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biden prohibits us citizens from working for chinese semiconductor industry


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2022 Oct 18, 11:20pm   860 views  3 comments

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Biden’s chip controls may force Chinese-Americans working in China’s semiconductor firms to choose between their citizenship or their job

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-chip-controls-may-force-092957115.html


One term in the Biden administration’s new controls on semiconductor sales to China could ensnare hundreds of Chinese-American tech executives working for the country's tech companies—and perhaps force them to choose between their citizenship, or their job.

The new rules bar “U.S. persons,” which includes both U.S. citizens and permanent residents, from supporting the “development or production” of advanced chips at Chinese factories without a license. It's the first time export controls on China extend to people, rather than just organizations or companies.


A good move IMO. I'll give biden credit for this and his prior moves to foster american chip manufacturing, and to slow chynas chip advancement. Although I do worry which chinese companies will be "licensed" for this latest gig. Seems to me any company making advanced chips for ANY purpose will help chyna. Chips, the knowledge, and the equipment are easily repurposed / redesigned. So even if we think we can just yank the license from companies we think are working with the CCP/military, it probably wont help much. But I suppose its better than nothing. It may also deter some americans from working on certain jobs if they think the license may get suddenly yanked one day.

And IMO Trump gets ultimate credit for this. Until Trump paved the way, no politician would dare suggest we stop massaging the chynese nut sack. But now it seems like both parties are on board and have stopped pretending that were friends, and are supporting decoupling moves.

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1   AD   2022 Oct 18, 11:22pm  

Biden has continued some of Trump's policies in regards to China.

It is not hard to do. I think even the most Woke Democrats in the National Security Council agree with what you wrote in regards to semiconductor restrictions.

I bet they also don't doubt the concept of China's 100 Year Plan.

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2   richwicks   2022 Oct 19, 1:27am  

Hircus says


A good move IMO. I'll give biden credit for this and his prior moves to foster american chip manufacturing, and to slow chynas chip advancement. Although I do worry which chinese companies will be "licensed" for this latest gig.


HAHAHA.

This is China's top supercomputer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunway_TaihuLight

It uses a "SW26010 manycore" set of processors. What are those?

Nobody really knows... Basically a state secret. Their supercomputers run a modified version of Beowulf.

China has been independent of the United States for over a decade. This is 15 years too late, more like 20.

I'm TRAINED as a VLSI designer (thank god I never went into the field!) and the problem is that instead of concentrating on making better and superior chips, like the DEC Alpha, the ARM, RISC-V, we're still largely using a 1970's architecture based mess cobbled together to limp along.

We kind of suffer in the same way many early adopting countries do. We have existing infrastructure, so we're reluctant to change course. That's why GB Internet is still relatively rare in the United States, and is the standard in S. Korea. I have GB Internet, I can download an entire operating system (about 2GB) in 30 seconds. It's overkill, I don't need this sort of speed, and you only notice it when you're downloading truly huge files, but I can (and do) run a website at my home.
3   Hircus   2022 Oct 27, 12:15pm  

richwicks says

HAHAHA.


We are late, but not too late to still act. I think we've been very foolish to laugh and dismiss china for so long. I don't think an impressive supercomputer is required to create most types of impressive tech and advancement. They've quickly closed many tech gaps between us, and are to the point where if they focus more heavily on a tech area than we do, there's a good chance they'll beat us at it.

They've done pretty well with their facial recognition surveillance state. I'm not sure their computer vision skills eclipse ours just yet, but they will sure have a lot of excellent practice from building it. They also have a lot of experience building impressive consumer drones, and I think lots of inexpensive drones could make for some interesting military or police applications. The combination of the two might help them with ongoing policing of a conquered city, or more likely for maintaining control of their citizens.

Code has little barrier to entry, which is why we've seen 3rd world countries catch up in this area so quickly. Advanced chips are only a small piece of things, and I think they can do pretty well without them, but if they're not able to acquire them in large numbers, then it becomes an advantage we have that they don't. Their engineers will gain skills mostly using the commodity chips they have, while ours gain experience using the advanced chips.

It's not a large advantage, but IMO anything to slow them is probably worthwhile.

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