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Unlike most military operations that have been taken over the last few decades, the Israelis have actually gone out and DECLARED WAR on Hamas. That's kiinda old school...a real war.

A real war wouldn't be fought by an advanced military against an area full of mostly children. A real war doesn't start in an area you've blockaded and refused exit to civilians for decades. A real war isn't fought against people where you control their electricity and water. The comparison is ridiculous.

Many innocent men, women, and children killed in bombing of Gaza's largest refugee camp, but they got that ONE guy!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/middleeast/jabalya-blast-gaza-intl/index.html

(See OP title)

11 soldiers killed in battles deep inside Gaza, as military toll mounts

Gallant says bitter combat taking a heavy price, but hails significant achievements; communications in Gaza cut again as ground and air ops continue overnight.

Eleven soldiers were killed in fighting deep inside the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, Israeli authorities announced early Wednesday, bringing the day’s death toll among troops to 13 as leaders warned of the “heavy toll” being paid by troops to eliminate the Hamas terror group.

Israeli forces continued to attack targets overnight and on Wednesday from the ground and air, killing dozens of members of the terror group, the Israel Defense Forces said. Activity appeared to be focused in Jabaliya, a Hamas stronghold on the outskirts of Gaza City pounded by airstrikes overnight and again during the day Wednesday.

Seven soldiers from the Givati Infantry Brigade’s Tzabar Battalion were killed when a Namer armored personnel carrier they were in was hit by an anti-tank guided missile fired by Hamas, the IDF said. Another four soldiers were wounded in the same incident, including one seriously.

They were named as Sgt. Adi Danan, 20, from Yavne; Staff Sgt. Halel Solomon, 20, from Dimona; Staff Sgt. Erez Mishlovsky, 20, from Oranit; Staff Sgt. Adi Leon, 20, from Nili; Cpl. Ido Ovadia, 19, from Tel Aviv; Cpl. Lior Siminovich, 19, from Herzliya; and Staff Sgt. Roei Dawi, 20, from Jerusalem.

Two more soldiers from the 77th Battalion of the 7th Armored Brigade — Lt. Ariel Reich, 24, from Jerusalem and Cpl. Asif Luger, 21, from Yagur — were killed when their tank drove over an explosive device. Another two troops were seriously hurt in the same incident. A soldier from Givati’s Rotem Battalion was seriously wounded in separate clashes with terrorists in the Gaza Strip, the IDF said.

Family members and local authorities also announced that 2nd Lt. Pedayah Mark, 22, was killed in the fighting, as well as Staff Sgt. Roi Sargosti from the Ramat Hanegev Regional Council. The fatalities were not confirmed by the IDF, which generally waits for all family members to be notified.

Mark, from the West Bank settlement of Otniel, was the son of Rabbi Michael Mark, who was killed in a 2016 West Bank shooting attack. He was moderately hurt in that attack.

On Tuesday night, the IDF announced that Staff Sgt. Roei Wolf, 20, from Ramat Gan, and Staff Sgt. Lavi Lipshitz, 20, from Modiin, who both served in the Givati Infantry Brigade’s reconnaissance unit, had been killed. The army said early Wednesday that the two died when a building they were in was hit by an RPG.

The casualty toll underlined the threats soldiers are facing as the army shifts to fraught urban combat in Gaza’s crowded streets after weeks of a punishing air campaign. The urban combat zone is thought to be awash in bombs and booby traps and undercut by a vast network of tunnels used by terrorists to ambush or surprise troops.

“The loss of IDF soldiers in battles with Hamas terrorists in Gaza is a severe and painful blow,” Defense Minister Yoav Gallant posted on X, formerly Twitter, on Wednesday morning, sending his condolences to the families of the fallen.

“Our significant achievements in the powerful fighting deep in the Strip are taking, to our sorrow, a heavy toll,” he said, vowing that Israel was ready for a long and complex operation.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-9-soldiers-killed-battling-hamas-deep-inside-gaza-as-military-toll-mounts/

Quaint that CNN is calling it a Refugee Camp like it is something new due to the current conflict. It has been there since 1948, is built up with houses, businesses, etc. You can see in one of the pictures that a tunnel or underground bunker was collapsed there.

The IDF does not target civilians. Intent is everything.

NuttBoxer says

I've worked with Iranian's, Iraqi's, Pakistani's, and I've always found them to be some of the most polite, well mannered people. A lot of you here could stand some lessons from them.

The problem is Muslims(Arabs) like Jews, never call out their bad apples and they use propaganda to twist any deriding of the bad apples, as an all out assault on the people as a whole. So if that is the premise and rules you set for your people. Then you can't criticize one without criticizing them all.
Unlike Christians, we call out pervy, corrupt, Marxist, and dishonest Priest and Christians all the time. The media makes no distinction between Good Christians, and the bad Christians. In fact there's an all out war against Christianity in all denominations in almost every country around the world. So spare me the fake outrage.

The Israelis do not want their children to be Martyrs. The Palestinians do. You can see that clearly in the photo with the men with the dead children. It was totally staged with the dead children as props. Know how you can tell? It is because there are no women in the photo. A picture of a grieving mother elicits feelings of sorrow, but a group of men with dead children elicits feelings of revenge, and that is what the Palestinians want to project. For them it is all optics. - Yes, they are a bunch of sick fucks.

Look at the photos in the article.

Senior Hamas official says over and over again that they will continue murdering and torturing Jews to death until there is no Israel.

What is there left to discuss other than completely destroying Hamas and their supporters?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1719665588228751481

Useful idiots in the West........."but this is not a real war, Palestinians are in an open air prison!"

NuttBoxer says

A real war wouldn't be fought by an advanced military against an area full of mostly children. A real war doesn't start in an area you've blockaded and refused exit to civilians for decades. A real war isn't fought against people where you control their electricity and water. The comparison is ridiculous.

If Hamas did not want a "real war" thrust upon them, they probably shouldn't have PURPOSEFULLY attacked, tortured, killed and kidnapped thousands of innocent civilians enraging their much stronger next door neighbor.

NuttBoxer says

Many innocent men, women, and children killed in bombing of Gaza's largest refugee camp, but they got that ONE guy!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/middleeast/jabalya-blast-gaza-intl/index.html

(See OP title)

Reports that there were several sinkhole collapses and secondary explosions after the Israeli strike from Hamas terrorist tunnels.

https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1719363073847308710

Hamas is threatening a repeat of their October 7th atrocities. Now is the time for the citizens not blood thirsty Terrorists, to stand up and rebuke that threat.
(Hand to Ear)(Crickets Chirping)

If they at least were men among Hamas that fought an honorable fight against their enemies armies, then I could respect them.
And the civilians of Palestine are no better for not calling them out.
Why and how is the Israel forces, undertaking incursions into Palestine unopposed by the Hamas cowards?
They are not a legitimate Army they are terrorists, irregardless who created them.

Hey, NB, pretzel around this:

Hamas Official Mousa Abu Marzouk: The Tunnels in Gaza Were Built to Protect Hamas Fighters, Not Civilians; Protecting Gaza Civilians Is the Responsibility of the U.N. and Israel

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1718973338486260097

This is basically an equivalent of taking your child to a shootout with the police while you are wearing a bulletproof vest and your kid doesn't and then crying about "muh police brutality" over her dead body.

If you ever wacthed Clint Eastwood’s Letters from Iwo Jima flick, this may look familiar. Japanese fighters popping up from tunnels to kill US GI’s, except not with RPG’s.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1719756956598980928

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Ifyou ever wacthed Clint Eastwood’s Letters from Iwo Jima flick, this may look familiar. Japanese fighters popping up from tunnels to kill US GI’s, except not with RPG’s.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1719756956598980928

We're not talking about tactical advantages of using unnels for fighting. We're talking about the immorality of NOT building shelters for your own population and then initiating hostilities knowing that inevitable armed response puts them in danger. They openly admit their conscious decision to not build shelters because it's "not their responsibility". These are the people who claim they are the legitimate government of "Palestine".

Misc says

Quaint that CNN is calling it a Refugee Camp like it is something new due to the current conflict. It has been there since 1948, is built up with houses, businesses, etc. You can see in one of the pictures that a tunnel or underground bunker was collapsed there.

The IDF does not target civilians. Intent is everything.

So you want to nitpick the naming(because no refugee camps ever last for decades(see SE Asia), and justify murder with a bunker? If there's a terrorist below your house, and US bombs your home, killing your family, totally cool right, because they didn't target civilians? Collateral damage has a new best friend!

Tenpoundbass says

Unlike Christians, we call out pervy, corrupt, Marxist, and dishonest Priest and Christians all the time.

You've generalized, and therefore gotten it wrong. Catholics are Christians, and the church has mostly hidden their pedophilia. I happen to know several churches I attended as a kid hid the sins of their pastors rather than addressed them. Church politics is as ugly as it is in DC. I've mentioned a number of Jews who have called out the Israeli government on the atrocities they've committed, not just now, but for a while. Same has happened on the Arab side.

We aren't better because we're Christians, we're just forgiven.

Misc says

The Israelis do not want their children to be Martyrs. The Palestinians do. You can see that clearly in the photo with the men with the dead children. It was totally staged with the dead children as props. Know how you can tell? It is because there are no women in the photo. A picture of a grieving mother elicits feelings of sorrow, but a group of men with dead children elicits feelings of revenge, and that is what the Palestinians want to project. For them it is all optics. - Yes, they are a bunch of sick fucks.

This is really gross. You see dead kids and harden your heart, looking for an agenda instead of grieving for their loss. What kind of a person tries to rationalize killing children.

I find it disturbing how many sociopathic sympathizers seems to occupy this site. I understand you all may be angry about stolen elections, being ridiculed for being a whilte male, being attacked for family values, seeing your country going down the shitter, people giving into fear, propaganda, and giving themselves over to rage, but I hope you all take some time to carefully consider where you are headed.

This will not end well. It's happened in China, Cambodia, Germany, France, England, Spain, and here. When people give themselves over to such blinding hatred, the end result is always suffering for themselves, and those around them. Step back from the precipice, embrace love instead of hate, forgiveness instead of bitterness. And stop worshipping at the fucking church of government and nationalism.

Pride in your country is great, but not when it comes at the cost of your humanity.

Tenpoundbass says

Now is the time for the citizens not blood thirsty Terrorists, to stand up and rebuke that threat.
(Hand to Ear)(Crickets Chirping)

You mean the ones getting bombed daily, no homes, no food, no water? I think they're a little busy surviving to take time to make your speech. Good thing you made it for them, one less thing they have to worry about!

Wait, there was a bunch of them who were going to protest Hamas, unfortunately they were in that refugee camp. If only Israel had known...

NuttBoxer says

Misc says

Quaint that CNN is calling it a Refugee Camp like it is something new due to the current conflict. It has been there since 1948, is built up with houses, businesses, etc. You can see in one of the pictures that a tunnel or underground bunker was collapsed there.

The IDF does not target civilians. Intent is everything.

So you want to nitpick the naming(because no refugee camps ever last for decades(see SE Asia), and justify murder with a bunker? If there's a terrorist below your house, and US bombs your home, killing your family, totally cool right, because they didn't target civilians? Collateral damage has a new best friend!

You have it exactly right. You look at the video and say, "But...but...but the children."

I look at it and say, "Under-ground, terrorist bunkers in a heavily, urban area. Precision guided bombs took out the Terrorists with minimal civilian casualties."

Do you have any idea what the body count would be if there was un-restricted bombing to take out the terrorists????? - It would probably be over a million dead at this point.

You have it wrong. The Israelis are not the terrorists.

Hamas is, and they have about 30000 members embedded in a population of about 2.4 million people in a dense urban area.

Just a couple of observations:

For the past 5 years or so, a paraglider periodically flies over my property. It's the same type that Hamas used to attack the music festival. I'm guessing that his altitude is probably around 200 feet. He goes by VERY slow. Which leads to this question: With the Gaza surrounded by an Israeli security wall which is heavily manned by the IDF, how was it possible for these slow moving paragliders to make it past all of that security?

Next question: why did it take the IDF 6 HOURS to respond to the attacks???

Israel government removes post from their social media accusing Gaza of using crises actors. Gotta do something to distract from all the terrorism. At least 10/07 was only one day for Israeli's. Now into our third week of bombing Palestine...

https://twitter.com/mattbinder/status/1719885588566769904

Disclosure: Long ago, I gave up on the Young Turks. I am not a fan at all of Ana Kasparian. Having said that, her take on the manner in which the Israelis are waging war in Gaza is worth the watch:

Ana Kasparian | PBD Podcast | Ep. 320

Discussion of Israel & Gaza begins @ the 1:44 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKxElFQHYzs&t=21s

Israel's plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza:
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/leaked-israeli-plan-to-ethnically-cleanse-gaza
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719000849299407012

IDF snipers will shoot you if you try to flee Gaza:
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1719013143408410803

Israeli captives screaming at government to get them out before government bombs kill them all:
https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1718989371485905325

Destruction of Gaza using map and photos:
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/zjvqedgdjvx/

Some buildings in a hospital complex were hit by smart bombs, causing a significant number of casualties. Numerous camera teams, including respectable international agencies and TV networks, were soon on the scene and officials from the targeted side lamented how the aggressors had hit the hospital, protected by international laws of war.

A handful of experienced journalists tried to learn more, sneaking to the far side of the hospital despite the military ban and roadblocks. They found the attacked side’s army hastily extracting its dead and wounded soldiers and radar and missile equipment from the purportedly medical-only facility.

When discovered, the journalists were attacked not just by the soldiers, but also by local civilians who very strongly believed that the international media should only portray them as victims, not as the side misusing the status of protected sites.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/analysis-israels-ground-war-in-gaza-could-get-much-bloodier

NuttBoxer says

A real war wouldn't be fought by an advanced military against an area full of mostly children. A real war doesn't start in an area you've blockaded and refused exit to civilians for decades. A real war isn't fought against people where you control their electricity and water. The comparison is ridiculous.

That is an idealized situation which has been proven wrong by history. Warring sides try to inflict suffering on civilian population since the dawn of “civilization”.

Examples: firebombing of Dresden; bombings of Guernica; Rotterdam; Grozny; perhaps Sarajevo. And these are just a few examples that I can remember out of top of my head.

So to clarify what I'm saying, the term War is not as accurate as genocide in this instance. If they rounded up two million lets say Irish in the US, put them into prison, just because, then started shooting and bombing then 10 years later, would you call it a war?

Article claiming Human Rights Watch has refuted claim that Al-Shifa hospital was ever used by Hamas:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/hrw-refutes-israels-claims-finding-no-proof-of-hamas-using-al-shifa-hospital-for-military-purposes/3049803#

You know how I feel about articles with no citations, so I went to HRW website. While I don't see them saying this specifically, they do bring up a number of war crimes currently being committed by Israeli government:
https://www.hrw.org/the-day-in-human-rights/2023/11/13

NuttBoxer says

Article claiming Human Rights Watch has refuted claim that Al-Shifa hospital was ever used by Hamas:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/hrw-refutes-israels-claims-finding-no-proof-of-hamas-using-al-shifa-hospital-for-military-purposes/3049803#

You know how I feel about articles with no citations, so I went to HRW website. While I don't see them saying this specifically, they do bring up a number of war crimes currently being committed by Israeli government:
https://www.hrw.org/the-day-in-human-rights/2023/11/13

CGI!

Better keep that AK-47 away from the MRI machine!

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1724864209442189380

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-settlers-jerusalem-take-over-armenian-quarter-force

https://www.newarab.com/news/repression-palestinian-prisoners-unseen-1980s

https://anneboyer.substack.com/p/my-resignation

https://www.newarab.com/news/outrage-over-israels-raid-gaza-citys-al-shifa-hospital

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/14/gaza-israel-genocide-biden-legacy/

Everyone has a right to life. And those who would deny it simply based on ethnic or religious grounds are well represented throughout history. You were there when they massacred the Huguenots in France, the Catholics in England, the Christians in Rome. Your thoughts are the thoughts of the Bashir supporters before they invaded Darfur.

Realize where your hatred is taking you before everything good in your life is poisoned by it.

NuttBoxer says

Realize where your hatred is taking you before everything good in your life is poisoned by it.

You are telling that to Gazans - right?

Their genocidal hatred of Jews has gotten them nothing but absolute misery.

How fucking stupid for them to attack Israel in such a barbaric way guaranteeing a massive military response.