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https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/boeing-proudly-announces-it-has-fixed-malfunctioning-whistleblower

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13195497/American-Airlines-Boeing-777-carrying-249-people-forced-make-emergency-landing-LAX-mechanical-problem.html

Patrick says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13195497/American-Airlines-Boeing-777-carrying-249-people-forced-make-emergency-landing-LAX-mechanical-problem.html

Jesus christ, do you people not understand planes? You have to maintain them. These airlines are not doing the work to upkeep them. This has nothing to do with Boeing. I don't sue Nissan if I have a tire blow out and flip my car.

I need new trailer tires. All of these issues are maintenance 100% and so are my trailer tires. I can't blame the trailer manufacturer for something I'M supposed to maintain. The airlines have employees for that. 100% of products have quality issues with manufacturing. None of what's been listed has killed anyone. AND it works IF maintained.

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy. He thought he was going to get a payday. I'm surprised some of you are falling for the clickbait. You're making other people a lot of money.... Still no links that this is a murder investigation.

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WookieMan says

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy.

Like they said about Vince Foster.

You may find this interesting:
'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower's prediction to family before death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA44FFi95PA

B.A.C.A.H. says

WookieMan says

One guy kills himself and it turns into a conspiracy.

Like they said about Vince Foster.

I don't care about Vince Foster. Boeing isn't a company anymore if the product is unsafe killing 200+ people a pop with plane crashes and killing former employees or current employees. That happened twice from shit trained pilots. Blown tires are the airlines problem. Improper inspection by the pilots before flight.

And Headset, that interview is from a family friend that sounds like she barely saw him. Her mom was his mom's friend. I'd take that report with a grain of salt. She likely knows shit and frankly sounds like an idiot. Probably looking to get 15 minutes of fame from this. And also at no point has anyone given a link or anything saying they're investigating this as a murder. I'll keep listening to crickets.

WookieMan says

Boeing isn't a company anymore if the product is unsafe killing 200+ people a pop with plane crashes and killing former employees or current employees. That happened twice from shit trained pilots. Blown tires are the airlines problem. Improper inspection by the pilots before flight.

As we've all learned, it simply takes a few news articles and a death or two to make some people think it was the end of the world.

As for the diversity issue, I believe it would be interesting to compare "failure/incident rate" of airlines with homogenuous crews (e.g. All Chinese crews, All Dutch, All African) versus crews from mixed airlines like American or Alaska and so on. Assuming this data is made public anywhere.

Just a reminder that conspiracies are based on facts. Conspiracy theory's are not based on facts, like someone claiming truth can only be known through their personal reality,

"“Aren’t you scared?” asked Jennifer. “And he said, ‘No, I ain’t scared, but if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide.'”"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boeing-whistleblower-if-anything-happens-me-its-not-suicide

DhammaStep says

As we've all learned, it simply takes a few news articles and a death or two to make some people think it was the end of the world.

Exactly. 100k flights per day. Yes DAILY. And a company has 2 reported deaths of employees out of a 145k workforce.

The MCAS debacle with Ethiopian Air and Lion Air was pilot error and poor training. Tires and engine are poor maintenance. The commonality in the US is United airlines and Alaskan airlines.

The recent off runway issue was 100% pilot error trying to clear the runway at 90º to a taxiway going too fast and the gear broke in the process. They floated the landing and and missed the 30º taxiway to the gate. ATC and ground control were culprits as well. The spacing was clearly too tight and the pilot floated and tried to make a quick turn. All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing.

As far as the diversity issue with hiring. I haven't had the situation arise. If I'm not comfortable with the pilots I won't get on the plane. I know most are older here but I remember when I was about 6-8 years old seeing pilot drinking before a flight at the bars. There was still smoking. Half the Boeing employees at that time were probably drinking and smoking putting planes together.

The planes are as safe as can be possible. That's why they modify existing engineering that has worked for decades. The biggie is the engines and training of the pilots and crew of the tweaks which is on the airlines side of responsibility. I don't buy a car and not maintain it or know how to drive it and blame the manufacturer. That's what the "whistleblower" was and all the issues listed are on poor maintenance. Basically United for the most part.

Search Boeing on patnet. This OP isn't an isolated safety call out, even in a forum this small...

NuttBoxer says

"“Aren’t you scared?” asked Jennifer. “And he said, ‘No, I ain’t scared, but if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide.'”"

Beating a dead horse here. You talk about suicide if you have intentions of doing it.

I've watched the video. He was a hick in a low level position. I don't care if he was an engineer. Some of the dumbest people I know are engineers. I have golf clubs from an engineer that forgot to take them out of my wife's car for two months now. They're so dumb they think my wife is an engineer. She literally acts as an engineer at this point and is smarter than them.

Just because a few people make accusations out of 145k workforce doesn't make it true. The first time ANYONE I know mentions suicide in a conversation I ask them if they're doing good. Have you seen a therapist. Some people off themselves, some will do their entire family. Saying you're NOT going to suicide yourself is a huge warning sign that you are.

This also was a friend of a friend situation. Your quotes basically mean nothing. The woman could be looking for her 15 minutes of fame. I'll keep waiting on the legal murder charge or that authorities think it was a murder. Self inflicted gun shot wounds are pretty obvious. Especially in a car. Anyone in a hotel would hear it.

I'm not a lawyer, but grew up around them my whole life and learned a lot and studied to be one. This isn't a murder. This is a math problem. Number of employees and number of incidents that were Boeing's fault. Probably 0.000001%. 2 People die and it's a "whistleblower" situation? Hell no, it's disgruntled employees.

NuttBoxer says

Search Boeing on patnet. This OP isn't an isolated safety call out, even in a forum this small...

I need real sources. Most are shit here. https://www.trip.com/ask/travel-questions/how-many-flights-per-day.html#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20latest%20estimates,destinations%20all%20around%20the%20world.

That many flights a DAY. Boeing is probably 30-40% of those if they're accounting for private and general aviation. What is not safe about the product? Someone please link something that is not pilot or mechanic error by the airlines and who died? I'll keep waiting.

Stop worrying, everything is FINE..

NuttBoxer says

Stop worrying, everything is FINE..

No worries. Seems like the pilots operated the aircraft fine and nothing happened.

I fly Tuesday on a 737 Max. ZERO worries. Mountain out of mole hills. Enjoy being scared. You don't even fly anyway. Most here don't. I know Patrick has and does, but I don't think anyone else does often beside maybe once a year if that.

Boeing disagrees with you, otherwise why murder Barnett?

And by your logic don't ever take your car in for a safety recall, worry maintenance lapses, or research reliability, because it's all the same whether you ever get where you're going, or break down by the side of the road. NO ONE DIED RIGHT!?

I'm not being ridiculous, just taking your ideas and showing you their logical applications. I can only work with the base class you give me...

NuttBoxer says

Boeing disagrees with you, otherwise why murder Barnett?

Link he was murdered... Still waiting. There's not even an investigation. NuttBoxer says

And by your logic don't ever take your car in for a safety recall, worry maintenance lapses, or research reliability, because it's all the same whether you ever get where you're going, or break down by the side of the road. NO ONE DIED RIGHT!?

It's called insurance. And a mechanic. If I can get warranty fine. It's my responsibility to take care of the car. I have AAA and have used it probably 5 times. I don't blame the manufacturer. I'm not calling Nissan or the dealership and saying everything you do is unsafe.

There's no evidence of unsafe and lethal airplanes in the air unless it's the end user not maintaining them. This isn't complicated. Keep digging the hole. Whatever.

https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-boeing-jets-come-out-as-trans-safe-they-are-not-safe-but-they-identify-as-safe/

Wife made it home fine today after some fuckery with weather and delays. 🤷‍♂️ Plane didn't fall apart in a fleet of thousands.

The planes are safe. Everyone needs to get off their retard box on this topic. Seriously. It's a monopoly, but you're all fucked without Boeing. Again, 2 people die out of 145k and it's a problem? Just because they had complaints? That no one knows if they were even valid?

There are thousands of engineers at Boeing. These 2 were the "whistleblower"... lol. And none of the other laborers thought they were doing shit work? Holy fuck. I didn't realize how dumb people could be.

The ONLY reason Boeing is in headlines is because of dip shit international pilots that crashed two planes. This isn't even a question. All these other issues are ALL on the airlines not maintaining their asset. Not even debatable. It has nothing to do with Boeing.

WookieMan says

Tires and engine are poor maintenance. The commonality in the US is United airlines and Alaskan airlines.

Hmmm...

Those two airlines' heavy maintenance centers are in two of the most expensive places in the world to live: SF Bay Area and Seattle. The cost of living in both of those regions are driven by "tech". American (Tulsa) Delta (Atlanta) Southwest (Houston) Jet Blue (El Salvador) have more housing options for blue collar workforce than the SF Bay Area and Seattle.

I dunno what it's like commuting into Seattle from afar, but I do know SF. Commuting in to SFO from far-flung communities where a blue collar worker can afford will be a nightware.... even those who work night shifts. If the employee has a spouse, the spouse will likely also have to be employed full time to make it work. If there's child(ren), well, long commutes, child care, etc will add even more stress and complexity to their lives.

It's hardly surprising that mistakes can happen for such a stressed out workforce. As much as anything else, this is a housing problem

United saw this coming decades ago and so began to transition its heavy maintenance center to Indiannapolis. During the post 9/11 bankrupcty that center was closed.

Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months

Another whistleblower who publicly spoke out about safety issues with Boeing planes has died, less than two months after fellow whistleblower John Barnett died from a gunshot wound police have yet to finish investigating.

Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first to allege wilful ignorance of manufacturing defects on the notorious 737 MAX, died after a “short and sudden illness”, the Seattle Times reports.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/second-boeing-whistleblower-dies-in-less-than-two-months/ar-AA1o0rED