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Today is the day! Sell stocks, invest bonds!


               
2022 Nov 11, 8:30am   11,551 views  83 comments

by Shaman   follow (4)  

The market had a nice bump (exactly as I predicted) https://patrick.net/post/1347675/2022-10-05-the-stock-market-is-wrong-the-economy?start=1#comment-1891329 post election, indeed rising over the couple of weeks before the election. We have reached another peak, and the optimism will dribble out of the market quickly. I firmly expect drops in stock value to be the rule going forward for a few months. First it will be tax loss realization, as investors take losses they can write off on taxes for this year. That will depress stock prices, which will mean they will hold off on buying more for a while. This will become a self-perpetuating trend as more bad economic news rolls in. I expect heavy stock value losses in the early parts or next year. Perhaps even all year long as we saw in 2008.

I reinvested my investments in bonds yesterday, and switched my kids’ 529 college savings plan investments to bonds today. So I’m putting my own money on this bet, and I’m going all in.

BEAR MARKET alert!

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72   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2024 Jul 28, 9:59am  

Eman says

richwicks says


Eman says



DD214 says






As much as some don’t like to admit, this is partially true.




I guess Sam Bankman Fried, Bernie Madoff, Ghislane Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Jeff Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, etc are just really good people doing quite well. It's not like they are just criminals or something...


That was why I said it’s partially true as there will always be some exceptions. However, it’s generally true in most cases. 😂


I think real report card comes from god and soul, perhaps the world we leave behind in some ways, and footsteps we followed. i’ve seen poor and people with no opportunity in life never making it, and i’ve seen people who succeeded financially despite hardships. it’s all over the place. I’m sure you’ve seen it all too. at the end we are just dust in the wind.
73   AD   2024 Aug 28, 11:48pm  

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As far as bonds, stocks and economy, notice everytime the 10 Yr minus 2 Yr is no more than Zero, within a year there is a recession.

Look at the 2024 values, and if this trend or pattern is true, then expect a recession within 6 to 9 months.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y2Y

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74   AD   2025 Dec 5, 9:41pm  




Vanguard Total Bond Market ETF (ticker: BND)

annual return
2025: 7% year to date
each of last 5 years: - 0.35%
each of last 10 years: 2%
since inception in April 2007: 3.2%
75   AD   2025 Dec 5, 9:48pm  

Based on my last post, seems like there is more upside potential for investment-grade bond funds over the next few years after reeling from interest rate increases back in 2022.
76   Misc   2025 Dec 5, 9:52pm  

AD says


Based on my last post, seems like there is more upside potential for investment-grade bond funds over the next few years after reeling from interest rate increases back in 2022.


Stick with treasuries. The spread between corporates and treasuries is very small because of programmed investments and investor apathy/ That'll change if there is a downturn. People can trust the Rating Companies at their own peril.
77   AD   2025 Dec 5, 9:54pm  

Maybe younger generation and even Gen X is a lot more aggressive with asset allocation now, and that is why (as per my recent post on this thread) that less are investing in bond funds.

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https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/housing-affordability-generational-wealth/

Convinced they will never be able to afford a home, many young people are giving up on saving for a down payment and adopting reckless financial habits instead, according to a concerning new study.

The individual financial consequences and generational economic fallout from growing homeownership despair could be profound, according to the study from economists Seung Hyeong Lee of Northwestern University and Younggeun Yoo of the University of Chicago.

The economists find that renters who give up on buying a home start behaving very differently from those who still hope to become homeowners, with the discouraged group squandering their money, slacking off at work, and gambling on risky investments out of desperation.

"Housing has become increasingly out of reach for younger generations, and many households are now abandoning the goal of homeownership altogether," the authors write. "Our empirical evidence demonstrates that renters who no longer expect to become homeowners behave very differently from those still trying to buy a home."

It comes as housing affordability remains at multidecade lows, with home prices at record highs and mortgage rates still elevated. Over the past five years, the typical mortgage payment has increased by 82%, while median incomes have grown by just 26%, according to a recent estimate from John Burns Research and Consulting.
78   AD   2025 Dec 5, 10:06pm  

Shaman, the creator of this thread, called it right as Vanguard Total Bond Market ETF (ticker: BND) bottomed around November 2022 when this thread was created.
79   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2025 Dec 6, 4:44am  

AD says

Look at the 2024 values, and if this trend or pattern is true, then expect a recession within 6 to 9 months.

Well?
80   AD   2025 Dec 6, 11:54am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

AD says


Look at the 2024 values, and if this trend or pattern is true, then expect a recession within 6 to 9 months.

Well?


Trump will fix it.
81   RWSGFY   2025 Dec 6, 1:45pm  

AD says

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As far as bonds, stocks and economy, notice everytime the 10 Yr minus 2 Yr is no more than Zero, within a year there is a recession.

Look at the 2024 values, and if this trend or pattern is true, then expect a recession within 6 to 9 months.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y2Y

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Aaaaaaand it didn't happen.
82   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Dec 6, 1:57pm  

Nothing happens because full force of government keeps this fake economy going.
83   AD   2025 Dec 6, 2:20pm  

RWSGFY says

Aaaaaaand it didn't happen.


Because of the Trump Fix.

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