patrick.net

Here's the United flight explained by a commercial pilot that examines literally almost every aviation incident on the planet and speaks at Oshkosh and other aviation events.https://youtu.be/Woms1sBqUdo?si=0uGnopWAjNksHtsx

I'm an aviation junkie. I watch at least 3-4 videos a day on it. The United flight came in hot to a 90º taxiway in weather in a rush due to traffic behind him. That had nothing to do with the plane. Again, pilot error.

Ahh, so THAT'S why Barnett shot himself, pilot error!

NuttBoxer says

Ahh, so THAT'S why Barnett shot himself, pilot error!

'Shot himself' in his car, too. Hit man was too lazy to cap him in his house. Most suicides in a car involve either deliberate CO poisoning or (rare but runner up) driving off a cliff or bridge, etc.

Too lazy. Or they deliberately wanted that. To send a message to any other would be whistle-blower.

And wasn't Boeing. Deep State faction with ties to Boeing did it.

But WTF do I know?

The door explanation. Highly likely a maintenance issue. Or a consistent route with turbulence and rough landings.

https://youtu.be/WhfK9jlZK1o?si=Y9-TlGOqLoRjR0Zr

Again all human error and not design. If you don't check your tires and the tread is gone you're more likely to have a blow out or accident in poor conditions with your car. This design has been around forever. Alaska Airlines didn't keep up on the plane. No other airlines found an issue when they grounded them. We're talking hundreds of Max jets. Might even be in the thousands at this point.

NuttBoxer says

Ahh, so THAT'S why Barnett shot himself, pilot error!

Quote me anything that would prove it's not a suicide? Anything. A list was provided of issues and I brought links from a guy that is nationally renowned for understanding aircraft. I don't deal in hyperbolic junk because someone testified against Boeing. Let's go further down the rabbit hole of conspiracy. Maybe he was an Airbus employee spy that got hired by Boeing? We can do this all day. It's a safe plane. The issues of late and ever have been human error, poor training and poor maintenance by airlines. I don't blame Toyota once I'm out of the warranty period which almost every Max is except those recent delivered.

This isn't complicated.

MCAS explanation. Don't shoot the messenger when you don't know what you're talking about. https://youtu.be/s3LrsvaCUoo?si=2UcS1lQrz7ffIeA0

Any current issues are pilot error. Provide some links. Anyone. 2 "whistleblowers" in a company of 145k head count die and it's a conspiracy by a company that has the money to just make them go away by NOT killing them. Really, really logical. Guess what, 50 probably died in the last year alone. Were they all "whistleblowers?"

No one has provided evidence a crime was committed. Nothing.

WookieMan says

They would have killed him before testifying if it was a concern. Plain and simple. I think people are looking too much into this.

Think a little bit.

He was staying at a hotel to testify against Boeing. If he shot himself, that means he had to bring a gun with him, meaning he was intending to commit suicide before he even got there. He testified once already, and was due to testify again. Why did he testify once, then kill himself before his second deposition?

Whoever had him murdered heard the first part of his testimony, judged it was less risky to murder him than to allow him to testify again and it was done so as to intimidate other witnesses.

His body was found in a hotel parking lot. MOST hotels have CCTV cameras, it would be relatively easy to put this to rest, if they just released the video immediately, but they didn't. With current technology, it's easy enough to fake the video, and since they didn't release the video immediately, it means the credibility if anything being released in the future is suspect.

If he WASN'T murdered, and actually did commit suicide, you'd think Boeing would want to prove it, THEY would be pushing to release the CCTV footage ASAP, but nope.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/12/us-news/lawyers-for-boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-question-suicide/

Boeing whistleblower’s lawyers question whether he committed suicide, call for thorough probe: ‘No one can believe it’

richwicks says

He was staying at a hotel to testify against Boeing. If he shot himself, that means he had to bring a gun with him, meaning he was intending to commit suicide before he even got there. He testified once already, and was due to testify again. Why did he testify once, then kill himself before his second deposition?

Boeing would have had him killed BEFORE he even testified if he was deemed a credible threat IF they're in that business. My guess would be that it was a disgruntled employee that hatched a plan to make money off making up bull shit and got his ass handed to him during his first testimony. Like lying to your parents and they sit you down and find out the truth. Except in this situation he may have gotten in serious trouble for false claims and then decided to off himself.

And yes they have CCTV cameras likely. BUT did they record? Likely not in most hotels. Remember hotel employees are low wage jobs. If it was a Holiday Inn or something similar the only thing they likely care about is the POS systems working at the front desk. They likely just had a monitor to view public spaces in the back room behind the desk and it wasn't recording. This is how most businesses end up after a while. Operational to view live, but not recording because they don't know how to use the equipment. Hotels are a service industry, the tech is the last thing on most basic hotel chains minds besides checking in and tracking what room is clean, ready and available.

It's extremely far fetched to think Boeing or any of its contractors are going around killing people. It's also on the hotel and authorities to release any CCTV footage. If they thought it was murder they would have said that. If I was going to shoot myself, I wouldn't do it in the hotel. The car would make the most sense.

Besides the cracked windshield the list AK posted is all pilot and airline error and can be explained. This wasn't about the planes themselves as far as I've read into it.

The "whistleblower" seems to be talking about factory safety issues. Not the planes themselves from your own link.

John Barnett, 62, had raised safety concerns at the airline’s factories and provided his first testimony just days before he was found dead from an apparent “self-inflicted” gunshot wound, the Charleston County coroner told the BBC.

It has nothing to do with the planes themselves and is an employee safety issue at the factories from your link. Seems like a low level employee that got his ass handed to himself during his first testimony and was potentially facing financial loss by continuing the game.

And like I said earlier, it easily could have been an Airbus paid operation and he got caught up in something he didn't understand the consequences and just off'd himself. Just take the time to watch the links/videos I posted. The safety issues are all human error.

I bet he had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

WookieMan says

Boeing would have had him killed BEFORE he even testified if he was deemed a credible threat IF they're in that business.

Boeing may not have killed him. Perhaps the union bosses had him killed? Perhaps the intelligence agencies had him killed? Who knows. It doesn't have to be a direct connection to Boeing.

I'm pointing out that it's very unlikely he committed suicide and he was quite probably killed to silence other whisteblowers and as a result of what not only what he said, but what he was expected to say.

WookieMan says

My guess would be that it was a disgruntled employee that hatched a plan to make money off making up bull shit and got his ass handed to him during his first testimony. Like lying to your parents and they sit you down and find out the truth. Except in this situation he may have gotten in serious trouble for false claims and then decided to off himself.

In what conceivable way could he profit off from this?

WookieMan says

And yes they have CCTV cameras likely. BUT did they record?

If they didn't record, it's for the same reason all the cameras on Epstein did't.

WookieMan says

It's extremely far fetched to think Boeing or any of its contractors are going around killing people.

Do you live in fairy land on sugar gum lane? Epstein was murdered, Seth Rich was murdered, Gary Webb was murdered, Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered, JFK was murdered, MLK was murdered, Malcolm X was murdered, Dr. David Kelly was murdered, people are murdered by the intelligence agencies and the MIC all the time. Their job IS to turn blood in money after all.

WookieMan says

It has nothing to do with the planes themselves and is an employee safety issue at the factories from your link. Seems like a low level employee that got his ass handed to himself during his first testimony and was potentially facing financial loss by continuing the game.

He wasn't a low level employee, he was a quality control engineer and filed numerous complaints to Boeing only to have his complaints ignored.

WookieMan says

Quote me anything that would prove it's not a suicide?

Patrick says

Boeing whistleblower’s lawyers question whether he committed suicide, call for thorough probe: ‘No one can believe it’

You're circling the drain again. You base everything on your personal experience. I've literally sat in a room with people who said to a group "God wants us to stay here.", then a half year later when they couldn't get pregnant, "God wants us to go be missionaries.". What changed, not God, just their personal experience.

There is ultimate truth in the world, and it doesn't change to meet the incredibly narrow funnel of your personal life.

richwicks says

He wasn't a low level employee, he was a quality control engineer and filed numerous complaints to Boeing only to have his complaints ignored.

This where you lose me dude. The engineering on these planes has been around for 50 years. Most advances have been in engines since the 90's. Boeing doesn't even make the engines. They just attach them. So what engineering did this guy do? Parts for what Boeing does are already provable and reliable. It's CAD anyway and machining. It's not difficult. I did manufacturing of signs in early college years using similar materials. It's not complicated. You've for sure have seen sign I personally help make.

It's the design. The guy didn't sound like he designed anything. Probably just copied off the engineering before him. That's the name of the game. Every name you list that was murdered was a prominent national figure for the most part. The way this is being portrayed in the comments here is that it's some Boeing conspiracy. This sounds like a workplace dispute by all metrics. Give me a link otherwise I'm not buying it. There's also no proof of foul play that I can find.

WookieMan says

This where you lose me dude. The engineering on these planes has been around for 50 years.

The engineering has been around for 50 years, the process of building them changes constantly.

You know why products are so fucking expensive when they are new? I worked on a video game system where it was sold for less than 1/2 the cost of what it took to make, that was to gain marketshare, but after a year or two, it was sold at a profit. How was that done? Cost reduction.

That's what Boeing is doing, except when you reduce costs too much you don't get a video game console returned while it's still under warranty, you get people killed.

WookieMan says

So what engineering did this guy do?

He oversaw quality control.

WookieMan says

It's not difficult. I did manufacturing of signs in early college years using similar materials. It's not complicated. You've for sure have seen sign I personally help make.

Probably I have, but how do you screw up a sign? If it's an electronic sign, you certainly can fuck up on that.

WookieMan says

It's the design. The guy didn't sound like he designed anything.

No, it's the process of putting it together. You can have defective parts. On the last large product I worked on, part of my job was to make the tools to identify bad parts BEFORE they were incorporated into the system that was made. Parts can be defective, and you test at every level. There's a million things that can go wrong. One day, the plan might start producing dead chips. It happens, although not very often.

WookieMan says

Give me a link otherwise I'm not buying it.

I don't care enough to convince you to even bother to find a link. Who cares what you believe?

Boeing has fucked up, and it will become clear they have fucked up in time, just a bunch more people will have to get killed. I was listening to Due Dissidents today and they were talking about Boeing and how superior Airbus is - well, Airbus isn't superior, I knew a guy who knew a guy whose job was to go through software to verify unhandled error conditions and he did that for Airbus.

Stuff can continue to work for a while with a bunch of incompetents being paid 25% of what qualified engineers get paid, but that only goes on for a few years. It works for a while because the company has a "good reputation", but it ends and they develop a bad reputation. RCA's name fell into the mud when they started licensing their name to foreign manufacturers of televisions back in the 1990's. Sony did the same for DVDRW drives. I got fucked by "Sony's" drives, but drives were kind of legacy by then.

NuttBoxer says

WookieMan says

Quote me anything that would prove it's not a suicide?

Patrick says

Boeing whistleblower’s lawyers question whether he committed suicide, call for thorough probe: ‘No one can believe it’

You're circling the drain again. You base everything on your personal experience. I've literally sat in a room with people who said to a group "God wants us to stay here.", then a half year later when they couldn't get pregnant, "God wants us to go be missionaries.". What changed, not God, just their personal experience.

There is ultimate truth in the world, and it doesn't change to meet the incredibly narrow funnel of your personal life.

I've experience more than anyone here. I've experience 2 suicides. Lost 4 friends to overdoses. The guy pulled into his parking spot and was thinking about his life and killed himself. This is not some nefarious thing. I've had death threats against me from spouses of divorce clients when my dad was around as an attorney. Police involved. You lived in CA. This isn't fucking Hollywood.

You have zero clue of my life. I know what this is. It was a work place "whistleblower" situation. Has nothing to do with the planes which is what the OP insinuated. That's what I'm addressing. He likely made shit up and the first testimony didn't go well for HIM and he said fuck my life. You do understand people lose their minds, right? Likely was questioning that he was right and was wrong and his world got turn upside down. Grow up with an attorney and still have a sister as an attorney. I was going to be an attorney. I could pass the bar exam tomorrow, drunk.

I've had massive trauma and death in my life. I see a therapist for it and I have no issue admitting that. You can talk out your ass about my "narrow funnel" but I've dealt with more than anyone I've ever met. I've experienced more.

I've posted links debunking the accidents that were of significance from a guy that speaks on aviation accidents and is a commercial pilot with 400k+ subscribers. In an industry that less than 1% of the population even gets into. No one else has posted any links that it was a crime or carried out by Boeing, Union, or contractor. I like conspiracy theories but this one is pure retardation. And no one has proven me wrong. So what idiotic comment is next?

richwicks says

I don't care enough to convince you to even bother to find a link. Who cares what you believe?

Because you know I'm right. I actually wish Eman was here to see this as I believe he was correct about the negativity. I like debates, but I ain't doing the work for you. Prove to me this was a hit job. You can't.

I proved that the recent issues were pilot errors and maintenance errors. Prove otherwise or I don't give a shit what any of you have to say.

richwicks says

You can have defective parts.

Yep, that may have been the issue. All parts used in aircraft, even nuts, bolts, switches, and wire must be "aviation grade." In the Air Force, parts were randomly tested and any parts that were not aviation grade were sold as scrap. I remember way back when some company bought some scrap parts and resold them to Boeing as new. If I recall, someone went to jail for it.

richwicks says

He oversaw quality control.

Okay. So he was like a teacher. Couldn't actually be an engineer. Got a degree, knew someone and got the non-engineering job. Makes even more sense now. Further explains what I'm talking about. You just don't want to listen.

WookieMan says

Because you know I'm right.

I just don't care. I know what Boeing has done, and the less information that comes to light, the more accidents will happen. Boeing is run by a bunch of dumb shit MBAs now, not engineers. I'll just watch the disasters unfold. The MBAs will walk away once they've done so much damage that it has to be addressed, they'll get new jobs, and the government will dump in a shit-ton of money to keep the company afloat, because it's an Offense Contractor. They don't make any money on commercial airlines, they make it from war.

richwicks says

They don't make any money on commercial airlines, they make it from war.

Yes, one series of a new plane the Max has over 1,400 in the air. Based off a previous generation of tech for basically the same airframe. Nah, that doesn't make a profit at all. Pilots coming in hot and airlines not maintaining them is clearly the fault of Boeing. No wonder people pop pills before flights for the safest mode of transportation. A bunch of fear mongers.

Boeing makes MIC aircraft, but they're not the biggest player in that realm. They have 4 classes of public aircraft with a backlog of over 6,000 orders on tech they already developed. No profit there. lol. The engineering has been done. That's why I say it's a disgruntled employee. Not a "whistleblower." They don't need him.

A conspiracy that Boeing killed him plays better to the audience than that he simply killed himself because his testimony was crap.

Misc says

A conspiracy that Boeing killed him plays better to the audience than that he simply killed himself because his testimony was crap.

That's kind of my point. It's clickbait bull shit. I literally debunked every thing from the OP's thread. Airbus aircraft lose engines in flight and the engines are not made by Airbus OR Boeing anyway. Maintained by the airlines. The MCAS debacle was 4 dip shits for 2 separate airlines in foreign countries that don't follow the same training protocol as US pilots. We were already flying more Max types than Lion Air or Ethiopia and no problems. We trained our pilots on the system.

It's a company of 145k employees. They probably have 10-20 suicides a year anyway. Did Boeing off them? Life is hard for some. Maybe there's divorce. Maybe a loved on died and his testimony got negative reaction and he feels like an idiot. Jumping to a plot where someone opened the door to his car and shot him once is a massive leap. There's no evidence and no one is providing any.

I could be wrong, but I'm approaching this logically. Pilots wouldn't get in the cockpit if they thought the plane wasn't safe. That's it. They do it daily. We also don't even know how many "whistleblowers" have cases against Boeing going on right now. Again, 145k workforce. It could be 100+ employees trying to take action for some made up reason. I'm just making numbers up, but even that amount would only be 0.06% of the entire work force. 2 "whistleblowers" out of 145k is 0.001% of the company.

So what are the other 99.999% employees doing doing at Boeing? Just shitty work and say fuck it? Gotta be fucking kidding me. I know I'm right because no one is countering anything I presented. I've admitted I don't know about the window, but I know I could find out by tomorrow. Yet I get narrow funnel of my personal life comments. Grow the fuck up and think people. It was disgruntled employees. Talk to anyone that's in HR. This happens in a 145k employee operation.

Boeing harassed him for years, but who cares about that when all you do is read titles and form opinions with zero research you literally claim to already know everything because you are you. That's the most arrogant statement I've read yet on patnet, closing in on god complex...

Boeing footage of door repair "mysteriously" disappears. Apparently their pilots are running the security cameras now...
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/congressman-sold-boeing-stock-hours-doj-probe-was-announced

NuttBoxer says

Boeing harassed him for years

Maybe because he was a union dick? Couldn't be fired. There are so many layers to an employee and employer relationship. You clearly haven't run a business or know big business owners. Boeing likely has a 1k head count for HR. This guy was a thorn in their side, it doesn't mean they killed him.

ANYONE post a link that says the police are investigating murder charges or have proof of anything with foul play? There's nothing. Making claims, then going to a court and probably getting laughed at is humiliating. So he killed himself.

I'm not a fucking idiot. I have an FAA license and did ground school. I literally watch at least 30-60 minutes per day on aviation whether it's general aviation or commercial. I basically only fly in the 737 and I'll shoot the shit with the captain and 1st officer. Get the kids to sit in the cockpit. I'll be on one Tuesday. You're out of your element. This is clearly a disgruntled employee that was angry with life and went after a big corp and realized he'd lose and killed himself. And yes, being a "whistleblower" will get you paid. Erin Brockovich. Not exactly the same but you can get paid. He lost. So killed himself.

Remember Takata (or whatever) airbags shooting shrapnel into people? The aviation industry is insanely safe including Boeing. Shit is gonna happen though in manufacturing. There are redundancies and back ups with planes though. This guy off'd himself in the car. No one is pulling off a public execution. Buy the conspiracy, I'm not. And I know I'm right.

WookieMan says

ANYONE post a link that says the police are investigating murder charges or have proof of anything with foul play?

Every suicide is supposed to be investigated as a homicide until there's good evidence it was a suicide. Any note left? Is the gun confirmed to be his? Were his hand prints on the gun? Did his hand have powder burn residue on it? These are all simple things to check. Have they? They won't check if they don't want to know.

In San Francisco, approximately 1 out of 3 murder cases were solved, and this is back in 2000, during our heyday. Today, I wonder what it is now.

This "suicide" is suspicious. When people are murdered by the state, the "news" immediately draws a conclusion that it was suicide, and no investigation is ever reported on it. The most famous example is Jeffrey Epstein, but who remember the "DC Madam" - Deborah Jeane Palfrey? The woman that said she was trafficking women to congressmen, that said she would never commit suicide, and "committed suicide"? Our government kills people all the time.

richwicks says

Every suicide is supposed to be investigated as a homicide until there's good evidence it was a suicide. Any note left? Is the gun confirmed to be his? Were his hand prints on the gun? Did his hand have powder burn residue on it? These are all simple things to check. Have they? They won't check if they don't want to know.

You experience one? A suicide. Personally, like close family? Probably not. Then stop talking like you know what's going on. You're so out of your lane that you brought up a suicide note... lol. I didn't think you watched that much media and Hollywood? Suicide notes don't happen. It's a spontaneous reaction when being depressed. Rarely is there ever a suicide note. And rarely do people catch on to the despair of the person.

I still have no links that it's being investigated as a homicide. It's been days since the incident. Provide them. Anyone.

Reality is I'm probably an autistic weirdo drinker. I called TurtleDove a crime from the word go. My comments here were quoted in news articles. Remember I'm surrounded by attorneys. I know my shit. I'll call myself out if I'm wrong. I'm not.


That one was me at the bottom. I solve murder mysteries. This Boeing employee was a suicide.

Here's the link if you don't believe the screen shot. Do a basic search. It will show up here. https://www.thedailybeast.com/eric-scott-sills-california-fertility-doctor-arrested-for-murder-of-wife-susann-stephanie-arsuaga-sills

WookieMan says

You experience one? A suicide. Personally, like close family? Probably not. Then stop talking like you know what's going on.

No, I've not experienced too many suicides, but generally a man with a family doesn't just blow his head off and have everybody in his life questioning why. Notes are frequently left. His lawyer doesn't believe he killed himself.

What I am VERY experienced with, and you are entirely out of your lane on, is government corruption. You think it's just silly to think that this might be a suicide. Well, isn't it silly to think that Epstein didn't commit suicide?

If the government, in any way, had him murdered (this means intelligence, somebody in Boeing connect to the MIC, whatever), there will be pressure put on people not to investigate it and it will be declared a suicide. Gary Webb "committed suicide", well, not according to his family, but that's kind of confidential information but it was also 25 years ago. I knew people that knew him.

It's POSSIBLE this was a suicide, but if it was, he would have had to bring the gun WITH HIM to do it meaning he was intended, over days, to kill himself prior to any testimony he gave OR he thought he needed protection.

You have this simple stupid concept that the government works on behalf of the population. It's a mafia. How goddamned obvious does it have to get? Do they have to lie their way into a war, murder 800,000 people, and use it as an excuse to shovel tax money into their friends pockets? That's all Iraq was.

Also, I'm not always right. But I know planes and suicide and murder. I personally know people that have been murdered that I know. This isn't a murder. It was a guy sitting in his car contemplating life and pulled the trigger. The planes are fine and he got called out. This guy appears to be mentally unfit in my judgement. Engineer types are generally that way.

WookieMan says

Also, I'm not always right. But I know planes and suicide and murder. I personally know people that have been murdered that I know. This isn't a murder. It was a guy sitting in his car contemplating life and pulled the trigger. The planes are fine and he got called out. This guy appears to be mentally unfit in my judgement. Engineer types are generally that way.

Why did he go to the hotel with a gun?

WookieMan says

This isn't a murder.

Yeah. Like they said about Dorothy Kilgallen.

And Vince Foster.
Booger says

I bet he had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

richwicks says

No, I've not experienced too many suicides, but generally a man with a family doesn't just blow his head off and have everybody in his life questioning why. Notes are frequently left. His lawyer doesn't believe he killed himself.

Jesus man. You bring up lawyer... He wants to get fucking paid. I respect your opinions but you're flat out wrong. The lawyer wants to get paid.

It's common in that location to carry. And while male men are the most likely to off themselves. The odds of a white man being murdered in a car is rare. Usually black on black in that region. We can argue back and forth forever, but I'm almost 100% it's a suicide. He went after Boeing with baseless claims and the first hearing didn't go well. I don't know his family situation. Financial situation. There are aspects I don't know, but my gut is he was looking for a golden ticket because he was broke. Attorney is hunting down money and Boeing will probably pay him.

I don't think you understand the legal game and the money. If I fall down the stairs at a restaurant I could get $20k easy. That's all this was and it didn't work out for him, so he said fuck it. There was ZERO reason we know of for my BIL to HANG himself. Just had a promotion. And yes, they investigate everyone involved. Took his computer. SIL interrogated for hours. Remember it's local cops that start the investigation. They have all the information they need already. It was a suicide. This stuff takes less than a day. Media just doesn't report on it. They get their clickbait and you guys are buying it.

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/boeing-proudly-announces-it-has-fixed-malfunctioning-whistleblower

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13195497/American-Airlines-Boeing-777-carrying-249-people-forced-make-emergency-landing-LAX-mechanical-problem.html

Patrick says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13195497/American-Airlines-Boeing-777-carrying-249-people-forced-make-emergency-landing-LAX-mechanical-problem.html

Jesus christ, do you people not understand planes? You have to maintain them. These airlines are not doing the work to upkeep them. This has nothing to do with Boeing. I don't sue Nissan if I have a tire blow out and flip my car.

I need new trailer tires. All of these issues are maintenance 100% and so are my trailer tires. I can't blame the trailer manufacturer for something I'M supposed to maintain. The airlines have employees for that. 100% of products have quality issues with manufacturing. None of what's been listed has killed anyone. AND it works IF maintained.

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy. He thought he was going to get a payday. I'm surprised some of you are falling for the clickbait. You're making other people a lot of money.... Still no links that this is a murder investigation.

Internet experts and Boeing:

WookieMan says

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy.

Like they said about Vince Foster.

You may find this interesting:
'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower's prediction to family before death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA44FFi95PA