patrick.net

I guess low-IQ individuals are really attracted to the low-IQ Pukin regime:

It's unclear what foreign nation the person the FBI communicated with wanted to give the information to, although the affidavit suggests it's Russia. The affidavit said Dalke claims to have elementary proficiency in both Russian and Spanish and said the person they corresponded with told the undercover agent that their heritage "ties back to your country, which is part of why I have come to you as opposed to others."

In addition, the person, asking for verification that the agent they were communicating with was a member of a foreign government, said they had reached through a number of channels to get a response, including a submission to the SVR Tor site.

The SVR is Russia's foreign intelligence service. Tor is open-source software used to hide an internet user's location and use by sending internet traffic through a relay network.

The FBI says the person they communicated with had criticized the United States for its actions around the world and said the "country it is not as great as it thinks it once was. It is all about the businesses and their money, not anything about the people or those that serve it to include the military."

Why do you have such a hard on for Putin?

RedStar says

Why do you have such a hard on for Putin?

You think I'm that Dalke guy posting about my heroic deeds?

Bless your heart.

personal

@"Eric Holder" Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Ukraine is far away, and I assume you're not Ukrainian yourself.

Maybe "Because Putin invaded Ukraine and lots of people died."

But to be consistent, do you hate, say, Bush just as much for invading Iraq? Far more people died, and the excuse for invasion was far less plausible.

@Patrick - Eric Holder is a troll or a glowie. I'll bet you $100 you don't get a reasoned thought out answer from him. I never have.

Eric Holder says

Dalke was tied to the email account used to communicate with the FBI agent

It's not hard to use anonymous email, strike one.

Eric Holder says

is user account had printed all four of the classified documents.

Not hard to use a non-networked printer, strike two.

Eric Holder says

someone opened an account under Dalke's real name on the Kraken crypto exchange

You NEVER, EVER use your real name, strike three.

Eric Holder says

and withdrew the dollars ($4,559.81) from the exchange on August 9, and three days later deposited the same amount of money into a bank account in Colorado

This sum is so paltry compared to the risk, ridiculous anyone would ever do this for such a low sum, strike four. And at such a small amount, why re-deposit any of it, strike five.

Whoever this was, they were no NSA employee, had not the faintest clue about security or privacy, and had to be mentally retarded at some level to commit espionage for such a paltry sum. I mean, it's almost as if they wanted to get caught, and didn't need the money. Give me access to these files, and I wouldn't get caught. And I don't know shit compared to the average NSA employee.

If you buy this story as is, you probably thought the bombing of the Twin towers was legit too(before 9/11).

richwicks says

Eric Holder is a troll or a glowie

1. Let's not get personal.
2. I think he really hates Putin, but I don't understand why.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Eric Holder is a troll or a glowie

1. Let's not get personal.
2. I think he really hates Putin, but I don't understand why.

Well, good luck asking him. I'm not kidding about the bet either. He just rants, and that's why I don't think I'm getting "personal". He talks, he doesn't listen. Kind of like a computer program.

I'm telling you, EVERY GROUP is infiltrated.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Eric Holder is a troll or a glowie

1. Let's not get personal.
2. I think he really hates Putin, but I don't understand why.

Some have ethnic reasons, they either were persecuted/disadvantaged or some of their ancestors/family (some Jews, Kasparov etc.)/kgb, or they are Polish or Eastern European and have experienced the communist regime. And to be fair, the Western block, esp. the US has done their atrocities in "subtler" ways, with much better propaganda in place to prepare the npcs for compliance, and, until the past years, never mass-harmed or maimed their own population, only others (not that it make it much better, but let's not forget that leaders are supposed to put their citizens first).

cisTits says

PDS & Neocons explained

It's a good article, but it doesn't explain the psychology of otherwise reasonable people suddenly frothing at the mouth about Putin Putin Putin. What is actually driving that hate at the psychological level?

My mother's ancestors all lived under the Tsar and hated him (my Polish great grandfather was drafted against his will and sent to fight Japan, for example). But I don't take that history as a reason to hate Putin personally.

cisTits says

Patrick says

What is actually driving that hate at the psychological level?

Nutjobs who may otherwise demonstrate logical and critical thinking skills...except for this. Just like people do for Trump.

Patrick says

But I don't take that history as a reason to hate Putin personally.

Because it makes ZERO sense to do so. Unless you personally have suffered from what Putin did, it doesn't make sense.

I think there are some valid reasons and everyone can support and hate on whomever they want, just don't squander my taxpayer money on it. Plus any life lost in a war that can easily be averted via diplomacy is one too many.

Patrick says

My mother's ancestors all lived under the Tsar and hated him (my Polish great grandfather was drafted against his will and sent to fight Japan, for example).

My great grandfather on my mother's side abandoned everything he knew in Poland because he had already gone through WWI and he had NO intention of going through WWII. Poland at the time was basically Russia.

If Eric wanted to troll he could have cleaned up during the scamdemic, and the Trump years. Especially with the Trump/Russia fairy tale. Just because someone takes an opposing side does not make them a troll.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Eric Holder is a troll or a glowie

1. Let's not get personal.
2. I think he really hates Putin, but I don't understand why.

maybe hes Ukrainian, that would be a pretty good reason

Putin is a Trad Alternative to Wokey, one of the few. Yes, there's Orban and the Poles, but they have to watch it as EU members under the Fourth Reich's Domination.

@Eric_Holder isn't a bot or troll or glowie, I'm pretty sure.

Patrick says

@"Eric Holder" Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Hey @Patrick - you didn't get a response did you?

You criticized me for saying I think Eric Holder is a glowie or a dupe. Glowie is better, they get paid.

People who repeat propaganda can't deal with the concept they are victims of propaganda, or they are propagandists themselves. Notice he couldn't meet your little request. He either cannot think, or is paid not to think.

Now you can claim that's personal, but however, what other conclusion can I draw?

Hey @"Eric Holder" - are you able to answer the question that Patrick put to you, and that is:

Patrick says

@"Eric Holder" Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Ukraine is far away, and I assume you're not Ukrainian yourself.

Maybe "Because Putin invaded Ukraine and lots of people died."

But to be consistent, do you hate, say, Bush just as much for invading Iraq? Far more people died, and the excuse for invasion was far less plausible.

Let's see you do something I don't recall seeing you do - explain yourself, and prove you can think and you have reasoning capability.

Patrick says

It's a good article, but it doesn't explain the psychology of otherwise reasonable people suddenly frothing at the mouth about Putin Putin Putin. What is actually driving that hate at the psychological level?

That's easy to answer.

Television "news" media and late night television shows.

cisTits says

why is this market personal? I just asked him to answer your question.

You said:

Is it because you are just being a troll here?

That's definitely personal.

Patrick says

You said:

Is it because you are just being a troll here?

That's definitely personal.

It's a legitimate question. Recall, you asked:

Patrick says

@"Eric Holder" Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Ukraine is far away, and I assume you're not Ukrainian yourself.

Maybe "Because Putin invaded Ukraine and lots of people died."

But to be consistent, do you hate, say, Bush just as much for invading Iraq? Far more people died, and the excuse for invasion was far less plausible.

And he didn't answer, as I predicted.

richwicks says

@Patrick - Eric Holder is a troll or a glowie. I'll bet you $100 you don't get a reasoned thought out answer from him. I never have.

He doesn't respond. He just stirs shit up in the toilet bowl. I know you want to keep it tidy and clean, but it is the Internet.

Your rules though. I don't believe you should restrict people from sharing opinions on people's motivations - having said that, you know what my opinion is worth? Nothing.

cisTits says

richwicks says

That's definitely personal.

Nope. I am just asking him a question. I haven't called him a troll or a glowing, as others have.

Your comment should be directed to @Patrick. There's a bug on this board that sometimes misattributes quotes.

cisTits says

I haven't called him a troll

Yes, when you said "you are just being a troll".

Patrick says

cisTits says

I haven't called him a troll

Yes, when you said "you are just being a troll".

Do you think he's incorrect?

Where is his answer to your question? Several people have called out Eric Holder multiple times, but he's not responded in this thread. His last response on this thread was on October 4, 5:39 in this thread, here - and again, he's been directly addressed multiple times, even by you. Notice his statement that I gave in that link, was non sensical.

His last post on this board was here on October 8, 7:47 am.

He IS a troll. He's not interested in discussion at all. He's interested in provoking people, and nothing else. I doubt he even believes what he says. His name is Eric Holder, perhaps the most corrupt AG in my lifetime.

I think he's a glowie. Look at the care of his responses. I don't think he should be banned of course, but I think it's only here for disruption. Not communication. I've tried to talk to him MULTIPLE times, and there's no reasoning or sensible response. It could entirely be a computer program. I don't think it's account should be removed or wiped, it should be studied. Believe me Patrick, every group is infiltrated. It's cheap to do at this point, practically free.

Now you make construe this as personal, but I don't think what we're talking about is human, so how can that be personal?

richwicks says

glowie

Glowie
Normally used for the CIA but also used for agencies like the ATF, FBI, etc. Their inability to blend in to the native population's habits, patterns and speech makes them stick out like a sore thumb to the population, hence they "glow in the dark."

The most common trappings of government shills are their inability/hesitation to use the major racial slurs, improper use of memes, and the pushing of mainstream political theories.

See also: Glow in the dark, glowposting
URBAN DICTIONARY

When someone is inane I ignore them. I don't need no stinkin' ignore button.

Onvacation says

The most common trappings of government shills are their inability/hesitation to use the major racial slurs, improper use of memes, and the pushing of mainstream political theories.

I stand by my assessment.

@"Eric Holder" - why should anybody not believe you're a glowie? And by the way, if you think it's some sort of badge of honor for somebody to believe you work as a propagandist for the intelligence agencies, any idiot can. It's not hard to get a job to work for garbage, if you're also garbage.

There, there's a personal statement. Let's see if there's a response. Machines don't yet have anything near human level intellect, and possibly never will. Such systems are massive to simulate it, but none of them are creative, they just regurgitate expected responses.

20 years ago, I thought all thinking was purely computational. I started to think this was incorrect about 5 years ago. We cannot make a creative machine, and we have absolutely no idea what sentience or consciousness is still. The singularity may be unobtainable at least with current assumptions.

Onvacation says

When someone is inane I ignore them. I don't need no stinkin' ignore button.

Even people who habitually post stupidity, sometimes have insight. Really stupid people, are actively ignorant - they need an ignore button.

cisTits says

richwicks says

@"Eric Holder" - why should anybody not believe you're a glowie?

@Patrick wtf is the above? Same thing I did. Asking a question.

Human beings can't be entirely objective. I won't object if Patrick dings me, ALSO, I won't press the issue if he does. I'll drop it and forget it, at least for a time until this pops up again.

Also, I'm purposely being a little provocative. Let's see if Eric Holder responds. My bet is he doesn't, and I expect Patrick to notice that.

I am NOT asking Patrick to do anything about it. I think Eric Holder should be studied. Propaganda is done usually with human supervision. A lot of it is done by automated scripts but with human oversight to make certain that whatever is created makes some SORT of sense. I've dealt with Hasbera and GIYUS before, it's all the same crappy software.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Eric Holder is really a person typing and thinking.

I bet Patrick just doesn't think his little blog is worth infiltrating. My experience is every place is, to varying degrees with different strategies. Certain sites are filled with anti-Semites, the KKK, clearly crazy conspiracy theories, etc - very few of them are authentic.

@cisTits

Calling someone a pile of shit is also pretty damn personal.

cisTits says

Asking a question.

You know it's a personal insult and not a good-faith question.

Patrick says

cisTits says

Asking a question.

You know it's a personal insult and not a good-faith question.

To be fair, you should review what I've written as well.

I'm trying to prove something to you. Why hasn't Eric Holder responded with your honest question, which was made in good-faith?

I don't think Eric Holder, if it's a person, acts in good faith.

richwicks says

Why hasn't Eric Holder responded with your honest question, which was made in good-faith?

I don't know, but I'm not trying to insult him in any way.

You are overtly trying to insult him, posting a picture of an NPC and saying it's him, not to mention this:

He hates what he's told to hate. There's no reasoning involved.

That's 100% personal, no good will, no sincere desire to understand his point of view.

Patrick says

I don't know, but I'm not trying to insult him in any way.

I'm just saying, you're making a leap of faith to think it's a he. It very well might be an it. "He" can trivially prove it, by having a thoughtful discussion. A machine can't, a propagandist really can't - they don't know enough. They reflect opinions they are paid to project, they are not paid to think and reason.

Patrick says

You are overtly trying to insult him, posting a picture of an NPC and saying it's him, not to mention this:

He hates what he's told to hate. There's no reasoning involved.

That's 100% personal, no good will, no sincere desire to understand his point of view.

I don't see where I wrote that in my history, but I agree with it, so I probably did and you removed it, which is fine.

I don't believe it's a human being. I've tried to engage with him multiple times, and there's never any success. Either a troll or a bot or a combination. That's my conclusion.

Try to get "him" to have a discussion with you. I've done this with many people. After a point, I write them off. For example - I don't think "mostly reader" is really a real person. "He" tries to bully me into accepting his opinion, and when I ask for sources that he uses to form his, supposed, opinion, was a 300 page book written in Russian.

Everybody is infiltrated, don't sweat it.

People reflect what they read and absorb, so sometimes it's difficult to tell if I'm talking to a real person, or a bot, or a real person that is controlled by bots. That's how confusing it is today.

cisTits says

richwicks says

Patrick says

cisTits says

Asking a question.

You know it's a personal insult and not a good-faith question.

To be fair, you should review what I've written as well.

Yeah. Asking if someone is a glowie isn't personal but asking them if they are a troll is?

@Patrick

??

Notice as we all argue over what Eric Holder is, Eric Holder is entirely silent.

I'm telling you, his JOB is to stir up shit in the toilet bowl.

I'm done with this thread. It's obvious to me what Eric Holder is. I mean, why would anybody name themselves after the most corrupt attorney general in the last 50 years?

If the minority view on the site is constantly lambasted and ridiculed, the result will be an echo chamber. Everyone has a right to their views, and not to be insulted, whether is direct, or insinuated.

cisTits says

it was a good faith question

"Why are you a troll?" is about the same as "Do you still kick your mother?"

Patrick says

"Do you still kick your mother?"

BTW, this question is easily addressed with the reply "I've never kicked my mother".

I see it as much simpler.

Given the fact that debate ends as soon as personal insults begin, personal insults should not be allowed.

That's all there is to it.

richwicks says

I mean, why would anybody name themselves after the most corrupt attorney general in the last 50 years?

Bless your heart, my simple friend.