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“It’s my belief that the efforts of unionization in America are in many ways a manifestation of a much bigger problem,”

Same as it was in the 19th and 20th centuries - the workers want a living wage. THE CEO's claiming the cause of unionization is " loneliness, the anxiety, the fracturing trust in government, the fracturing trust in companies, fracturing trust in family" is just his excuse. The issue is the workers see low pay for themselves and see the CEO is a billionaire.

HeadSet says

The issue is the workers see low pay for themselves and see the CEO is a billionaire.

Yeah, the CEO of Starbucks in shamelessly gaslighting and distracting.

Also a major reason for unionization at Starbucks and other retail businesses like Amazon is that the workers want a steady schedule and at least 32 hours per week.

Wealth/income inequality, if it gets bad enough, can cause BIG problems.

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Also a major reason for unionization at Starbucks and other retail businesses like Amazon is that the workers want a steady schedule and at least 32 hours per week.

They can get better jobs. Starbucks and investors lose boat loads of money if they unionize. It's an entry level job. You're not meant to live off of it. Get the job and pay for college or trade school and make something of yourself. Stop blaming the business owner. Hell, start your own business. Take the risk yourself. Stop blaming other people.

@Patrick's famous productivity vs. compensation since the 1970s chart belies that.

Retail jobs used to be jobs you could live on. Warehouse workers used to be able to buy a modest house with a SAHM or PT Mom.

"How come nobody knows shit at Big Box Store?"

Because they don't get paid a nice commission on top of a modest wage. Pay them a commission, and they'll be experts.

We lost millions of Manufacturing Jobs, which used to compete with Retail, Warehouse, etc. for labor. Add a massive influx of immigrants, legal and illegal, and employers are spoiled lazy vs. 1965 or 1975 or even 1985.

AmericanKulak says

We lost millions of Manufacturing Jobs, which used to compete with Retail, Warehouse, etc. for labor. Add a massive influx of immigrants, legal and illegal, and employers are spoiled lazy vs. 1965 or 1975 or even 1985.

While that's true, unionizing and complaining ain't gonna fix your lot if life if you're that person. Learn a skill. We're about to pay a bunch of people good money on our house build. It's not hard at all to become a plumber. Welder. Electrician. You WILL make $100k by year 5 and if you have any business acumen you could be pulling in $300-400k a year easy.

Women can not be fat and gross and make $60k applying for any job with no skills. The jobs are there. If you go to college and aren't in a STEM field you're fucked. Or you go after the teaching job or whatever gets you a pension and you live the most miserable middle class life out there.

WookieMan says

While that's true, unionizing and complaining ain't gonna fix your lot if life if you're that person

From the 40s into the 80s, two generations, say otherwise.

If we had manufacturing competing for lower skill retail and service jobs, that would be different.

The one problem we definitely don't have right now, and haven't for decades, is the investor class getting an ROI.

While the trades were neglected for a while and now we see with the boomers retiring a shortfall of skilled hands, in the long term without manufacturing there can be no American Dream. Imagine if the population stayed flat for a generation or two. With manufacturing we could boom, without it, a lot less - including for the trades (less new building)

Just wait until there are 100,000,000 top notch software workers and pay drops to minimum wage. And why are mortgage brokers paid so well when a computer could easily do their job? That is a head scratcher.

I feel sorry for guys today.
Manufacturing jobs were sent overseas.
Foreigners (including illegals) were hired for all kinds of jobs; this either drove down wages or excluded them from the job.
Every industry hires foreigners with the exception of lawyers; interesting how that class of workers is staying immune.
When I was young I found foreigners interesting to meet.
Now not so much.

GNL says

100,000,000 top notch software workers and pay drops to minimum wage

you mean overseas like in India ? I know India has a large percentage of engineering and computer science graduates

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GNL says

100,000,000 top notch software workers and pay drops to minimum wage

you mean overseas like in India ? I know India has a large percentage of engineering and computer science graduates

I run an online business. I use 2 overseas programmers. Seems dicey to do that but, I've had good success. You just have to be fair and honest. Do. Not. Play. Any. Games. Do what you say you will.

I met a lady who's job is to oversee overseas programmers for an entrepreneur who has 5 businesses that rely HEAVILY on overseas programmers. It is being done big time.

I know of 1 guy who moved back to India and started a company purely to service IT needs here in the US.

GNL says

I met a lady who's job is to oversee overseas programmers

I didn't think I'd see those two words together in my life. It makes sense. Made me laugh though.