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HeadSet says

It is not racist, it is a valid point of view supported by facts.

Even if it would not be supported by (many) facts, it would still not necessarily be racist.

HeadSet says

I am discussing it here to show that you cannot even acknowledge others point of view but you want others to accept your.

No, you said that people who believe Britain did good things for India were racists. It is not racist, it is a valid point of view supported by facts.

I think "beliefs" cannot be governed by rules applied to speech. So you can believe what ever you want.
But if you are expressing the said beliefs which might affect whole section of people I think I am within my rights to call them that.
If someone uses the Goebbels logic I think its my right to call them on that.

indc says

Pewdiepie is a racist. He lives in UK and he became one just like them. British were calling Indian's names and he too started doing it when we started loosing to a Indian channel.

There's no comparison between the UK and India. India is the most racist country in the world, survey after survey shows.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/most-racist-countries/

As President Mandela's Indian Bodyguard Sam Prakash agrees with African-American tourists and studenst, Indians are the most Racist towards blacks.
https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/2015127/watch-indians-are-the-most-racist-in-the-world-says-mandelas-former-bodyguard/
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/the-dark-face-of-indian-racism-1.61161168
https://homegrown.co.in/article/51888/an-african-american-on-why-he-thinks-india-is-the-most-racist-country

The US/UK does not have huge race riots involving hundreds of people dying that last for days every few years, unlike India.

Indians indicate more than anybody else that they prefer only to live near people like them. It's almost inverse to UK/US preferences. Given the proximity of Muslims, I understand this mentality.

While held up as a model of diversity, Leftists don't want people to actually know that Indians have major Class, Ethnic, and Religious battles on a regular basis.

do you even know what racism means?

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

indc says

do you even know what racism means?

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

It is not racist to believe one's CULTURE and governing systems are superior to others.

I am sure India thinks their culture is superior to Pakistan's - right?

socal2 says

indc says

do you even know what racism means?

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

It is not racist to believe one's CULTURE and governing systems are superior to others.

I am sure India thinks their culture is superior to Pakistan's - right?

Again believing, one can believe whatever people want. Propagating it is the problem.
You dont even know the situation in India and Pakistan. Even after 70yrs after freedom Indians are taught that pakistani's are better than India. That my friend is what happens to psyche after oppression. People just started recognising that India had better civilization compared to others. Again not culture, civilization. That is the reason indians can easily work in other countries.
its funny you have 2 likes would like to know what they like about your comment.

indc says

People just started recognising that India had better civilization compared to others. Again not culture, civilization.

Again you are so hung up on race. Civilization has nothing to do with race - it is about culture.

Definition of civilization
1a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development
specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained
b : the culture characteristic of a particular time or place
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilization

socal2 says

I did not know culture was important part of civilization. Then Indian civilization is not civilization. Indians didn't give a damn about culture because it is not permanent. Technology and knowledge is what represent's "indian culture" then. India is so vast and ancient that culture changes every 100miles. So there is no "indian culture" per se.
Some might complain that people are loosing their culture but changes keep happening.

indc says

I did not know culture was important part of civilization. Then Indian civilization is not civilization. Indians didn't give a damn about culture because it is not permanent. Technology and knowledge is what represent's "indian culture" then. India is so vast and ancient that culture changes every 100miles. So there is no "indian culture" per se.
Some might complain that people are loosing their culture but changes keep happening.

Now you see.

If it was only about race, India would never change. As you point out, Indian culture is more about technology and knowledge these days hence the reason why Indians assimilate well into other countries (at least in America).

I'd argue that Britain had a big impact in changing India's culture by bringing in some modernity. Just like how Britain had a HUGE impact on America's culture.

socal2 says


You guys dont give up, You think India got all this technological acumen because british ruled it? 5000 yr old civilization and 200yrs of british rule is who gave them all this edge.

And then you say you are not racist?

Indian's were exporting knowledge even before europe was figuring out how to survive. And its funny when you said america got culture from british.

indc says

You guys dont give up, You think India got all this technological acumen because british ruled it? 5000 yr old civilization and 200yrs of british rule is who gave them all this edge.

Yes. Products of the Industrial Revolution, and learning how to use them, is entirely British in origin.

India did not have the steam or combustion engines prior to the British bringing them over, and teaching Indians how to maintain and build them.

It's bigoted to deny this fact.

HonkpilledMaster says

indc says

You guys dont give up, You think India got all this technological acumen because british ruled it? 5000 yr old civilization and 200yrs of british rule is who gave them all this edge.

Yes. Products of the Industrial Revolution, and learning how to use them, is entirely British in origin.

India did not have the steam or combustion engines prior to the British bringing them over, and teaching Indians how to maintain and build them.

Are you "strategist"? I had same discussion with him. Just because you had 1 invention it does not mean you are superior. Yes you got lucky. India invented '0' and infinity and gave it to world that does not mean it is better "culture" than others.

indc says

And then you say you are not racist?

Yeah - piss off with your racist charges.

India has made some great strides in recent years, but it still has massive problems - namely being one of the poorest places on earth. I think India is #2 behind Nigeria in number of people living in extreme poverty?

It is not racist or bigoted to point out that India's civilization has some work to do to catch up with the 1st world - if your civilization values the well being and economic health of its people.

If civilization was only based on race as you seem to contend, your country would absolutely be fucked....

socal2 says

indc says

And then you say you are not racist?

Yeah - piss off with your racist charges.

India has made some great strides in recent years, but it still has massive problems - namely being one of the poorest places on earth. I think India is #2 behind Nigeria in number of people living in extreme poverty?

It is not racist or bigoted to point out that India's civilization has some work to do to catch up with the 1st world - if your civilization values the well being and economic health of its people.

If civilization was only based on race as you seem to contend, your country would absolutely be fucked....

Dude dont be mad. it is not a charge, I am just presenting a counter point to what you are saying which I consider as racist. India is poor because british looted it. it will get back its past glory give it few years. It has better govt now hope it gets better governance.
What you think is not going to affect 1.3billion people. I am just trying to help you have better clarity. Maybe your next generation have to serve Indian overlords(Muhahaha).

indc says

Are you "strategist"? I had same discussion with him. Just because you had 1 invention it does not mean you are superior. Yes you got lucky. India invented '0' and infinity and gave it to world that does not mean it is better "culture" than others.

Uh, steam combustion was more revolutionary than agriculture. Steam & Gas Combustion combined was beyond revolutionary.

Also work on Malaria, High Farming, Massive Scale Drainage, Canal Building, Computers (ditto), Refrigeration, Telegraph/Radio, Chemistry, Modern Medicine, etc. etc.

Any one of these were World shocking developments. That there were so many in one place at one time speaks volumes of the society that did it.

Everybody knows the "Zero" and Systemic Algebra were Indian inventions, but don't try to devalue the Amazing, Groundbreaking, and utterly Incredible inventions and discoveries of the British Society.

Here let me tell you a joke. There is a guy(india) walking on the street. Then a mugger(british) comes and asks the guy to give all his belongings. Even after taking everything from the guy the mugger doesn't leave he kicks the guy, passes stupid comments once his ego is satisfied then he leaves. What is the moral of the story?

HonkpilledMaster says

indc says

Are you "strategist"? I had same discussion with him. Just because you had 1 invention it does not mean you are superior. Yes you got lucky. India invented '0' and infinity and gave it to world that does not mean it is better "culture" than others.

Uh, steam combustion was more revolutionary than agriculture. Steam & Gas Combustion combined was beyond revolutionary.

Also work on Malaria, High Farming, Massive Scale Drainage, Canal Building, Computers (ditto), Refrigeration, Telegraph/Radio, Chemistry, Modern Medicine, etc. etc.

Any one of these were World shocking developments. That there were so many in one place at one time speaks volumes of the society that did it.

Everybody knows the "Zero" and Systemic Algebra were Indian inventions, but don't try to devalue the Amazing, Groundbreaking, and utterly Incredible inventions and discoveries of the British Society.

Again I am not denying that british did all this and much much more. But saying that India got everything from Briton is what I am asking you to re-think.
And that thinking is rac*** but you dont like me calling it. You dont know whole world and dont make conclusions based on few things your own people tell you.

indc says

India is poor because british looted it.

I'd say it is poor because governance system is poor and highly corrupt. British looted Hong Kong and Singapore as well. Germany was bombed into oblivion 70 yrs ago. All those countries are now very rich.

Nearly 70 yrs of independence should be enough to get house in order.

indc says

Then a mugger(british) comes and asks the guy to give all his belongings. Even after taking everything from the guy the mugger doesn't leave he kicks the guy

That sadly is human history in nutshell. British vs. Indians, Muslims vs. Indians, Germans vs. the rest of Europe and later the rest of Europe vs. Germans, and so on.

d6rB says

indc says

India is poor because british looted it.

I'd say it is poor because governance system is poor and highly corrupt. British looted Hong Kong and Singapore as well. Germany was bombed into oblivion 70 yrs ago. All those countries are now very rich.

Nearly 70 yrs of independence should be enough to get house in order.

Indc
I dont disagree there. Governance was a problem. People kicked out the party that was ruling for 70 yrs.
But your examples cant compare to India. HongKong singapore are city states. Germany had technology and know-all before the war and recover after war with US help. You can compare what happened to eastern germany.
British left with undefined borders and India is in state of war ever since which again doesn't help with development.


indc says

Then a mugger(british) comes and asks the guy to give all his belongings. Even after taking everything from the guy the mugger doesn't leave he kicks the guy

That sadly is human history in nutshell. British vs. Indians, Muslims vs. Indians, Germans vs. the rest of Europe and later the rest of Europe vs. Germans, and so on.

What is common in all these conflicts - Abrahamic expansionism maybe.

indc says

What is common in all these conflicts - Abrahamic expansionism maybe.

Probably in Muslim vs Indian, in other cases not so much. Adolf liked old Germanic religions AFAIK. In any case, religion always was an additional excuse for looting. Agree though that monotheistic religions typically are more aggressive.
WRT to development, see Japan, S. Korea - they are not city states and were devastated as well. S. Korea is in state of war even now.

d6rB says

indc says

What is common in all these conflicts - Abrahamic expansionism maybe.

Probably in Muslim vs Indian, in other cases not so much. Adolf liked old Germanic religions AFAIK. In any case, religion always was an additional excuse for looting. Agree though that monotheistic religions typically are more aggressive.
WRT to development, see Japan, S. Korea - they are not city states and were devastated as well. S. Korea is in state of war even now.

Again no denying any of that. India tried the socialist approach as it had to ride on Russia's coat tails. That was one of its major mistakes. Capitalist societies prosper which was what India was according to its civilizational ethos. When british left they called it transfer of power that means all the their idiotic laws and ideologies were transferred to new indian government.

It will all change now since the new government is trying to bring back the original Indian ethos.

How many troops did north send to south after DMZ was set. India has to face-off with pakistani troops crossing all the time. And china crossing line of control all the time.

YouTube employees will soon start organizing pride parades.

FortWayneIndiana says

YouTube employees will soon start organizing pride parades.

I think everyone should move to bitchute.

indc says

India tried the socialist approach as it had to ride on Russia's coat tails. That was one of its major mistakes.

That probably set India back another generation. That shitty economic system can screw up cultures and civilization.

Now you have American companies like the one I work for setting up shop in India employing software developers and doing some manufacturing.

Does that work for the original Indian ethos?

socal2 says

indc says

India tried the socialist approach as it had to ride on Russia's coat tails. That was one of its major mistakes.

That probably set India back another generation. That shitty economic system can screw up cultures and civilization.

Now you have American companies like the one I work for setting up shop in India employing software developers and doing some manufacturing.

Does that work for the original Indian ethos?

One of the ethos, make profit.

Steven Crowder was just demonetized.. Not because he broke any policies. Something about links to his T-shirts.

If it wasn't for the Brits we wouldn't have IPA!

just_dregalicious says

If it wasn't for the Brits we wouldn't have IPA!

Whatever british did its for betterment of its people. And I respect that. Nothing wrong in it.

But they dont need to lie that they brought "culture" to India. No need for white man's burden.

indc says

But they dont need to lie that they brought "culture" to India. No need for white man's burden.

So glad to hear the Indians re-invented the Railroad and Antibiotics, refusing to use those objects of British Imperialism.

HonkpilledMaster says

indc says

But they dont need to lie that they brought "culture" to India. No need for white man's burden.

So glad to hear the Indians re-invented the Railroad and Antibiotics, refusing to use those objects of British Imperialism.

really dude, you think railroads and antibiotics are culture? India gave vaccination to west are you going to stop using it?

Is selling wares same as giving culture. Then you should be grateful to china too.

Back to the OP

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indc says

really dude, you think railroads and antibiotics are culture? India gave vaccination to west are you going to stop using it?

Yes, technology is downstream from culture. No doubt about it.

Ask the Sentinelese Islanders.

HonkpilledMaster says

indc says

really dude, you think railroads and antibiotics are culture? India gave vaccination to west are you going to stop using it?

Yes, technology is downstream from culture. No doubt about it.

No wonder west is doomed with that attitude. You can see how many people go berserk with their depression.

indc says

No wonder west is doomed with that attitude. You can see how many people go berserk with their depression.

Yes, doomed to heart transplants, reusable rockets, and the internet.

Nothing is white or black. Everything is a mix of positive and negative. Did British exploit/oppress India to their own benefit? Yes. Did they try to enforce their ideas on India? Yes. Was the latter good or bad? Probably some of both. Railroads, antibiotics=good for sure, as was start to abolish caste system and widow burning. Did, at some point in distant past, India contribute a lot to what we currently know as civilization? Yes. Does India contribute now? Not so much lately. Are the current problems in India result of British or Indians? I think 95+% caused by Indians.

First of all, what does the term, Indo-Aryan mean?

Let's break it down ...

Indo-Aryan is Indo-{ Ancient Persian } or Indianized-{ White Foreign Invader }.

Yes, India was not just ruled by Turkic Moghuls and the British Empire starting from the renaissance times but also, the Maurya & the Kushan "Persians" during ancient times,, nevermind the original Aryan invasion prior to 1200 BCE.

With this many whites screwing around in South Asia, to call out the British, is being hypocritical. India was always to some extent, a white man's bitch even if the earlier whites were Buddhists or Zoroastrians.

Lot of stories of poverty and horrible living conditions in England. British couldn't steal raw materials, gold, diamonds etc fast enough so they build railroads in India

Anything constructive work was done to help British empire. Look at temples from 2000 years ago, they were capable of lot.

European renaissance occurred after they robbed whole world of ideas, materials , technology... And with all that imagine how much they could have helped humanity, but instead they did 2 world wars and destroyed each other.

Only benefit was that they stopped Muslim conversion in india. Existing culture was one of the most peaceful , and provides best options for humanity.

KgK one says

European renaissance occurred after they robbed whole world of ideas, materials , technology... And with all that imagine how much they could have helped humanity, but instead they did 2 world wars and destroyed each other.

Absolutely incorrect. Mine pumping, vacuums, cannon, and of course the amazing attainments in navigation, shipbuilding, and rigging enabled the Europeans to get to India by circling Africa long before Clive. Steam Engines were already being used to pump mines in the 1700s, and of course huge scale canal building and mine railroads (powered by horse or human labor) before that.

European Industrial ingenuity was responsible for 98% of the Economic Power of European Countries. 1% from controlling the carry trade in Asia (ie between China/Japan or China/India), and maybe 1% from all other sources.

There is nothing in Ceylon Tea (which the British planted there by stealing it from China) or Calicos from Kozhikode that doubled European IQ or something.

The intellectual powers from consuming cinnamon (known to Romans anyway) had nothing to do with the 17-19th Industrial and Scientific booms in Europe which multiplied productivity many, many times over.

Also, if there was something special about Indian raw materials that allegedly caused a boom in European Technology, well the Indians were sitting on it for thousands of years and didn't develop the combustion engine or the Periodic Table of the Elements.

Rin says

First of all, what does the term, Indo-Aryan mean?

Let's break it down ...

Indo-Aryan is Indo-{ Ancient Persian } or Indianized-{ White Foreign Invader }.

Yes, India was not just ruled by Turkic Moghuls and the British Empire starting from the renaissance times but also, the Maurya & the Kushan "Persians" during ancient times,, nevermind the original Aryan invasion prior to 1200 BCE.

With this many whites screwing around in South Asia, to call out the British, is being hypocritical. India was always to some extent, a white man's bitch even if the earlier whites were Buddhists or Zoroastrians.

Persians and Indians are pretty much the same. In ancient times india and persia were always fighting with each other and conquering each other.
The term "arya" was first used in India and later started being used by persian kings.
Where did you get stupid idea that buddhists are outsiders to India.
Sorry to burst your bubble RIN. AIT will be forgotten in another 50yrs. it was again one of those racist concepts created by british.

And a few more points:

1. Before the Europeans took over Western Indian ports, they were mostly controlled by Arab Imperialists. This is in addition to the Moghuls, I mean Arabs from the Gulf, not the Persians or Islamic Mongols.

2. The Europeans gained Western Indian Ports because they were first used by Indians as Mercenaries, trading port access to the Portugese to drive out the Muslims

3. Europeans played Indians against each other - easy because they were all mostly petty kingdoms in the South of India, say with the king's younger brother thinking he should be in charge - and ended up in control of small disconnected pieces of India.

4. One day in the late 1700s the British and French realized that instead of manipulating Indians, they might as well just rule directly.