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The Navy has had a long range detection system in place since the cold war started. It's not that secret if there is a wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

I'm sure the system has been upgraded over the years.

Experts are saying dissimilar material is what causes failures. Like plastic portholes

20 yo women built it because woke dude hellbent on feminism and women empowerment wanted to prove a point. life proved him wrong… fatally wrong.

re: the acrylic dome port at the front.
I have a Russian dive watch Vistok Amphibia.
The crystal is slightly domed and made of acrylic.
It's designed to change shape under pressure and become more water resistant the deeper it goes.
It's a cool watch, as water resistant as a Rolex but it cost me just $75 bucks, not thousands.

clambo says

I think that Stockton Rush made errors, but it might have been inevitable.

that is like I recall reading about the Space Shuttle how NASA expected catastrophic failure every 150 flights

i guess its just accepted and managed risk just like when you get in your car and drive on the roads :-/

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My car was designed by guys with more of a clue than NASA.
The space vehicle should ride on top of the rocket, not next to it.

clambo says

The space vehicle should ride on top of the rocket, not next to it.

Remember, the space shuttle uses its own engines as well as those strap-on launch boosters, so it cannot just sit on top like an Apollo capsule.

clambo says

My theory about the failure is the connection between the carbon fiber hull and the titanium flange at each end was an epoxy which might have failed.
Epoxy is sometimes brittle and isn't as strong as thick titanium.
If I had constructed the submersible, I would have integrated the flange inside the carbon fiber hull.
Edit: I would have made the hull 10" thick.

The problem is that it was made from carbon fiber. Carbon Fibre won't deform at all really, but when it starts to deform, it shatters.

Titanium can deform, acrylic can deform..

Carbon Fiber is known for its tensile strength too, not its compression strength. I'm sort of surprised it made ONE trip.

First on NASA. It was launched the same time millions of dollars started disappearing from the government. It's a fucking front.

On the Titan, the whole story stinks like cooch of a $2 whore. The Titanic story stinks to start with, and now it's possible to investigate what at the time was thought to be beyond reach of investigation. Prominent powerful people died, lots of focus on it being ridiculously mis-managed. And I mean on a level that goes beyond farcical. Obvious timing of story creation and release to distract from the many, MANY crimes of the fake presidential family. Tie's in's with some of the biggest banking families in the world.

I have no idea what really happened, and It's going to be very hard to ever figure out with the death of the companies CEO, very convenient...

NuttBoxer says

I have no idea what really happened, and It's going to be very hard to ever figure out with the death of the companies CEO, very convenient...

I don't think this story would even be barely covered if not for the fact that our media was desperate to distract the public about something. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else.

The problem that "the powers that be" are facing, is that after our media lied for 7 years about Russia gate, and then later this pandemic there are no gatekeepers. I KNOW the media is in freefall collapse. I almost think Twitter was a final straw for a lot of people. They lied to users and creators for years and this just didn't effect Twitter, but Youtube, Google, and Facebook. When Musk took over Twitter and within a week, all the Pedophiles were finally removed, and we found out the head of Twitter's Trust and Safety was a homosexual named Yoel Roth, who write a paper arguing that CHILDREN should have access to Grindr (which is a male homosexual hook up site) - I think that was a wakeup for a lot of people.

The carefully constructed edifice of lies, misdirection, deception, manipulation - its all coming apart.

ElYorsh says

How millionaires should have fun

that sub looks like a pinched off turd

clambo says

My theory about the failure is the connection between the carbon fiber hull and the titanium flange at each end

my theory is that the gorilla glue patch didn't hold up under all that pressure

The military is catching a load of flack for not coming out and saying, “implosion occurred, everyone go home”

Can you imagine they are mistaken and these explorers suffocate at the bottom of the ocean? Of course they weren’t going to make a massive sweeping conclusion like that so early even though they suspected that was the case.

Once the sub was found with evidence of implosion, the military can then conclude they have reasonable confidence it occurred at the following time and date.

NuttBoxer says

First on NASA. It was launched the same time millions of dollars started disappearing from the government. It's a fucking front.

On the Titan, the whole story stinks like cooch of a $2 whore. The Titanic story stinks to start with, and now it's possible to investigate what at the time was thought to be beyond reach of investigation. Prominent powerful people died, lots of focus on it being ridiculously mis-managed. And I mean on a level that goes beyond farcical. Obvious timing of story creation and release to distract from the many, MANY crimes of the fake presidential family. Tie's in's with some of the biggest banking families in the world.

I have no idea what really happened, and It's going to be very hard to ever figure out with the death of the companies CEO, very convenient...

I wouldn't call these poor souls "prominent and powerful". Some of them had some money to their names, that's it.

The US Navy doesn't want the entire world to know exactly how capable it is. This is prudent under the circumstances with assholes like Xi and Putin putting submarines in the water.

richwicks says

The problem is that it was made from carbon fiber. Carbon Fibre won't deform at all really, but when it starts to deform, it shatters.

I saw a YouTube video where it was someone explaining that carbon fiber was a bad idea in the first place, then further explained how it was wound in one direction only, with no layers going across.

clambo says

The US Navy doesn't want the entire world to know exactly how capable it is. This is prudent under the circumstances with assholes like Xi and Putin putting submarines in the water.

Except that as was already pointed out, the listening tech they used is old as fuck, and not secret at all...

komputodo says

that sub looks like a pinched off turd

An decomposed like one, too.

It's a bit interesting to me as a scuba diver with a lot of experience. I have some personal rules which mean I will likely survive an unexpected equipment problem (this has happened to me).

When scuba diving, you can dive within "no decompression (time) limits". This means if you surface within the time, you will not need to stop on the way up and "decompress" (actually degas N2) for any period of time.

I dive within no decompression limits because no matter what happens to me, I can safely head up to the surface and skip the decompression. If you needed to decompress (degas) and did not stop because of an emergency, you could get the "bends" decompression sickness, and could die or have a stroke, etc.

I dive to a maximum of about 85 feet or so; I can swim up holding my breath from that depth probably. I free dove once to 60 feet which is a 120 foot round trip.

I can ditch my weights from a weight belt quickly; they're not in pockets on my buoyancy vest.

I was offered to go diving in the caves and springs in Florida; I won't dive anywhere where I cannot swim up to be at the surface.

I will not swim into a shipwreck hatch or go deep inside a wreck; on the few wrecks I have dove, we swam around a place with a large opening on one side, large windows all around, etc. We would not get lost or stuck inside there.

I once dove under a frozen lake in a hole in the ice with a commercial diving type facemask helmet; I could not have removed this myself if I wanted to.
I will never dive again with such equipment. Fortunately, under the ice I was connected to the surface with hoses and ropes, I would never get lost.

I was thinking about the submersible and the contrast is pretty big; what if something went wrong, could the submersible even ditch its weights and float up to the surface?

clambo says

scuba diver with a lot of experience.

I got my PADI cert when I was in the Azores in the 1990s. I did not get a chance to see shipwrecks, though. I take my hat off to you for that 60-foot free dive. I could do a free ascent (slow exhale) from that depth, but my ears could not take starting at the surface and sinking 60 feet without tanks.

NuttBoxer says

Except that as was already pointed out, the listening tech they used is old as fuck, and not secret at all...

We don't know what the tech was other than the Navy heard an implosion.

We don't know the capabilities of a Virginia class sub or whatever they had deployed in that area like sonar buoys, an undersea microphone field, autonomous submersibles, etc.

So we don't know what the capabilities are, as all of that is likely classified.

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Not supposed to hold your breath while swimming up! Or any time under water really. Must always blow bubbles.

It amazes me how many people on this forum do zero research and just spout opinion. Only time you'll ever see me quote NPR, but it's that fucking mainstream...

"The listening system the Navy used to register the noise is believed to be the Sound Surveillance System or SOSUS, according to information shared with NPR by a senior Navy official. SOSUS, an underwater cable system that has been in place for decades, is capable of detecting underwater anomalies that might indicate the presence of foreign submarines."

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy

And if you want MORE information on this highly secret tech opinion can't identify:
https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/sosus.htm

NuttBoxer says

It amazes me how many people on this forum do zero research and just spout opinion. Only time you'll ever see me quote NPR, but it's that fucking mainstream...

"The listening system the Navy used to register the noise is believed to be the Sound Surveillance System or SOSUS, according to information shared with NPR by a senior Navy official. SOSUS, an underwater cable system that has been in place for decades, is capable of detecting underwater anomalies that might indicate the presence of foreign submarines."

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy

And if you want MORE information on this highly secret tech opinion can't identify:
https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/sosus.htm

Except you don't really know they used that old crusty SOSUS and not something new and secret. THEY want you to believe it was SOSUS, but was it really? =))

Tenpoundbass says

What I thought stunk about the whole story. .
1) there's a support vehicle on top of the water..
2) The sub is tethered to the support Ship
3)We never heard one single word from or about the support ship.
4)I thought that at anytime in danger, the support ship could have reeled it back in.

Or to say the least it's sonar depth finder should have had an idea where it was or where it went.

I suspect the submersible went from everything being fine to completely obliterated in a fraction of a second. When carbon fiber fails it basically shatters. You're not going to have a period of seconds or minutes where water is flooding in. I would think the surface boat would have immediately know that the thing was gone.

NuttBoxer says

It amazes me how many people on this forum do zero research and just spout opinion. Only time you'll ever see me quote NPR, but it's that fucking mainstream...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy

And if you want MORE information on this highly secret tech opinion can't identify:
https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/sosus.htm

I trust you're being sarcastic, because if it was "highly secret", we would have never heard ANYTHING from the Navy, much less have it reported on "the news".

https://babylonbee.com/news/oceangate-offers-20-off-coupon-for-next-tour

richwicks says

I trust you're being sarcastic, because if it was "highly secret", we would have never heard ANYTHING from the Navy, much less have it reported on "the news".

I didn't say anything about it being highly secret. That's inference, and has no support from what I know. No sarcasm, this is the simplest and most likely explanation.

SunnyvaleCA says

I suspect the submersible went from everything being fine to completely obliterated in a fraction of a second.

I would suspect there was some creaking and weird noises. But I imagine that after a couple dives behind them and nothing serious coming out of the creaking, banging and popping noises. They probably learned to ignore them.

RWSGFY,
If I have to make a free ascent because of equipment failure, I won't be breathing so I will be holding my breath even if I expel air on the way up.

Oceangate Titan: analysis of an insultingly predictable failure (video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaOVYkWgpcM

Carbon fiber, which has never been used in deep sea exploration vehicles, is joined with Titanium, which is held together by a 2" wide bead of glue, and nothing else. What could possibly go wrong?