so began to transition its heavy maintenance center to Indiannapolis. During the post 9/11 bankrupcty that center was closed.