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Nomograph says

So much incriminating evidence, and so much deflecting.

What is incriminating? A photo with another man proves nothing. Flying on a jet proves nothing. You're not guilty by association. Trump wedding was pre-trafficking and pedo charges on Epstein. A private note? I'm sure you've never sent a birthday card or xmas cards. So he wrote a nasty card for the guys birthday. You could argue he knew what was going on, but that doesn't mean he participated.

If you don't think the left has turned over every rock on this you're delusional. Biden, Obama, Hillary all would have done this already. Instead then went after real estate deals where the lender was satisfied and paid back.

This isn't about Trump. The whole deal is likely about people he's friends with that don't want it getting out. This is both political parties. If the DOJ and FBI just go after one side it's an even worse look. The House will go into recess and I think he'll formulate a plan. After Labor Day I predict some movement.

Why did Democrats not release Epstein files in 2021-24 if Trump would be seriously implicated?

It seems this is a Kabuki theater played for us by both parties. Kind of similar to balanced budgets where party not in power always accuses the other one for being financially irresponsible.

That's a take that never occurred to me.

It seems very unlikely, but without full release of all the files, we will never know.

I find Trump's lack of transparency disturbing.

Anything is possible.

No, it was the Tooth Fairy with the Easter Bunny, they did it.

Someone please tell me: who wanted Epstein dead and for what purpose? It's assumed he had already spilled his guts before they locked him up.

Why would the Democrats not try to implicate Trump previously? Instead, they had to invent a phony "collusion with Russia" hoax. Later, they invented a "collusion with Ukraine" hoax.

clambo says

No, it was the Tooth Fairy with the Easter Bunny, they did it.

Someone please tell me: who wanted Epstein dead and for what purpose? It's assumed he had already spilled his guts before they locked him up.

Why would the Democrats not try to implicate Trump previously? Instead, they had to invent a phony "collusion with Russia" hoax. Later, they invented a "collusion with Ukraine" hoax.

i don’t think Trump is. but he’s fighting the release for what reason? he’s adding suspicion by not having sunlight.

it is possible it’s both Trump and Clinton or something like that. so both sides keep quiet.

I don't think Trump is a pedophile. I believe he doesn't want the Epstein rat's nest to overshadow Obama's crimes, which is what the Left is trying to do.

WookieMan says

What is incriminating? A photo with another man proves nothing. Flying on a jet proves nothing. You're not guilty by association. Trump wedding was pre-trafficking and pedo charges on Epstein. A private note? I'm sure you've never sent a birthday card or xmas cards. So he wrote a nasty card for the guys birthday. You could argue he knew what was going on, but that doesn't mean he participated.

Bd6r says

It seems this is a Kabuki theater

Fortwaye says

i don’t think Trump is.

porkchopXpress says

I don't think Trump is a pedophile. I believe he doesn't want the Epstein rat's nest to overshadow Obama's crimes, which is what the Left is trying to do.

It must be exhausting have to cope so hard.

Occam's' razor - and Trump knows a lot more than you or I do.

Epstein is a dead end. We all know that no one is going to jail. Trump doesn't want this movement to burn up political energy on a dead letter issue.

Do you want to bog down the current impetus because children are being buggered? - which has gone on for the entire history of the species and will continue to go on to the end of the species - or do you want use the current big dick energy to point the governing experiment that is the United States of America in a different direction?

You aren't going to change human nature and life isn't fair. Grow the fuck up.

Eye's on the prize people.

The whole deal is shadowed in fear money, corruption, greed, blackmail, sin. Nobody really cares I sure don't, he is dead the list doesn't mean anything if it came out it has already been altered, deleted, redacted. End of story. Media wants to point fingers on people when we should be pointing ours at them. Shame on this stupid list.

I disagree. When both Pelosi and Trump agree that we should all look the other way, that's proof that we should focus on Epstein more than anything else.

Why not just realease all the evidence?

Clearly both sides of the uniparty are implicated in awful crimes.

Patrick says

I disagree. When both Pelosi and Trump agree that we should all look the other way, that's proof that we should focus on Epstein more than anything else.

Why not just realease all the evidence?

Clearly both sides of the uniparty are implicated in awful crimes.

that’s what i want. let the chips fall where they may. truth and sunlight is a prerequisite for a high trust society.

Patrick says

Why not just realease all the evidence?

This.

Of course, we all know the answer to the question.

Nomograph says

Of course, we all know the answer to the question.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-2002-pic-epstein-195200112.html

Hillary.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Hillary.

Hillary Clinton is stopping Trump from releasing the Epstein files?

It must be so tiring to cope this hard.

Patrick says

I disagree. When both Pelosi and Trump agree that we should all look the other way, that's proof that we should focus on Epstein more than anything else.

Why not just realease all the evidence?

Clearly both sides of the uniparty are implicated in awful crimes.

Fair enough, but if you are right (and you are) that is all the more reason to bury this and move on. If both sides are implicated then who is going to bring the indictments?

I'm not saying you're wrong - you're not - I'm saying that no one is going to jail and this is deepening the mud that Trump has to slog through to get other things done. I'm not dying on this hill. Believe me - I'm no fan of trump, but I cannot ignore the good things that are happening under his presidency.

Finally, if by some miracle every Billionaire, every congressman, every rock star, every influencer, every movie star went to jail for child rape - it wouldn't matter. Some men are animals. The only way out of this is to kill every single person on the planet with an IQ below 125 - and I'm not sure even that would do it.

I think it would matter a lot if we finally got proof that the law actually does apply to the powerful.

Without that, the government is entirely illegitimate.

As much that I'd like the truth to come out, politics is always the politics of what is possible, and I'm grateful we chose the path we're on, too many good things happening. If that's all demonrats have to cling onto now, it's a sad state of affairs for them. Also fun fact regarding Occam's razor: Trump - as opposed to other prominent figures who only have/had money but no looks or game - could have grabbed anybody by her pussy as observed in the famous locker room braggadocio tapes, he didn't need any of these girls. Let's prosecute Obummer the ole race baiter, plenty of evidence there instead. George Zimmerman approves!

Obama is far more important than Epstein.

Patrick says

I think it would matter a lot if we finally got proof that the law actually does apply to the powerful.

Without that, the government is entirely illegitimate.

We get proof to the contrary all the time.

I like your youthful naïvety tho @Patrick

PanicanDemoralizer says

Obama is far more important than Epstein.

The people who ran the Epstein operation have far more power than Obama ever did. Not Epstein himself, but the people he was working for.

That's why Obama might be prosecuted, while we have strange spectacle of Pelosi and Trump both telling us in unison to STFU about Epstein.

You should look exactly at what they desperately do not want you looking at.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Obama is far more important than Epstein.

we can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time

Bd6r says

We get proof to the contrary all the time.

Right, I'm saying that that proof to the contrary is what makes the government illegitimate.

That's why the Epstein case is more important than anything else, except the mass murder by mandated mRNA.

Another way to look at it: they're telling the base to heel, and they heel. Good dog.

Sit, beg, look over there at Obama! Look over there at Obama! Not at Epstein!

The timing of the Obama thing is tell. Epstein gets hot, finally, and... SQUIRREL!

That was the first thing my wife said when they started talking about Obama: "Funny timing, lol."

https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/nato-expansion-the-root-cause-of

I have been all over the Russiagate matter since 2017. ... I am glad the information is finally coming out, but I knew this seven years ago. What took them so long? While Tulsi’s revelations are legit, I think she is releasing this information now to distract attention away from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Trump is getting killed in the polls — reportedly he is down 40% points on this issue.

Epstein's enabler is in prison already.

The girls were underage hookers and they don't want their names released to the public.

The reason you see photographs of Epstein with various famous people is the same reason you see photographs of famous people who attended Jeff Bezos' wedding. People are curious and sometimes want to rub shoulders with rich people. Epstein at that time was known for being rich. Conversely, rich people sometimes like all of the attention; Warren Buffet comes to mind.

I don't give a shit about Epstein nor some imaginary "files" with a "secret list of names of men." We already know about Prince Andrew.

Illegals and taxes impact my daily life; conspiracy theories do not.

What we know:

Epstein took advantage of women including underage girls (statutory rape) who essentially sold themselves for pay or benefits/donations including funding education/arts or just spending money/bank cards/gift cards. Gislaine helped groom girls for this illegal sexual activity and may have even abused girls herself.

Epstein became very rich, very fast. The kind of wealth that means he literally had the nicest place in NYC, owned and island and had multiple servants waiting on him for meals and everything. He became so wealthy, so fast that it seems implausible that he earned it through trading or other “legitimate “ means. The sex stuff is not legal, but becoming wealthy fast is not illegal. So, it is probably not admissible in court how he became rich. That means we won’t know the truth there, ever, if the people who made him wealthy have any say in the matter. And they do, they always do.

It is likely that Epstein was working with the CIA, and in fact his lenient sentencing/plea deal was predicated on the fact he worked with “intelligence”/CIA.

He was connected with wealthy people in USA, Europe, and Middle East. He told a friend (who basically broke off the relationship after his sentencing in Florida, that he patterned his life after the 1967 James Bond knock off novel called “The man from O.R.G.Y.” He told his friend that if she read it, it basically explains his actions/activity or in his words it explains everything.

If what he told his friend is true and he was basically working for the government, on secret intelligence/blackmail schemes involving exploitation of minors, which happened with the full knowledge if not permission of the CIA, then basically everything he did is “classified”, or certainly the intelligence he gathered could be considered state secrets, including the methods he used to gather the information.

Oh, and he is dead now with his accomplice in prison. So, I know many here would like full exposure of this government sponsored child exploitation.

Why would Trump feel that it should not be exposed? Maybe some of his friends or even himself can be implicated in the scandal. Or maybe he doesn’t want his country’s sins exposed on the world stage, risking a total loss of public faith in our institutions and collapse of the America he took a bullet to make great again.

I don’t know. But I don’t think The Epstein/CIA operation is worth more of our time investigating, discussing or finger pointing.

Do you want to defund the CIA? Be careful what you wish for, the new world order globalists are itching to create their one world digital gulag complete with essentially an international police and “justice” system. If you think the American system is bad corrupt and tyrannical, wait until the Antichrist sets up shop.

It could very well be that Christians in America are the only thing standing in the way of the Antichrist and Satan’s effort to dominate the world and replace God with worship of the angel of light Satan fools people into believing in. When America falls will this bring on the Antichrist?

Revelation 13:16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

And you know what, here’s an exponentially more important question. If you have spent more time or energy on Epstein and the CIA scandal in the past days or month, than you have in knowing the God who Created you, Loves you, gave Himself for you and has power to save you, then why don’t you give God His due and seek Him like you are seeking the Epstein files?

Patrick says

https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/nato-expansion-the-root-cause-of

I have been all over the Russiagate matter since 2017. ... I am glad the information is finally coming out, but I knew this seven years ago. What took them so long? While Tulsi’s revelations are legit, I think she is releasing this information now to distract attention away from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Trump is getting killed in the polls — reportedly he is down 40% points on this issue.

The Russiagate and FISA court stuff was literally set up to change an election and it was done by our government. Whether the timing is a distraction or not, it's exponentially more dangerous to this country. It then brings it back to election fraud in 2020 with Biden getting the most votes by a long shot in American history. Point is does anyone trust the election process at this point anymore? I don't. That's a problem with bigger consequences.

POTUS is the most powerful person in the world militarily and financially. If the government itself is putting their finger on the scale we're basically done as a country.

Epstein can wait. if the CIA was involved and Trump knows about it he could have already started firing agents involved with it. At the end of the day you're going to need a legit whistle blower. If the operation was as big as they say, someone will talk. Given the age of the men and timeline you might get a guy with cancer that could be convicted but needs to be in a hospital and will just spill the details.

Maxwell also supposedly agreed to go under oath for a committee. Fact is Congress has a lot of shit going on. Stuff that affects constituents which is what they were elected for. Epstein will come to light at some point, but Trump has to fix a shit show that Biden left him. I'd rather have those things taken care of first. I do think Trump will get to it. It's also leverage to hold it back to get things done that benefit us all. Eventually it will come out. He's a lame duck after all. I think it happens this fall.

Midterms are of concern, but if he mostly shut down the border and is booting illegals out, that could help with votes. He needs to focus on the house districts that are contested and do ICE raids there. He could flip 4-6 seats maybe in purple districts. So yeah, Epstein stuff is on the bottom of the totem pole is the point. Chop off the top first. Trump will get there eventually.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Obama is far more important than Epstein.

How's this for a novel idea? It's kind of like walking and chewing gum at the same time. Why can't the vaunted Justice Department, which employs over 115,000 Justice Department Warriors, do both Obama & Epstein? Based upon your voluminous previous comments on the subject, a blackmail operation involving over 1,000 innocent children, with connections to Israel, somehow just does not even appear on your radar screen.

Why is that Mr. Panicans?

PeopleUnited says

And you know what, here’s an exponentially more important question. If you have spent more time or energy on Epstein and the CIA scandal in the past days or month, than you have in knowing the God who Created you, Loves you, gave Himself for you and has power to save you, then why don’t you give God His due and seek Him like you are seeking the Epstein files?

Message to the US Justice Department; drop everything right now, quit your jobs, volunteer at a soup kitchen and go to a 'rapture ready' church. I mean, why would bringing justice to pedophiles be more important than your souls?

Just when you think it can't get any weirder, it does.

PeopleUnited says

Epstein became very rich, very fast. The kind of wealth that means he literally had the nicest place in NYC

ROFL ! Perhaps the most smartest, wisest statement ever posted on Patrick.net or anywhere else for that matter!

Epstein 'bought' the most expensive residential real estate in New York City from Leslie Wexner, the then owner of Victoria's Secret. Wexner is a Jewish Billionaire with very close ties to the State of Israel. What was the 'sales price' of Wexner's NYC mansion to Jeffrey Epstein? YOU CANNOT MAKE THESER THINGS UP ... ready? $0. That's right. The most expensive piece of residential real estate in NYC was sold to Epstein for $NOTHING.

AND, who was the ONLY financial client on record that the brilliant Jeffrey Epstein had? None other than Leslie Wexner!

Do not look any further folks. Israel had absolutely nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile blackmail business ... as in $NONE.

Funny little piece of Epstein Trivia: what former Mossad Chief, former Israeli Prime Minister, former IDF General, had a close personal relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and visited with Epstein 'dozens of times' ? According to the Times of Israel:

Ehud Barak met with Jeffrey Epstein dozens of times, flew on private plane — report

Former prime minister visited disgraced financier and child abuser about 30 times in 2013-2017, including 2014 private flight in Florida

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ehud-barak-met-with-jeffrey-epstein-dozens-of-times-flew-on-private-plane-report/

PS: Now let's not draw any conclusions. Just because it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck absolutely does not mean that it is a duck. And anyone that thinks any differently is one of those them there conspiracy nuts, and also one of them anti-semites.

PeopleUnited says

It is likely that Epstein was working with the CIA, and in fact his lenient sentencing/plea deal was predicated on the fact he worked with “intelligence”/CIA.

He was connected with wealthy people in USA, Europe, and Middle East.

Let me go way out on a limb and take a really wild guess. Epstein was connected to 'wealthy people' as in Arabs in the 'Middle East' ?? I knew it all along.

PS: did Acosta actually name the CIA when he stated that Epstein was working for "intelligence," or, did you just take the liberty to add that? LOL

Some people hate the fact that God made Israel a prosperous nation again. Some people were jealous of how prosperous the children of Israel were in Europe too, so they implemented a plan called the final solution. Well they tried and failed. Just like Hamas failed, Iran failed, Egypt failed many years ago, and anyone else who seeks to unjustly paint the nation of Israel as illegitimate will fail as well. God will judge Israel, but He will also redeem a remnant. I think that is what pisses the Devil and his minions off the most, they think if they destroy Israel they can prevent Gods plan of redemption from coming to fruition. But despite Satan’s efforts God plan is unstoppable.

Romans 11:25“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.”

Jesus will return just as He promised, to redeem a remnant of the children of Israel who turn from their unbelief, pride and ignorance and trust Jesus as their true messiah, the one promised to Adam, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Israel will repent and believe and then Jesus will save them. He will return to remind everyone, but especially the Jews, that He is the one true God.