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Boston Transplant, this whole housing bubble reminds me so much of the Nasdaq bubble & crash. I know they are different creatures, but like any mania, once the cold, hard realization settles into the consciousness of the masses the worm will turn.
It all comes down to fundamentals. Low paying jobs. Real wages down. Price to income ratio too high. Rent to buy ratio too high. No real reason beyond psychological mechanisms to account for rapid appreciation of assets. Trend towards globalization and outsourcing of US jobs, etc.
Too many empty calories and not enough financial protein. Sooner or later the muscular body economik on steroids will have liver failure and be exposed as the unhealthy animal it truly is.
***Warning: metaphorical analysis not financial advice***
Bap33,
"Investulators"? I'm seeing a glossary inclusion here!
Unlike the ever present "specuvestor" that actually knows they are putting both of their b@lls on a chopping block, the investulator is in deeper denial. "Oh, we didn't buy our home as an investment" ilk. "Investulators" (by all outward appearances) exude an aura of financial sensibility. No momentum players here. Contribute to their 401K (up to employer match) with the balance going to either the Roth or regular IRA with much diversification. But when we dig even a little bit deeper we learn that their "30 Year" is anything but fixed, and they have been secretly absconding equity for yet another "sensible" RE investment. (Which btw crumbles under even the slightest scrutiny).
Outstanding Bap!
Michael Holliday,
"not enough financial protein" LOL!
Reminds of the time George Costanza gets his desk raided by Steinbrenner!
"Nothing but empty calories and male curiousity eh' Georgie boy?"
Randy H,
I do believe we are perhaps already in a "period of grumpiness".
LILLL,
No worries! I can usually find "something" to be grumpy about. I'd rather be grumpy on the sidelines with "big fat stacks" then b-hole deep in a mortgage on a depreciating asset. Yes, I said depreciating asset.
It all comes down to fundamentals. Low paying jobs. Real wages down. Price to income ratio too high. Rent to buy ratio too high. No real reason beyond psychological mechanisms to account for rapid appreciation of assets. Trend towards globalization and outsourcing of US jobs, etc.
True, rent to buy ratio too high. However, I will not count on a correction of price to income ratio.
Randy H should be Sainted, well that is I was a believer in Jeebus. But never the less he patrols his thread like a dobermann, good job Sir. ;)
As a long only position, gold is fine as an ETF.
I'd still keep one's gold position to a very small portion of their total net worth, and only representing capital that they are comfortable losing. That way, when gold is on the upswing they should be re-balancing and taking profits along the way. IMO, this is the only sane way for a layman to hold a commodity position. Try to speculate and you'll lose your shorts.
For those who want to hold physical gold, all I can say is "good luck, hope you can keep your mouth shut, and when you want to use any of it you plan to use all of it at once (or pay huge storage costs for someone else to protect it for you)".
My dabbling in Metals was primarily restricted to physically buying 5 oz gold and 100 oz silver which I bought in the middle of the dot-com meltdown (NASDAQ 3500 and falling). At the time, $1300 for the gold didn't seem either too dangerous to keep around the house and post 9/11 the coins offered a certain amount of comfort when tormented by visions of NYC or DC getting nuked. I will confess that I also bought Vanguard's precious metals index last August (yield around 1-2%) and sold 2-3 months later for a quick 10% return thinking THAT was a bubble spike (missing the 100% run up that followed). Selling the coins: 3 oz at $640 on the positive slope and then the last 2oz and most of the silver at $740 and $15 respecitvely was simply due to inertia rather than any genius; it took that extreme price spike to get me to dig the coins out and make the trip to the coin store.
With 6 month CD rates at 5%, gold has to appreciate at that rate just to tread water. What is it really good for? Platinum at least has lots of catalyst applications and could soar if the winning fuel cell technology, but we've gotten pretty good at using very small quantities in Catalytic Converters.
The biggest problem with commodies (other than crazy beta values compared to historical returns) is that they're produced and used by such a diverse market that you're unlikely to really understand what forces are driving the market. With stocks, if you're a value investor, aren't lied to by corporate accounting and if you buy and hold to avoid transaction costs, you're normally treated to a nice slow and steady return above cash.
Unfortunately, I'm still heavily in cash and have been for 5 years waiting for the housing bubble to burst... sigh. At least its returning 5% again and should finally start outperforming houses as long as Bernanke stays the course...
(NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE... BLAH-BLAH-BLAH. IF I REALLY KNEW WTF WAS GOING ON, I WOULDN'T BE RENTING...)
Thanks DrChaos RE numerical optimizations. Actually, my first real job was as a SAS programmer while still in undergrad. It's been a long time though; so long all that code was on an Amdahl. It's funny now to think about SAS programs that needed JCL headers. I'm still a fairly hardcore software geek, but entirely focused on object/event paradigms -- not exactly the Nirvana of optimizations. I have an older academic version of the FrontLine "Solver.com" optimization libraries for Java, C++, and C# (1.0). Perhaps I need to take another look.
I guess my main question is whether all that is more or less efficient than just turning the problem into a linear approximation and using straight forward matrix algebra.
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Charts and graphs and numbers, oh my!
Increasingly, so-called "upscale" realtorsâ„¢ are using pre-packaged "market and economics" newsletters to push hesitant clients into buying. After all, with the mainstream media throwing so many numbers at the homebuying/homeselling public, who does one turn to for help interpreting what it all means? Of course, your local realtorâ„¢.
I won't name the particular realtorâ„¢ from whom I lifted this particular newsletter. Let's just say he represents "top-end" properties in the SF Bay Area. Assumedly, his clients would include a significant percentage of sophisticated buyers. A lot of these folks read the Wall Street Journal and perhaps need a little "guidance" from their friendly realtorâ„¢ on just what it all means for the real estate market.
Before I share some quotes from the newsletter and my criticisms of the bad economics and logic it invokes, I also refer to a problem we discussed sometime ago in Realtors(tm), Credibility and Influence. There is absolutely no accountability in the real estate industry for what agents say, promise, or write. Nowhere on this entire newsletter do I see Past results are no guarantee of future performance. Or, Buying a home contains inherent risks. I remind that realtorsâ„¢ are charged with helping people in what is for most the single largest financial transaction they will ever engage in. Mutual funds are not permitted to put out "newsletters" like this. Stock brokers are not either, at least not without so many scary disclaimers that all but the most savvy or foolish investor will think twice. But we allow realtorsâ„¢ and mortgage brokers complete freedom to claim whatever they want, whether true or not, without any recourse.
Many of these newsletters, including this one I'm looking at, are produced by Howard Blum & The Financial News & Information Service out of Novato, CA. The product is sold as Daily Economic Insights as a subscription service, which is often then "reframed" and retitled by various agents to include some of the agent's own marketing material and finally distributed to their clients.
The tagline from www.econonews.net (the company's web site) reads: If you need the best financial market, interest rate & real estate market insights available, written in plain English (as in no 'econo-babble')....
Let's see, shall we.
Evidence for this appears to be a nifty little graph in the upper corner titled 5-Years SF Pct. of List Price Sold For which shows March, 06 average home in SF sold for 104.72% of listing price. Source of this data? Well, they credit themselves, Financial News & Information Service. On further inspection, we see that the "average" in the graph is actually a moving average. Nowhere is the period of the moving average disclosed, so we have no idea if this is a 30 day moving average, a 90 day or just whatever moving average yields the highest numbers. Also, notice the range of data is 3/01 through 5/06, apparently carefully chosen to make sure all the moving average trend-lines are well above 100% of listing price.
Conveniently comparing adjusted numbers to unadjusted numbers. Also notice an attempt to put a positive spin on rising mortgage rates. There is also a nifty little graph showing mortgage rates from 5/27/05 to 5/04/06, ranging from about 5.25% to 6.25%. Again, we don't know what this is even measuring, but assuming it is standard 30-year fixed rates on conforming loans, the author is attempting to show that rates aren't likely to rise much more. We could dive into a huge digression on what really drives interest rate policy in the US, but suffices to say that worries about the housing market are only one factor, and a relatively small one at that.
Notice the reactionary disdain for Wall Street and the mainstream media. Of course, if these people aren't saying what you want, they must be bad people.
Wall Street wants the housing market to flounder? Even though every economist knows this will severely impact consumer spending, burden consumer debt even more, and further distress the already negative savings rate? So, Wall Street wants a huge portion of their best, blue-chip stocks to go into the toilet because people quit spending money? Wall Street does love recessions...or maybe econonews would do well to spend a little more time actually listening to some of that "econo-babble".
One more point: real-estate in the US, as an asset class, is NOT CORRELATED to either stocks or bonds. For what these guys are claiming -- a down housing market will drive investment in stocks and bonds -- to be true, it would be a NEGATIVE CORRELATION. Please, someone demonstrate for me any credible academic or industry research that reveals this strong negative correlation. Otherwise, you're just making stuff up.
First, notice the presentation style. It looks a lot better to say that personal income rose 5/10% because there are lot of big numbers there. It doesn't look so pretty to say 0.005 or 0.5%. If you are paid $100,000, then your income rose to a whopping 100,500 per year, or $41.67 per month gross, or about $27.50 net per month. Time to go buy that $2.1M Marina Condo! (See, I can screw around with numbers to make them fit my message too).
Secondly, all sentiment is towards rising inflation, not contained inflation. Reading the "econo-babble" in the Wall Street Journal or Financial Times for any given day and this is blatantly apparent.
One realtorâ„¢ per every 52 people?!?!!!!! Yea, maybe there is a wee bit of competition. And, maybe there's a firestorm coming. What's the percentage of CA residents who buy/sell a home in any given year? I have a sneaking suspicion that there are more realtorsâ„¢ than transactions to be had.
Of course this is all very bad news for realtorsâ„¢, fancy newsletters full of misinformation and spin or not.
--Randy H
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