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http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/india_1760.htm
map of India before british started attacking it.
indc saysThis was practiced in one small section of the country
Not true - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
Sati was observed within Sikh aristocracy
sati practice continued during the colonial era, particularly in significant numbers in colonial Bengal Presidency (modern Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal, Bangladesh and Assam
Jahangir, who succeeded Akbar in the early 17th century, found sati prevalent among the Muslims of Rajaur (Kashmir)
Indians were forced to pay for railways 3 times what was paid in England. Couldn't build it themselves?
And I hate to take proof from wiki which puts lot of restrictions on who corrects them?
indc saysIndians were forced to pay for railways 3 times what was paid in England. Couldn't build it themselves?
And yet I'll hear the British didn't pay the Indians what they paid Britons...
Why would exploiters want to pay more for a transportation system that's key to exploiting the country?
That's like a diamond mine where the owner wants to overpay 300% for the mine workers or mine shaft drilling, unheard of (unless it's some kind of socialist program and he pays himself out of fake overages).
A few other things:
Modern Medicine that works (not Herbal crap, proven ineffectual when you look at average lifespans and child mortality)
Industrial Production
Idea of Democracy
How many voters were there in the Moghul or Vijayanagar Empire? Did untouchables or farmers get to vote for King Venkata III? How often was the Kingly Election? The Vijayanagar Parliament?
indc saysThis was practiced in one small section of the country
Not true - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
Sati was observed within Sikh aristocracy
sati practice continued during the colonial era, particularly in significant numbers in colonial Bengal Presidency (modern Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal, Bangladesh and Assam
Jahangir, who succeeded Akbar in the early 17th century, found sati prevalent among the Muslims of Rajaur (Kashmir)
indc saysAnd I hate to take proof from wiki which puts lot of restrictions on who corrects them?
They cite quite a few Indian authors in that wiki article.
I would be happy to get some information other than statements "your sources suck" from you, for example links to reputable historic investigations showing that sati was performed in a very small, Muslim-oppressed area of India.
If you want to believe statistician R.J. Rummel. He said at most 80,000 satis that happened. And India's population was 100,000,000 during that period.
That my friend is 0.0008% if you want to understand.
indc saysIf you want to believe statistician R.J. Rummel. He said at most 80,000 satis that happened. And India's population was 100,000,000 during that period.
That my friend is 0.0008% if you want to understand.
1. Link?
2. That is still 80,000 too many, I'd say. I was poking around and saw that last sati was in Rajastan in 1970's.
Can we have a separate thread for "Brits: Good or Bad for India"?
This thread is about Youtube banning "Anti-Socialist", aka "Hate" Speech.
being racist is not free speech.
It is not racist, it is a valid point of view supported by facts.
I am discussing it here to show that you cannot even acknowledge others point of view but you want others to accept your.
No, you said that people who believe Britain did good things for India were racists. It is not racist, it is a valid point of view supported by facts.
Pewdiepie is a racist. He lives in UK and he became one just like them. British were calling Indian's names and he too started doing it when we started loosing to a Indian channel.
do you even know what racism means?
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
indc saysdo you even know what racism means?
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
It is not racist to believe one's CULTURE and governing systems are superior to others.
I am sure India thinks their culture is superior to Pakistan's - right?
People just started recognising that India had better civilization compared to others. Again not culture, civilization.
I did not know culture was important part of civilization. Then Indian civilization is not civilization. Indians didn't give a damn about culture because it is not permanent. Technology and knowledge is what represent's "indian culture" then. India is so vast and ancient that culture changes every 100miles. So there is no "indian culture" per se.
Some might complain that people are loosing their culture but changes keep happening.
You guys dont give up, You think India got all this technological acumen because british ruled it? 5000 yr old civilization and 200yrs of british rule is who gave them all this edge.
indc saysYou guys dont give up, You think India got all this technological acumen because british ruled it? 5000 yr old civilization and 200yrs of british rule is who gave them all this edge.
Yes. Products of the Industrial Revolution, and learning how to use them, is entirely British in origin.
India did not have the steam or combustion engines prior to the British bringing them over, and teaching Indians how to maintain and build them.
And then you say you are not racist?
indc saysAnd then you say you are not racist?
Yeah - piss off with your racist charges.
India has made some great strides in recent years, but it still has massive problems - namely being one of the poorest places on earth. I think India is #2 behind Nigeria in number of people living in extreme poverty?
It is not racist or bigoted to point out that India's civilization has some work to do to catch up with the 1st world - if your civilization values the well being and economic health of its people.
If civilization was only based on race as you seem to contend, your country would absolutely be fucked....
Are you "strategist"? I had same discussion with him. Just because you had 1 invention it does not mean you are superior. Yes you got lucky. India invented '0' and infinity and gave it to world that does not mean it is better "culture" than others.
indc saysAre you "strategist"? I had same discussion with him. Just because you had 1 invention it does not mean you are superior. Yes you got lucky. India invented '0' and infinity and gave it to world that does not mean it is better "culture" than others.
Uh, steam combustion was more revolutionary than agriculture. Steam & Gas Combustion combined was beyond revolutionary.
Also work on Malaria, High Farming, Massive Scale Drainage, Canal Building, Computers (ditto), Refrigeration, Telegraph/Radio, Chemistry, Modern Medicine, etc. etc.
Any one of these were World shocking developments. That there were so many in one place at one time speaks volumes of the society that did it.
Everybody knows the "Zero" and Systemic Algebra were Indian inventions, but don't try to devalue the Amazing, Groundbreaking, and utterly Incredible inventions and discoveries of the British Society.
India is poor because british looted it.
Then a mugger(british) comes and asks the guy to give all his belongings. Even after taking everything from the guy the mugger doesn't leave he kicks the guy
indc saysIndia is poor because british looted it.
I'd say it is poor because governance system is poor and highly corrupt. British looted Hong Kong and Singapore as well. Germany was bombed into oblivion 70 yrs ago. All those countries are now very rich.
Nearly 70 yrs of independence should be enough to get house in order.
Indc
I dont disagree there. Governance was a problem. People kicked out the party that was ruling for 70 yrs.
But your examples cant compare to India. HongKong singapore are city states. Germany had technology and know-all before the war and recover after war with US help. You can compare what happened to eastern germany.
British left with undefined borders and India is in state of war ever since which again doesn't help with development.
indc saysThen a mugger(british) comes and asks the guy to give all his belongings. Even after taking everything from the guy the mugger doesn't leave he kicks the guy
That sadly is human history in nutshell. British vs. Indians, Muslims vs. Indians, Germans vs. the rest of Europe and later the rest of Europe vs. Germans, and so on.
What is common in all these conflicts - Abrahamic expansionism maybe.
indc saysWhat is common in all these conflicts - Abrahamic expansionism maybe.
Probably in Muslim vs Indian, in other cases not so much. Adolf liked old Germanic religions AFAIK. In any case, religion always was an additional excuse for looting. Agree though that monotheistic religions typically are more aggressive.
WRT to development, see Japan, S. Korea - they are not city states and were devastated as well. S. Korea is in state of war even now.
YouTube employees will soon start organizing pride parades.
India tried the socialist approach as it had to ride on Russia's coat tails. That was one of its major mistakes.
indc saysIndia tried the socialist approach as it had to ride on Russia's coat tails. That was one of its major mistakes.
That probably set India back another generation. That shitty economic system can screw up cultures and civilization.
Now you have American companies like the one I work for setting up shop in India employing software developers and doing some manufacturing.
Does that work for the original Indian ethos?
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https://news.yahoo.com/youtube-ban-hateful-supremacist-videos-170733974.html
So if you make a video about veterans deserving superior treatment, that's hateful? Or elderly people?
Of course, I'll be shocked if they don't pull all the Praeger U. videos while leaving up the "Men should be castrated" "Whiteness is Toxic" and "Anti-Termite" videos will remain.
Regulators, mount up!