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socal2 says

What is false or out of context?

There can be no disputing that Russia has less conquered territory in Ukraine today than they had 1 year ago despite spending BILLIONS on material and tens of thousands of Russian lives.

You are totally clueless.

Russia does not have to 'win' this war. Ukraine does.

And Ukraine failed to do so. And because of that, it is toast.

Period.

All the bullshit non-points you mention are just that when brought up against the aforementioned reality.

AmericanKulak says

That being said, Russia is clearly NOT a threat because of their complete shit performance in Ukraine. By sheer weight of men and materiale they should have been in Kiev at a week, tops.

Why? Because YOU say so?

Russia isn't fighting a war for territory. Not in this phase. It got what it wanted as far as territory goes and can hold it indefinitely.

Ukraine on the other hand can't win unless it gets its territory back. Which it won't.

All Russia has to do is keep letting the Butchers of Kyiv throw more men into the slaughter. Russian efficiency at killing Ukies being thrown up against their echelon defenses exceeds that of the Nazi death camps.

Ukraine is fucked. But you can't see that because of how YOU IMAGINE this war to be and how YOU IMAGINE it is being fought is at odds with actual reality.

Ukraine

Is

Fucked

Read & learn something:

https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/bound-to-lose

Trollhole says

Russia isn't fighting a war for territory. Not in this phase. It got what it wanted as far as territory goes and can hold it indefinitely.

I'm going to give you something that will likely annoy you, but it's friendly advice.

Don't get frustrated by people that "disagree with you", especially if they only pretend to disagree with you.

Just assume they are genuinely wrong, and explain how they are wrong. There's PLENTY of people that just pretend you are wrong, when they know you're correct. This includes assholes, propagandists (professional assholes), and trolls (assholes for fun and games). I generally assume I'm dealing with a propagandist when I suspect they know they are wrong, and still persist.

It really doesn't matter what an AMERICAN believes about this stupid fucking war, we have ZERO control over our government, and therefore ZERO control over the outcome of this war. I'd prefer it to end as soon as possible, but it won't. This is a proxy war and a shared goal of each power is to damage the other power through attrition. I don't believe people in control of US foreign policy give a shit about the health of the nation or the future of Americans at all.

Because the United States spends 10x to 100x on their shitty military weaponry, because that's extremely lucrative to the Offense Industry, I expect the United States to lose. That's not a goal of the Offense Industry. They don't care about wining, they care about profits.

You have understand what a sociopath is. It's like in a video game, do you feel badly about killing a video game character or another player? That's how they feel, they don't feel. They have as much guilt and remorse about getting a 100 babies killed as you do cracking 100 eggs.

Americans are generally entirely divorced from reality. They've never seen real war, even the MILITARY has never seen real war. They aren't seeing their wives and mothers raped and murdered, they aren't seeing their kids starve in abject poverty, their cities destroyed. Why do you think we have such violent films, and the "enemy" whoever it is, is depicted as pure evil? It's to desensitize them and it's been very successful.

Want to see a horrific war film? Watch "Come and See" by Elem Klimov. This film is subtitled, and that's for the best. It's horrific.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_See

Somebody, somewhere, is going through that shit right now. War is horrific.

I've never experienced war except 2nd hand. I knew people completely fucked by it. They never recovered. I knew a man whose job was to drag bodies out of Normandy beach to be buried. My great uncle photographed either Hiroshima or Nagasaki - I know he did this, but not which city. I was forbidden from asking questions. The past is dead and buried and should be, to an extent. We keep making the same mistakes.

Most people, even the people involved, have no clue. The horrific starvation we all saw in Nazi Germany in concentration camps - that's because the Allies cut off supply lines - they were slave labor camps making munitions. The Allies didn't just cut off raw materials, they cut off food. War is insane, and propaganda was quickly produced to blame the Germans for this, when we were responsible, but it had to be done. It's ruthless.

My objection to the Ukraine war, is it's not necessary. I'm suspecting at this point neither WWI or WWII were necessary so I'm looking for who is causing this shit, and it might very well be our banking industry. They profit enormously over the destruction.

richwicks says

Russia isn't interested in keeping every inch of territory. The more territory they have, the more they have to defend. They are primarily interested in destroying the Ukrainian military. They may repeatedly take, and give up land in order to do that.

And Ukraine is now one of the heaviest armed, motivated and most experienced militaries in Europe launching near daily drone attacks deep inside Russia including Moscow.

Even Russian propagandists on RT and the Prigozhin admitted that Russia's main goal of demilitarizing the Ukrainian "Nazees" was a total failure to this point.

But keep moving those goal posts!

socal2 says

And Ukraine is now one of the heaviest armed, motivated and most experienced militaries in Europe launching near daily drone attacks deep inside Russia including Moscow.

Oh wow! Drone attacks that do jack shit with regards to the strategic situation.

'Heaviest armed'? Hahaha.

Why Russia Isn't Actually Collapsing


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socal2 says

And Ukraine is now one of the heaviest armed, motivated and most experienced militaries in Europe launching near daily drone attacks deep inside Russia including Moscow.

Their military has been cut in 1/2 if you are to believe the so-called Discord leaks.

They could be the most heavily armed military in the world, but if they don't have any living people to use the weapons, it doesn't matter.

socal2 says

And Ukraine is now one of the heaviest armed, motivated and most experienced militaries in Europe launching near daily drone attacks deep inside Russia including Moscow.

Interesting. That sounds like a description of Germany in 1944, with Germany's V1 and V2 "drone" attacks deep inside Britain including London.

HeadSet says

socal2 says

And Ukraine is now one of the heaviest armed, motivated and most experienced militaries in Europe launching near daily drone attacks deep inside Russia including Moscow.

Interesting. That sounds like a description of Germany in 1944, with Germany's V1 and V2 "drone" attacks deep inside Britain including London.

Germany had to resort to V1/V2's after failing to control the sky with conventional aerial bombing years earlier.

Ukraine never had control of the airspace, or ability to launch drone attacks against Russia.

So these recent attacks inside Russia is a major escalation, and a major nuisance causing Russia to move it's dwindling anti-air defense systems around major cities and commercial airports as opposed to protecting Russian invaders inside of Ukraine.

Russia’s Tiny Drones Are Now Flying Far Enough To Blow Up Ukrainian MiGs At Their Bases

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/19/russias-tiny-drones-are-now-flying-far-enough-to-blow-up-ukrainian-migs-at-their-bases/

(To the tune of On top of Old Smokey)

Oh on top of Mount Ukey
All covered in propaganda shit
A MiG fighter, took a Russian drone hit.
The Ukey shills on PatNet
will scream, "That is a LIE!"
Oblivious that their sisters,
are taking Russian creampie!

Very redpilled to see what the Ukie women are up to while the men are sent "Back to the Front".

They're ass shakin' for foreign workers in Kiev
https://www.nytimesn7cgmftshazwhfgzm37qxb44r64ytbb2dj3x62d2lljsciiyd.onion/2022/07/26/world/asia/kyiv-ukraine-war-nightlife.html

or doing Onlyfans for cash on top of their Eurorefugee benefits in Helsinki while filing for divorce
https://archive.ph/qp0Nl

or baking fish in their NGO-provided "Fempartment" in Lvov while dying their hair fuscia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/1/10/the-feminist-community-emerging-from-the-war-in-ukraine

But don't worry, the Tech people, like the 22-gay guy that draw LGTBQ+ friendly Dinosaurs for PBS kids shows for a subcontractor, is immune from the draft. He's a Fortunate Son. But Roman the truck driver, 38 with 3 kids, got pulled out of his truck and sent.

AmericanKulak says

They're ass shakin' for foreign workers in Kiev
https://www.nytimesn7cgmftshazwhfgzm37qxb44r64ytbb2dj3x62d2lljsciiyd.onion/2022/07/26/world/asia/kyiv-ukraine-war-nightlife.html

Broken link, @AmericanKulak

UkraineIsFucked says

Broken link, AmericanKulak

Shit, I only open the NYT via Brave Tor/Onion. Definitely don't have the link anymore. But we all know that most of the fled Ukie women broke up with their boyfriends/husbands and many are booty shakin' for eurobucks.

UkraineIsFucked says

AmericanKulak says

They're ass shakin' for foreign workers in Kiev
https://www.nytimesn7cgmftshazwhfgzm37qxb44r64ytbb2dj3x62d2lljsciiyd.onion/2022/07/26/world/asia/kyiv-ukraine-war-nightlife.html

Broken link, AmericanKulak

@UkraineIsFucked and @AmericanKulak

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/26/world/asia/kyiv-ukraine-war-nightlife.html

I found it by doing a search on: "world/asia/kyiv-ukraine-war-nightlife.html" in brave:

https://search.brave.com/search?q=world%2Fasia%2Fkyiv-ukraine-war-nightlife.html&source=desktop

When you use a functioning search engine, any 6 words strung together is either unique, or a quote. Google has been breaking this, as has been Yahoo! (before Google certainly) for a long time. It USED to be I could find my own quotes by just typing out what I said.

Brave sucks for now, but it's getting better. Yandex is better than Google now, and I've migrated to it for nearly everything.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Yo Ukie Nazi Fluffers of PatNet!

Why the fuck should we care about Ukraine when Ukrainians themselves won't fight for it?

Here it comes: RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!

But how do you jive this with the bullshit you post that Russia is too incompetent to fight this war?

Ppl don't pay 10k euro bribes to avoid Russians who can't shoot straight, after all.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Yo Ukie Nazi Fluffers of PatNet!

Why the fuck should we care about Ukraine when Ukrainians themselves won't fight for it?

Here it comes: RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!

But how do you jive this with the bullshit you post that Russia is too incompetent to fight this war?

Ppl don't pay 10k euro bribes to avoid Russians who can't shoot straight, after all.

Not sure who you're talking about. Every war has men flee because the women flee. Russia is the aggressor so Russian women are just fine, but a lot of Russians are dying as well. Both sides have lost more than we did in 20 years in 2 wars recently. I'd pay to leave Ukraine. Don't blame them. Some of them do believe the fight is worth it. We have years of this. It has already been a decade before the "special military operations" announcement 2 years ago. Putin wanted Ukraine from the beginning but played the long game.

There will be another major conflict that distracts Russia before November. Rarely if ever has a wartime POTUS lost. This is the 2020 covid with this cycle. They'll cut funding to Ukraine at some point, but fund some other proxy war. Get your popcorn ready. This is a known playbook.

WookieMan says

Some of them do believe the fight is worth it.

The brainwashed that don't realize the fight is hopeless. There is no point in entering a fight when you have no hope of winning.

WookieMan says

Putin wanted Ukraine from the beginning but played the long game.

Russia won't absorb Ukraine. That's just US propaganda. They will probably take over the Donbas or allow them to become "independent" which is what they wanted from the start.

WookieMan says

There will be another major conflict that distracts Russia before November. Rarely if ever has a wartime POTUS lost. This is the 2020 covid with this cycle. They'll cut funding to Ukraine at some point, but fund some other proxy war. Get your popcorn ready. This is a known playbook.

I doubt there will be another major conflict. Kazakhstan fizzled out quick and I don't think any other nation is eager to get destroyed either. I think part of the reason that Ukraine is in a slow grind to the death is Russia is warning other nations not to become US proxies. There isn't enough time to create another major conflict, it took years to get Ukraine going off.

I think the US finally bit off more than it could chew. That might be the reason that Victoria Nuland was FINALLY fired. This is a conflict that the US is going to definitely lose, and it's another nail in the coffin for our propaganda system. They spent years claiming that Ukraine was just on the cusp of winning. They did the same with Afghanistan and Syria, but people weren't convinced to put up flags of those countries in their stupid social media posts.

This the latest narrative about the Moscow terror attack.

"The detained suspect appears to give his name as Redzhep Alizode, and is believed to be from Tajikistan."

https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/23/russian-troops-hack-off-moscow-terror-suspects-ear-feed-20518156/

Recall Putin said that the CIA going back to Clinton was supporting Islamic adversaries to Russia ? I hope they don't try to pin this on the CIA.
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