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Amazing New Discoveries About The Milky Way


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2023 Feb 15, 9:43am   15,473 views  166 comments

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The Milky Way is no run-of-the-mill galaxy, according to a new study.

A team of astronomers recently discovered that our spiral-shaped home galaxy is actually too big for its surroundings, Science Alert reported.

The Milky Way is located in a “neighborhood” called the Local Sheet, which is a flat arrangement of galaxies that share similar velocities and are surrounded by empty space called voids.

The team explained that the Local Sheet serves as an example of a cosmological wall and separates the Local Void from the Southern Void. The relationship between the galaxies in the Local Sheet has a strong influence on their behavior, such as their similar velocities relative to the expansion of the Universe.

But the Milky Way appears to be an exception.

In their paper, researchers conducted an analysis using simulations from a project called IllustrisTNG, which models the physical Universe.

They found that, being a billion light years across and containing millions of galaxies, very few galaxies located within a cosmological wall structure are as big as the Milky Way.

The study underscores the importance of considering the local environment when studying our home galaxy, rather than assuming that it is in an average spot in the universe.

The environmental context could also help explain some previously unexplained phenomena, such as the odd arrangement of satellite galaxies around Andromeda and the peculiar lack of them around the Milky Way.

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88   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 7, 9:43pm  

Dating methods are imprecise. Science is based on observations. The only reliable data would be from an eye witness. Everything else is a best guess when it comes to dating, and even then there are many assumptions built in (because there are not eyewitness of every detail that could impact the assumptions made about conditions over many years).

If there were no rainbows before the flood, and therefore no rain, and if humans lived hundreds of years during the antediluvian period, it stands to reason that our planet and species has undergone dramatic changes that are not elaborated on in history or science books.

When these details are ignored, incorrect assumptions are made and dating estimates become even more flawed.

But I do give the scientists you mentioned credit, their estimates are a lot more reasonable than others I heard. And at the very least the dating methods do give us good ideas of relative age even if their actual age estimates are inaccurate.

As far as the ice age I’ve heard two possiblity. One possibility is that during the flood catastrophe ice fell from the sky in the northern regions (which would explain the multiple wooly mammoths found frozen in ice standing up with vegetation in their stomachs that is NOT from tundra regions that the mammoths were found in (in other words they were flash frozen and the climate in that region instantly changed going from temperate to tundra after the flood/melt). Another possibility would be that after the flood the ice age occurred. We know at one time there was a land bridge between Asia and North America for example and after the tower of Babel God may have changed the climate to force the different tribes to keep moving, Catastrophic snow storms could have buried those mammoths too (snow storms the likes of which we have never seen. In the Bible in one of the genealogy reviews tells of a time during Peleg’s life in which the earth was divided which seems to be a reference to the changes that occurred after God broke up the Tower of Babel venture.
90   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 10:15am  

PeopleUnited says

Dating methods are imprecise. Science is based on observations. The only reliable data would be from an eye witness


No, what you said is incorrect.

We don't have 1 or 2 dating methods, we have dozens and they overlap.

https://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
91   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 8, 1:31pm  

Don’t put word in my mouth. You must have misread or misunderstood what I wrote. Of course there are several dating methods. They are all imprecise and based on multiple assumptions.

This is what I said. And it is an accurate description of fact.

richwicks says


Science is based on observations. The only reliable data would be from an eye witness.


This is why dating models are wrong, just like climate models. They are trying to explain something that has too many variables to accurately account for, leading to terribly flawed predictions.
92   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Jul 8, 2:19pm  

Amazing Discoveries in Uranus.



93   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 2:20pm  

PeopleUnited says


Don’t put words in my mouth. Of course there are several dating methods. They are all imprecise and based on multiple assumptions.


I'm not trying to strawman you. I gave you that link because it's written by a very religious Christian physicist that has a minor in geology.

I do not what to attack your religion - what I'm telling you is we're very certain the world is at least a billion years old, that radiation is a constant in breakdown of molecules - we have very good knowledge about limited things, but our dating methods aren't "imprecise" and they don't make any assumptions other than the world didn't radically change in the last few thousand years. That's the one assumption you make, but if nuclear breakdown is slowing down, we would have seen it in the last 60 years since we've had atomic clocks for that long.

Read that article I sent you, and you will see what precision we've got. I never understood how the age of rocks was measured until I read it. Basically, lava will release gases when it's in a liquid state, when it solidifies, it has SOME amount of radioactive materials in it, and as it breaks down it produces gasses, which are trapped in solid rock. The age of the rock is determined by how much gas is released when it's melted again, from a known isotope.

We are just in different places. You might wonder (or are convinced you know) what consciousness is, and how the universe works, I however wonder how an atom can even come into existence. It appears that the "Big Bang" is incorrect, and we find more and more evidence this is wrong continually. It's amazing not only that I can write this, but atoms exist all to me. How does MATTER even exist? I believe that the Universe, or some form of it, must be eternal. It's not a rare thought to believe the Universe itself, is God. Is it sentient? I don't know. And then there's the argument about "what is God?" If the definition is that which created us, yeah, certainly it's God.

Science itself is the undertaking to understand God and it may be an impossible task, and probably is. We as a species may become incredibly powerful over time, but we will NEVER be Gods. I'm staring into the abyss. Done that a lot with a lot of things.
94   pudil   2023 Jul 8, 6:09pm  

I don’t understand why people want to defend literal interpretations of the most ancient prehistoric biblical stories.

The Bible is great. It’s a story of extremely flawed people who all probably deserve to be killed in a flood. Yet God loves them so much that after spending thousands of years trying to save them, sends his only Son to show us how to be better and to even die for us.

The fact that Adam and Eve or Noah might not have ever literally existed takes nothing away from the main point of the Bible which is that humans are incredibly flawed, and yet God still loves us.

To make arguments that human reason can’t possibly disprove certain stories in the Bible, just purely out of defense, insults humans and insults the God who created us.
95   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 7:20pm  

Rubicon says


Great paper this guy wrote there. Thanks for sharing. Did you just randomly find this by searching the web?


I used to be an incredibly rabid atheist so I found that to demolish the claims of Creationists. There was a point I saw religion as an incredible evil.

I found blind faith incredibly dangerous, and I still do, but it's everywhere. How many people die because of our wars? It's all the same. There's just a lot of people that need blind faith in one form or another. I came to realize that 10 years ago

It's depressing.

Evil seems to be a real force to deal with.
96   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 8, 7:36pm  

richwicks says

we're very certain the world is at least a billion years old

No, you are very certain. And many people including the only person the matters, Jesus Christ are certain that in the end times many will scoff at the Biblical truth. Your denial of universally known truths of the creation is Bible prophecy fulfilled.
97   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 7:49pm  

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says


we're very certain the world is at least a billion years old

No, you are very certain. And many people including the only person the matters, Jesus Christ are certain that in the end times many will scoff at the Biblical truth. Your denial of universally known truths of the creation is Bible prophecy fulfilled.


I would have fought you tooth and nail just 15 years ago. This isn't like climate change, which IS a lie. The climate change model is wrong, it's been proven wrong over and over again, it can't make predictions, it doesn't work. I used to wonder how people could work in "climate change", they don't, it's all politics. Who is the "most famous climate scientist"? Name ONE.

The Bible craps on me like Democrats do, or Neocons do. I'll believe anything, IF I can understand it. Evolution is pretty easy to understand, so is radiometric dating, but "climate change", suddenly it's "super complex and you can only run it on this massive machine that costs billions of dollars, and the source data is secret and deleted, and it's not available".

When I was 30 I had a lousy bullshit detector. I have great one now. Every war we've been is bullshit, this pandemic is bullshit,

Something that hardens my viewpoint of Christianity is BECAUSE people insist there was a literal Adam and Eve, and there WAS a Job, and there WAS a King David, and there WAS a Biblical Flood. No. Way. These are just stories.
98   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 8, 7:58pm  

richwicks says

I found blind faith incredibly dangerous

Me too, which is why the evidence is essential. Only in the past couple hundred years have humans been foolish enough to believe stories invented by people who have decided to reject God and create a mythology of billions of years. As if a scientist can reconstruct history without any actual eye witness or written record. Secular Scholars generally agree that the earliest forms of writing were 5,500 years ago. Which is not far off from the time of the world wide flood.

So these people who reject God, think that the observation period of humans, ~6,000 years (the time humans have been here to observe and record events, conditions, changes, etc...

6,000÷440,000,000,000=0.0000000136363636364

So with all of written/observed history, being 0.0000000136363636364% of what they claim to be earth history. It’s blind faith to believe those charlatans who don’t even practice science. They might as well say aliens created the earth because they have about the same amount of evidence of that as they do of an earth that predates human observation.
99   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 8:04pm  

PeopleUnited says

Secular Scholars generally agree that the earliest forms of writing were 5,500 years ago. Which is not far off from the time of the world wide flood.


Göbekli Tepe messes up a lot of what we think we know.

PeopleUnited says

So with all of written/observed history, being 0.0000000136363636364% of what they claim to be earth history. It’s blind faith to believe those charlatans who don’t even practice science. They might as well say aliens created the earth because they have about the same amount of evidence of that as they do of an earth that predates human observation.


I just don't want to argue but it's not just the Earth, it's the Universe - it's fucking big. I mean unimaginably big, literally unimaginable.
100   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 8, 8:06pm  

richwicks says

Something that hardens my viewpoint of Christianity is BECAUSE people insist there was a literal Adam and Eve, and there WAS a Job, and there WAS a King David, and there WAS a Biblical Flood. No. Way. These are just stories.

You want them to be stories, because you don’t want to believe ANY of the Bible. But if any of the Bible is untrue, then God is a liar. Fortunately He cannot lie. That’s good news because it means John 3:16 is true.

2 Peter Chapter 3
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
101   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 8:49pm  

PeopleUnited says

You want them to be stories, because you don’t want to believe ANY of the Bible. But if any of the Bible is untrue, then God is a liar. Fortunately He cannot lie.


The Bible isn't proof of the Bible.

The Bible is NOT the world of God.

God doesn't lie, but man often does.

I cannot be indoctrinated into the Bible again. I was falling out of it as a kid, as I started to see contradictions to it. I'm very resistant to propaganda, I'm extremely strong willing in my thinking. This is why I had no problem calling our "pandemic" a fraud, or saying that Ukraine was overthrown and it's almost unimaginable that Ukraine will win, it's why I can freely talk about Libya being a disaster, or that we were lied into Iraq.

I can't think of a time I was last fooled by US propaganda. Oh, actually I can, I believed in the global warming bullshit until 2005, I just couldn't believe they would destroy their credibility, but they did - and people STILL believe. The last time I fell for propaganda was Operation Desert Storm.

I view the Bible in EXACTLY the same way and I can't change that.
102   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 8, 9:07pm  

richwicks says


God doesn't lie, but man often does.

Yep like when they claim the earth/universe is billions of years old.
They lie, a lot.

So that is the propaganda you still believe.
103   richwicks   2023 Jul 8, 10:25pm  

PeopleUnited says


richwicks says


God doesn't lie, but man often does.

Yep like when they claim the earth/universe is billions of years old.
They lie, a lot.

So that is the propaganda you still believe.



No, I understand it. I understand how it's calculated.

I understand the speed of light, I know it's true because I've had to deal with it in engineering with Doppler shifts. Civil engineers need to deal with the curvature of the Earth in large projects, like roads.

Climate "science" I never understood, I just didn't believe they could possibly be lying, and they were.

If I spent the time to talk to you, explain my position, and turn you into an atheist or at least a non believer in Christianity, how would this profit you or me? 15 years ago, I would have legitimately seen you as an unthinking dangerous threat - well, there's way worse than you. There are atheists today, that simply atheists, because they DECIDED to become an atheist. That's not me. I was dragged to it as an inescapable conclusion, HOWEVER, I exist. That's very strange. It's VERY strange ANYTHING exists.

So I'm not numb to the idea there's some sort of god, but we have different ideas of what that would mean. Something created all this shit, but I have no confidence it's intelligent, I don't know if it's eternal, but it's very weird, but the Christian mythology, it's identical to me as any other religion.

There's this idea in the Dharmic religions that everything that lives is a part of god, and when it dies, it returns to that body of god. This means that all the pain and conflict and kindness and love we'll all experience we all literally experience. You'll be stuck being me, I'll be stuck being you and time isn't linear at all and there's no freewill at all. I'll have to be Joe Biden, MLK, Jeffrey Dhamer, everything. In the Dharmic religions often the idea of Nirvana is non existence, that existence is just pain.

You look for eternal life, I wouldn't want that. Seriously, I don't fear oblivion, but existence forever? That's true hell. There's a reason they call it eternal rest.
104   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 12:27am  

Rubicon says

“ Göbekli Tepe messes up a lot of what we think we know.”

This!
That site broke history.


Well, if we're not being fed bullshit about it. Perhaps the site is only 3,000 years old and carbon dating at the site was falsified. Who knows?

If I've learned anything in the last 30 years, it's been about scientific fraud.

But it does make a mystery. I think it's quite possible that we aren't the first advanced civilization on the planet, but I have no guesses as to what sort of advanced civilization existed before us. I know recent history has been falsified, particularly about WWII and the US Civil War. I don't know why, but there is certainly a concerted effort to feed us shit and keep us in the dark. It's bizarre how much effort there is to keep the population ignorant.
105   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 2:24am  

Rubicon says

Christians that don’t take the Bible literally

That is any oxymoron. Christian means Christ follower or Christ like. Here is just some of what Jesus taught about the power and accuracy of the Word: “In light of Jesus’ teaching, there’s no question he considered the entire Old Testament to be the inerrant, written Word of God. He said he came to fulfill the entire Jewish Old Testament (Matt. 5:17), which he referred to as “the Law and the Prophets” (Matt. 5:17; Luke 24:26–27). And he told the Jews, “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life” (John 5:39–40).”
106   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 2:36am  

They are creating a one world religion, gathering together Islam, “Christianity “, Judaism and even Buddhism and mixing in modern mythology. https://www.cnn.com/style/article/uae-abrahamic-family-house-david-adjaye-intl/index.html Many people will be joining this movement led by the Pope. But make no mistake, if you don’t know that the Word of God is pure, true and more powerful than can be imagined, then you have missed the meaning. God help anyone who can claim Christianity as a label but deny the Christ that founded it.

Here is the Chrislam red crescent cross put out by the Vatican. They are preparing the world for the one world religion under the new world order.
107   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 3:24am  

richwicks says


You look for eternal life, I wouldn't want that. Seriously, I don't fear oblivion, but existence forever? That's true hell. There's a reason they call it eternal rest.

This is why the lake of fire is actually created. It would be more uncomfortable for someone who doesn’t believe God to have to live with Him for eternity, than it will be for them to be eternally separate from God. But if you shudder at the thought of eternity, it is only because you don’t understand that you already have an eternal soul. Eternal rest is a myth. You were put on this earth, at this time (a blip on the eternal realm/plane) for one reason, the pleasure of God. Because we are all sinners after our ancestor Adam’s fall, it pleases him to save those who will be saved giving them a new body uncorrupted by sin at the soon resurrection of the dead, and it is His righteous duty to judge those who reject His plan of forgiveness. He wrote the law and He must enforce it. Everyone in the lake of fire created for the devil and his angels will know that is where they belong, and if they could they would warn everyone they care about to avoid that fate. That is what Jesus taught.

But I tend to agree that people who reject God would be better off in the lake of fire than living eternity in the presence of the one they rejected. Rejecting God (which is what you do when you ignore Gods word) is a self inflicted punishment.

Some have speculated that God made the perfect number of angels, and when a third of them joined Satan in rebellion against God, He created man to replace the fallen ones giving Him a way to repopulate Heaven with those who freely choose to serve Him. But that is speculation since the numbers of angels and truely Godborn believers is not known in this temporal plane. But we do know it is a lot!
108   Onvacation   2023 Jul 9, 5:09am  

richwicks says

Who is the "most famous climate scientist"? Name ONE

Michael Mann, the hockey stick dude


We should get wet bulbed any day now.
109   Onvacation   2023 Jul 9, 5:13am  

PeopleUnited says

if any of the Bible is untrue, then God is a liar

The Bible was written and rewritten by man.

It is what it is.
110   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 8:31am  

Rubicon says

Fear is the number one tool to control and manipulate people.

Will you take the mark of the beast when the Antichrist forces everyone to take it or lose their head by guillotine?
111   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 8:38am  

Onvacation says

The Bible was written and rewritten by man.

The men who wrote the scriptures were like the guys on the assembly line following Fords blueprint. The Word of God is His blueprint.
112   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 9:37am  

Rubicon says

Richwicks,
Have you ever looked into the theory that the Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids and that the pyramids are much older than what mainstream historians believe? And that the purpose of pyramids was to generate energy? The concept aligns with Tesla’s research.
It’s fascinating and makes a lot more sense than Egyptians building pyramids.


It's been long speculated the pyramids are far older than what we are told, I heard this 40 years ago, and the Spinx certainly looks like it was being washed by water for a period of time.

I'm very doubtful it was some sort of energy generator - although I've heard that as well but I can't see how it could possibly generate energy or what form that would be.
113   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 9:40am  

Rubicon says

You probably know more about G T than I do.


Probably I don't actually. I know about it, I know it flips human history on its head and that's about it. Supposedly other similar sites have been found.

What's WEIRD is we're still finding abandoned cities in south America.

Another thing that is strange is there's S. American pyramids. I think it strongly indicates a world wide culture. There's also maps that recorded the existence of Antarctica. I don't think we have a complete understanding of our history.
114   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 9:43am  

PeopleUnited says

This is why the lake of fire is actually created. It would be more uncomfortable for someone who doesn’t believe God to have to live with Him for eternity


And there's always this threat in Christianity and I find it beyond annoying, it's almost abusive to teach a child that Hell exists, and you will be eternally tortured for your lack of absolute subservience.

There was a religious sect that believed that there was the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament, and the Old Testament god was evil. There's compelling reasons to think this. There were one of the first victims of the Inquisition.

I cannot believe that literal creator of the Universe is so petty, so cruel, as to torture ANYTHING for ever. If I believed there was a God like that, I would oppose it.
115   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 10:10am  

Rubicon says

I think the main reason is we are so occupied with making money and consuming. There is no mainstream push to explore our history and mainstream historians have no interest in being proven wrong and having to re-write history books. Plus imagine Tesla was right and there is a way to produce clean energy for the masses. The people in power would never allow it. Or energy companies would just buy you out and destroy that knowledge.


The amount of energy we consume can be drastically reduced and has been. Do you have any idea how crazy it is that I can run a cell phone off from a USB port on my computer? It's a 2 way radio. Just 20 years ago, a standard television was so inefficient, it heated the room. Cars are stupidly inefficient, and could made FAR more efficient, but it requires higher tech to make them safe - basically an accident at 70 MPH is death in one of those, but you could get 150 MPG.
116   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 12:04pm  

Rubicon says


PeopleUnited says


Rubicon says


Fear is the number one tool to control and manipulate people.

Will you take the mark of the beast when the Antichrist forces everyone to take it or lose their head by guillotine?


The only way to lose your head is being involved with religious brainwashing/manipulation and fear mongering.



Sounds like you are afraid. Afraid of taking God at His word. It is a very likely possibility that those alive today, who are not part of the catching away rescue similar to the Noah’s ark rescue, will live to see the Antichrist and know what real fear is.
117   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 12:06pm  

richwicks says

er. If I believed there was a God like that, I would oppose it.

You do.
118   Tenpoundbass   2023 Jul 9, 12:29pm  

pudil says

The fact that Adam and Eve or Noah might not have ever literally existed takes nothing away from the main point of the Bible which is that humans are incredibly flawed, and yet God still loves us.

To make arguments that human reason can’t possibly disprove certain stories in the Bible, just purely out of defense, insults humans and insults the God who created us.
119   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 12:32pm  

If God loves us (He does) He would not tell untrue stories.
120   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 2:09pm  

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says


er. If I believed there was a God like that, I would oppose it.

You do.


Why are you so convinced your "god" is worth respecting at all? How do you know, for example, that Satan didn't compose the Bible, and THAT explains all the bloodshed and wars over religion?

You just assert it's true, you're convinced through FAITH, which for you is a virtue, for me, suspicion is a virtue. If people were more suspicious, there would be less war, there would be less criminals, there would be less evil. Because people blindly trust, we go to wars in Iraq over weapons of mass destruction and return slavery to Libya to prevent a humanitarian crisis.

You are convinced that ever other religion in the world is false, except for your religion, which you were luckily born into, and raised in.

What I would argue is that you weren't born into the right religion in all probability but you fell victim to the Asch Conformity Test where your logic and reasoning have been over-ridden by majority group opinion which you have confirmed to - you haven't agreed to it. I am never victim to the Asch Conformity Test. The most I can be pushed is to say "I don't understand why you think this", I cannot be bullied into accepting somebody else's statements as true, simple because it's socially easier to do that.

That's why, for example, I'm in a tiny minority pointing out that Ukraine's conflict began basically with the US overthrow of Ukraine, not because "Putin invaded Ukraine for NO REASON AT ALL" - which is the majority opinion, formed around propaganda.
121   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 2:11pm  

PeopleUnited says


If God loves us (He does) He would not tell untrue stories.


Explain the Qu'ron then. Explain Roman and Greek mythology? Explain Hinduism, Shintoism, Jainism? Aren't those untrue stories? Who is telling those stories? What makes you certain the Bible is an exception?

PeopleUnited - I really hate doing this at this point. The resolution of our discussion will be either you will see my point of view or I will dismiss your point of view as irrational. I have done this hundreds of times with people. I did not become an atheist just because it was the cool hip thing to do, I was forced into it. I have spent considerable time thinking about it. When I argue this about ANY religion, it comes down to how do you know your religion is correct, and the answers are "I have faith" or "It helps me" or "It makes me a better person" - any or all of those can be true but that doesn't mean the religion is.
122   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 2:14pm  

Rubicon says


Totally agree. It gets old and it’s pretty disgusting. I feel for people who are in these religious cults and can’t find a way out.


What a nightmare it would be to believe all this stuff. That we exist forever, that our creator is a petty jealous vindictive creature that will punish and torture us for eternity if we don't dot the i's and cross the t's. The Bible is totally unclear on what is expected of people from this entity. All in parables, Jesus was supposed to love the poor and only showed violence once with the banking system of the day.

I don't see any Christians like that, well, very rarely and I don't know any personally, and I don't trust the ones who are just "well known".
123   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 3:07pm  

Rubicon says


He Hasn’t come yet.

When the devil has you doubting God’s word he has already won. We are on the cusp of the new world order great tribulation. I’m not afraid because I won’t be here. But during the great tribulation everyone will be faced with a choice to accept the mark of the beast or be killed. That’s not fear mongering, it is a warning for those left behind.
124   richwicks   2023 Jul 9, 3:14pm  

PeopleUnited says

But during the great tribulation everyone will be faced with a choice to accept the mark of the beast or be killed. That’s not fear mongering, it is a warning for those left behind.


Haha, I'd die first and I still wouldn't become a Christian.

This is a problem with the Christian mythology, it allows the "popular interpretations" of Revelations to implement control. Social Security was the mark of the beast, then credit cards were, then UPC symbol codes. I'm not going to have an RFID chip injected into me. Honestly, I'll probably never take a vaccine again, since they are pushing to move entirely to mRNA, and I know that doesn't work.
125   PeopleUnited   2023 Jul 9, 3:40pm  

richwicks says


How do you know, for example, that Satan didn't compose the Bible, and THAT explains all the bloodshed and wars over religion?

When you are born again scripture takes on new meaning. The Holy Spirit both confirms and reveals the power and meaning of the words. Basically when the Spirit of God lives in you (as He indwells every born again Christian since Pentecost) and you are listening to the Spirit, it is the ultimate BS meter.richwicks says



You are convinced that ever other religion in the world is false, except for your religion, which you were luckily born into, and raised in.


Actually no, I grew up in a counterfeit Christianity just like you. I no longer have fellowship with the people of the church in which I was saved (they had cultish characteristics elevating the minister above the Holy Spirit and I left) and my family also disagrees with my theology which is quite different from their upbringing. But the word of God found its way into my heart anyway, and it has made all the difference. Every religion including “Christian” religion is wrong, if it puts salvation in doing works, keeping laws, being faithful or making sacrifices. Salvation comes from hearing the word of God. It’s that simple, you hear it, acknowledge your need and that God can provide it, and accept it (turning away from your previous path or whatever it was that you put between yourself and God and turn towards the Lord).

richwicks says


I'm in a tiny minority pointing out that Ukraine's conflict began basically with the US overthrow of Ukraine, not because


I also know that the west globalists started this war (not just the US).

I’m in a tiny minority who does not go to church, does not give donations, does not recite creeds but does know for certain that if I were to die today or in 20 years God has care of my soul and eternal destiny. That is true freedom. That’s why they call it Liberty in Christ.

richwicks says


What makes you certain the Bible is an exception?

When the Spirit of God lives in you counterfeits are obvious. It’s a Spiritual thing. When Adam sinned he immediately died spiritually, but when we accept the gift of God in Jesus we are born again immediately with the Spirit. If you have never experienced this, it is beyond your comprehension. Christianity is a spiritual thing, not just intellectual. And even a child can be born again, when they are mature enough to understand the gospel (good news). It seems irrational because you are missing the Spirit of God. There is a God shaped hole in your heart that the Spirit of God can fill. Really. He. Can.
126   pudil   2023 Jul 9, 4:10pm  

Onvacation says

PeopleUnited says


if any of the Bible is untrue, then God is a liar

The Bible was written and rewritten by man.

It is what it is.


So when Jesus told parables then he was a liar? The story of the prodigal son doesn’t lose any meaning just because he never existed. The point is the lesson. Just because the people who handed down the most ancient stories of the Bible verbally for thousands of years didn’t include that Adam and Eve or Noah were parables in some bonus commentary doesn’t make them liars.
127   pudil   2023 Jul 9, 4:30pm  

richwicks says


When I argue this about ANY religion, it comes down to how do you know your religion is correct, and the answers are "I have faith" or "It helps me" or "It makes me a better person" - any or all of those can be true but that doesn't mean the religion is.



I disagree. With Christianity you can actually read the New Testament which tells the story about the life and death of Jesus. His life is about the best documented historical event that has ever happened, so you should believe it if you believe anything historical. Then you can compare his life to what was predicted in the Old Testament and see that it was the fulfillment of 4000 years of prophecy.

All the other religions I’ve looked at are either made up stories about things that never existed (Rama, Zeus, etc). Or they are just spin-offs of Christianity (Islam, Mormans), which just go to show the strength of the foundation of the religion.

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