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Killing Civilians: The New Normal - WSJ


               
2023 Oct 22, 6:03am   1,073 views  15 comments

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The most noted aspect of Hamas’s attack on Israel is that its fighters on the ground explicitly targeted Israeli civilians for killing. Israelis were shot while driving along the street. They were pulled from their homes and killed. Hamas carried out the mass murder of some 260 people at the Tribe of Nova music festival.
The reaction of any normal person to these scenes, especially because the images are put on screens by the hour, is horror. President Biden called the Hamas attack “sheer evil.” True. But that suggests an event falling outside our daily experience, a rarity. No longer.

The moment has arrived to recognize that for the adversaries of the free world, killing innocent civilians is the new normal.

Vladimir Putin, a purported friend of Israel, has said little, other than blaming a failure of U.S. policy in the Middle East. No surprise there. What Hamas did to the Israelis is what Mr. Putin has been doing to civilians in Ukraine for almost two years.
Since the February 2022 invasion, it is estimated that about 10,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed. Russia has killed hundreds with missiles fired into residential areas of Ukrainian cities and towns. It has targeted schools, hospitals and food markets.
Just last week, a Russian rocket killed more than 50 people attending a funeral in the village of Hroza. The Russian siege of Mariupol last year killed thousands of civilians. Russia has shelled columns of refugees. One of the most infamous atrocities was the massacre of men, women and children by Russian soldiers in Bucha, north of Kyiv.
I want to emphasize: These civilian deaths—by Hamas in Israel and Russia in Ukraine—are not collateral damage from urban warfare. They are part of the war plan, thought out by calm men sitting around a table, in Moscow or Beirut, looking at maps and civilian targets.
In 2015 and into 2016, Mr. Putin—and Hezbollah—helped Syrian President Bashar al-Assad implement the siege of Aleppo in northern Syria, which also targeted schools and hospitals. Some 75% of the fatalities were civilians. Thousands were children.
On Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu likened Hamas’s murders to the “atrocities of ISIS.” The Islamic State perfected the targeting of innocent civilians during the Iraq war, such as the 2016 bombing that killed 200 people on a Baghdad shopping street.
Afghanistan’s Taliban became synonymous with the killing of innocent civilians, culminating in the August 2021 bombing at Kabul’s airport that killed dozens of civilians and 13 U.S. service members.
What few gains Mr. Putin made in eastern Ukraine were facilitated by Yevgeny Prigozhin’s Wagner Group paramilitaries, including, as The Wall Street Journal reported, the atrocities against civilians in Bucha. The Wagner Group has been linked to hundreds of civilian killings in Mali and the Central African Republic.
Hamas and Hezbollah, whatever their ideological underpinnings, are now essentially Iran’s own Wagner Group. Killing Israelis is what they do, for money.

It is affecting to note there are—or were—international rules, most prominently the Geneva Conventions, against the acts described in this grim catalog (to which add China and the Uyghurs). Such acts are called war crimes or crimes against humanity.
That is increasingly unenforced parchment paper. Crimes against humanity are becoming normalized.

Again, consider Ukraine. After two years, a numbness about Mr. Putin’s civilian atrocities has set in. So much so that some House Republicans, including speaker candidate Jim Jordan, and at least one GOP presidential candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy, are open to defunding Ukraine. Gov. Ron DeSantis is ambivalent.
The standard argument against more funding for Ukraine is that there is “no plan.” Israel has a plan: Defeat Hamas. How about this plan for Ukraine: Defeat Russia.

Some, aware of the Ukraine example, are asking how long this week’s outpouring of support for Israel will last. Good question. The Hamas-Iranian strategy may be to drive the Israel Defense Forces to enter Gaza’s dense neighborhoods, ensuring the death of Israeli soldiers from roadside bombs, killing local civilians as well, and, as planned, eroding the world’s morale.

Another question for the we’re-done-with-the-world wing of the Republican Party is how many Americans would they leave on the other side. Hostage-taking, along with civilian killings, is now established in our adversaries’ playbook.

Hamas is holding more than 100 people hostage, including an uncounted number of Americans. Hamas’s paymaster and planner, Iran, just exchanged five American hostages for $6 billion. Mr. Putin, who has abducted hundreds of Ukrainian children into re-education camps inside Russia, is holding Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich and former Marine Paul Whelan.
Our adversaries—Russia, Iran, China and North Korea—will continue the mass killing of civilians and hostage-taking as a strategic policy until the U.S. decisively counters this awful new normal.

That means funding a credible U.S. military deterrent and ensuring that the Israelis and Ukrainians have the means to defeat uncivilized enemies. The likely alternative is another lapse into pre-9/11 complacency. The cost of that, this week has proved again, is too high.

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1   MolotovCocktail   2023 Oct 22, 6:05am  

RWSGFY says

The most noted aspect of Hamas’s attack on Israel is that its fighters on the ground explicitly targeted Israeli civilians for killing


Same for Nazi Ukeys shelling Russians in Eastern Ukraine for years before Russia finally said 'enough'.
2   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Oct 22, 6:21am  

RWSGFY says


What Hamas did to the Israelis is what Mr. Putin has been doing to civilians in Ukraine for almost two years.
Since the February 2022 invasion, it is estimated that about 10,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed. Russia has killed hundreds with missiles fired into residential areas of Ukrainian cities and towns. It has targeted schools, hospitals and food markets.

And after a reasonable intro, here is where it goes off the rails. Not taking sides here in the Hamas-Israel war, Israel has been bombing civilians in Gaza as well as it is claimed Russia has. Now it may be that is where Hamas is hiding weapons and materiel, but so may Ukraine.
3   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Oct 22, 6:43am  

And to be clear, no civilians were killled in the London blitz, the firebombing of Dresden, nor the nuking of Hiroshima. What a totally shit story.

I am finding that the quality of propaganda is sinking to a new low, likely because it ain’t possible to get lipstick on this pig

BTW, describing the American hostages as American is inaccurate. They are Israeli-American, or American-Israeli, if you prefer.
5   Someone_else   2023 Oct 22, 11:11am  

At least they somewhat gave numbers for the Paradise/campfire civilian count (85?).
Complete clstrfck as to EVER getting a west Maui count.
6   Ceffer   2023 Oct 22, 11:28am  

The recent hospital parking lot brouhaha showed American JDAM bomb (distinctive sound and air blast compared to weenie Hamas rockets, airplane delivered) combined with DEW creating the distinctive damage to cars. Israeli touted "Iron Boner" DEW weapon to 'intercept rockets' is unapologetically DEW now.

DEWs are out of the closet, except for the willfully self deluded dafter propaganda consumers in thumb sucking denial. How long they will be used for false flags and real estate condemnation projects with the people still in them is the question.
8   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 22, 11:41am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says


And to be clear, no civilians were killled in the London blitz, the firebombing of Dresden, nor the nuking of Hiroshima.


Did you fall asleep in 1945 and woke up yesteday and missed all the conventions and agreements signed after WWII exactly to
prevent that from happening again? Saying stuff like "it's normal to deliberately target civilians because somebody did it 1944" is like saying burning witches at a stake is acceptable because it was a SOP in 16th century.
9   Patrick   2023 Oct 22, 11:48am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

RWSGFY says
"What Hamas did to the Israelis is what Mr. Putin has been doing to civilians in Ukraine for almost two years."

And after a reasonable intro, here is where it goes off the rails.


I agree. Hamas deliberately, personally slaughtered unarmed civilians.

That is extremely different from conventional warfare. "Dead is dead" does not apply to the difference between unintended collateral damage and intended maximization of the murder of unarmed civilians for political reasons, which is the very definition of terrorism.

So the whole WSJ article is discredited as mere propaganda starting from that line.
10   socal2   2023 Oct 22, 1:50pm  

Patrick says

I agree. Hamas deliberately, personally slaughtered unarmed civilians.


Apparently Israel is going to release to the media tomorrow most of the previously unseen and gruesome murder/torture videos Hamas made with their GoPros.

We are barely 2 weeks after the unprecedented massacre and there is already a significant Truther movement denying what's before our very eyes.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1716133054865867040
11   Onvacation   2023 Oct 22, 2:05pm  

Where were all the hot Israeli soldier chicks with the m-16's? Don't the Israeli's have an armed and highly monitored border? LIHOP?

Rhetorical questions. I'm not the first one to bring this up.
socal2 says


there is already a significant Truther movement

did you misspell troofer?
12   Ceffer   2023 Oct 22, 3:09pm  

"Who is Hamas"? These days, you have to know from pawn to king, and if it is the same king, or if the kings they show you aren't actually the kings.
Isn't that the question, rather than what atrocities they did (or alleged they did)? Everybody is programmed to skip right past origins and purpose to team sports emotional rhetoric divisions on both unisides.

The atrocities are blood sacrifices. Israel with its obvious false flag has gotten itself into a bind here. Either they start WWIII, or they become the blood sacrifice, or they slaughter the Palestinians into submission, or some combination of the above. Their reckless owners don't seem to care either way, it's an Illuminati win-win-win. You think the KMaf Nazis are going to stick around for the denouement if things don't roll their way?
13   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Oct 23, 8:22am  

RWSGFY says

Killing Civilians: The New Normal - WSJ


This isn't new. If you'd ever fought in any war, lived in a war zone, or paid attention, you'd know civilians are routinely killed as part of war. I think what you meant to say was Targeting Civilians. This has happened many times as well, though mostly in ethnic and religious conflicts, both of which apply to Israel v Palestine.

The worst part is you only recognize civilian targets on one side of the conflict. What do you call someone who only recognizes murder when it's done to certain ethnicities, or by certain governments or organizations? We have many examples of this double standard throughout history. I'd say the most accurate term is genocide advocate.
14   apex   2023 Oct 25, 9:58am  

RWSGFY says
The moment has arrived to recognize that for the adversaries of the free world, killing innocent civilians is the new normal.


I can't believe they actually pay people to post this drivel. Propaganda isn't what it used to be.
15   zzyzzx   2023 Oct 25, 11:36am  

Irresponsible journalism on part of the WSJ. Wars of annihilation go back thousands for years.

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