4
0

How about a search engine which specializes in based content?


 email                
2022 Sep 24, 10:29pm   490 views  48 comments

by Patrick   ➕follow (48)   💰tip ($0.75 in tips)  

Since Google flagrantly censors anything which exposes the corruption of the oligarchy, there seems to be an unmet need for a search engine which UPRANKS politically incorrect content like vaxx skepticism, conservative sites, Urban Dictionary, etc.

My wife thinks it should be called "Missing Link" because it's exactly about the links missing from Google and other far-left search engines.

Anyone interested in starting a company with me doing this?

« First    « Previous    Comments 8 - 47 of 48   Next »    Last »

8   kimtitu   2022 Sep 25, 4:32pm  

In my opinion, if you want to challenge Google by providing content they suppress, the effort will be monumental. They just need to tweak their algorithm to achieve what you are trying to do to squash you. Once you are gone, they will return to who they were. In other words, don't try to do the same thing Google does and hope to beat them in their game.

In search engine world, may be it already exist, I've not come across an interactive search experience. Instead of single phrase search and receive the pre-ranked results in one shot, how about iterative search result. For example searching for 'phone', give user choice to narrow down the scope to 'devices', 'services', 'provider' and etc. Then do it iteratively for a few level and let user decides when to stop the narrowing process and check the search result. The goal is to present content based search with feedback from the person who is searching.
9   cisTits   2022 Sep 25, 5:45pm  

Unfortunately, what kimtitu said.

BUT for any effort to do the next thing beyond indexed search, oh yeah.
10   Ceffer   2022 Sep 25, 5:46pm  

The DARPA Godzilla will crush you with extreme prejudice. Might as well try to stand up to Standard Oil.
11   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 25, 6:01pm  

I'll be looking to leave once I get my bonus early next year. Not the strongest coder though.

How would this differ from presearch or brave search?

One thing I've noticed, average people struggle with understanding how to be use a search engine. I do think some type of category filtering could be very useful for those who struggle being concise enough to get the results they want.

Google is not easier because the interpret bad searches better, but because they spy on you, and factor that data into your searches.
12   richwicks   2022 Sep 25, 6:02pm  

An opt-in search engine should be made, with the ability of users to expose that they are spamming for hits. Websites that spam for hits should be shunned.

I know how this can be done, but I need Patrick to listen to me. I'm not going to post it here.

The problem is there's a great risk of group stupidity, however, I don't know if that's a risk with the general stupidity.

Patrick - when we next meet up, remind me, OR go to the email on my pi. I've asked you several times before.
13   Patrick   2022 Sep 25, 6:16pm  

kimtitu says

They just need to tweak their algorithm to achieve what you are trying to do to squash you.


@kimtitu I don't know what you mean. I'm trying to make it easy for the public to find the information that Google is censoring, like the inefficacy and danger of the vaxx.

It's pretty much certain that Google will never make it easy for the public to find that information.
14   Patrick   2022 Sep 25, 6:21pm  

NuttBoxer says

How would this differ from presearch or brave search?


First, thanks for telling me about presearch, didn't know about them. https://presearch.com/search?q=vaccine+injury

But the distinguishing difference would be that it would be exclude the government and corporate propaganda, and instead index the smaller sites, Substack, and the sites that Google bans.

I don't want to index the whole world, just the important issues that are being suppressed. I really like the idea of hierarchical search, where you drill down.
15   Patrick   2022 Sep 25, 6:39pm  

Booger says

Is fuckbiden.com available?


No, someone got it:


% whois fuckbiden.com
Domain Name: FUCKBIDEN.COM
Registry Domain ID: 2320210722_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com/
Updated Date: 2021-08-29T03:42:22Z
Creation Date: 2018-10-11T18:06:54Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2022-10-11T18:06:54Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
16   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 25, 7:52pm  

Ok, so this is a specific search, tailored to censored content. I'd imagine you'd want to heavily incorporate archive sites as well for things that get outright scrubbed.

What about uncensored.com, or similar?
17   Patrick   2022 Sep 25, 9:04pm  

Yes, it would need to either cache things itself of use reliable archive sites.

uncensored.com is taken. Pretty much everything short ending in .com is taken. But there are alternate top level domains, like .net and a slew of newer ones.
18   apex   2022 Sep 25, 9:27pm  

Patrick says

Would people actually take the time to look in a separate search engine?


Absolutely.

I used to use text-based search spiders in the late 80s and early 90s when there were no "search engines. Then I started using Yahoo back in the 90s.
Switched to the big G sometime in the late 90's or early '00s.
Started using DuckDuckGo in the late '00s because I got sick of G's evil ways.
Found out afterwards that DDG was also pozzed...
so I switched to search.brave.com (and onion based searches when I really want to keep things private)

The point is that if you build something that works as a search engine, and you provide a compelling reason (no ads, or privacy, or something else), then enough people will switch. It will take a while though, because habits...
19   apex   2022 Sep 25, 9:36pm  

Patrick says

I don't want to index the whole world, just the important issues that are being suppressed.


Sorry to say that means you're starting the race with one foot shackled to the ground.

You will have to provide general search capability in order for people to adopt your search engine as a habit. If they have to use Google to search for Chicken Recipes, and then remember to use your site for "suppressed" information (assuming they even know it is suppressed), it is unlikely that you will get traction.

A generic search spider will find all information that's out there. Google has to add algorithms to suppress things from the result -- if you skip this part, presto you've already got your unsuppressed results.
20   Patrick   2022 Sep 25, 9:42pm  

It doesn't seem realistic for me to start a general search engine, not unless I could get millions in funding, but that funding is all controlled by people who are part of the same censorship state.
21   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 26, 12:54am  

I disagree that you have to target everyone. If you have a product, and a target group, that's all you need. There are plenty of tools out there that are certainly not for everyone. I could see this being used for research, by people who are either getting their content censored, or just woke up, and by anyone who wants both sides of a story.

Even with presearch and brave, the results still tend to be heavily skewed towards the state's narrative. They don't intend to do that, but I think they still rely on some of the same code or algorithm's underneath the hood.
22   WookieMan   2022 Sep 26, 5:54am  

Patrick says

It's pretty much certain that Google will never make it easy for the public to find that information.

Not defending google. But no one really knows if google itself wants to censor or track people's info. It could be the government telling them to do it. As big as google is, it doesn't have leverage against the US government. They can pretend and maybe even want privacy and not censor things, but they may not have a choice.

You'd likely run into this issue if you made a search engine. No one knows if a government agency walks in out of no where with a gun drawn to Elon Musk for example and tells him what to do. And think about it, I don't care how successful I become, I have no interest in creating vaccines like Bill Gates. That's a weird fucking hobby to have. People are generally dropping dead for diseases they could have prevented. Obesity. Promote getting healthy, I could get behind that.

A lot doesn't add up with these mega companies. We have no clue if they're just puppets of the government. They could just be greedy, but they're all in bed with the government to some extent. They have to be. Give it a shot, but if it were to grow, I'd expect a knock on the door from the government.
23   zzyzzx   2022 Sep 26, 6:44am  

Patrick says

uncensored.com is taken.

Ask how much they want for it.
24   zzyzzx   2022 Sep 26, 6:45am  

Patrick says

It doesn't seem realistic for me to start a general search engine, not unless I could get millions in funding, but that funding is all controlled by people who are part of the same censorship state.


Go on Shark Tank and ask for the money. Or maybe the people who own PornHub might help out, they hate censorship.
25   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Sep 26, 7:00am  

what i hate about google is its lying to me, manipulating search results, driving toward ad space, manipulating elections… basically its a lie.

i use brave search now for that reason
26   apex   2022 Sep 26, 8:06am  

NuttBoxer says

I disagree that you have to target everyone. If you have a product, and a target group, that's all you need.


I actually agree with you on that. However, if you target a niche, you will have a small footprint. The need right now (as I see it) is to provide uncensored search results to as many people as possible, especially those who are unaware or apathetic. Perhaps that wasn't Patrick's intent, and he only wants to provide this for the already-converted, in which case targeting a niche is seems good enough.
27   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 8:55am  

BTW @apex

You seem new here. How did you run across patrick.net? I'd like to greatly expand the readership, but the media and search engines are no longer good for that like they were in the great housing bubble days.

Advice appreciated.
28   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 9:05am  

WookieMan says


But no one really knows if google itself wants to censor or track people's info.


Google absolutely wants to and does censor because it is 100% run by far-left Democrats, and 95% of employees are also Democrats.

It's kind of like the Vatican for Democrats. Any anyone who questions the Democrat religion is burned at the stake there, like James Damore.

Spying on the public is their business. It's what they do and how they make money. How much of that info is turned over to the NSA they don't say, but I don't see any reason to expect it to be less than 100%.
29   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Sep 26, 9:17am  

I miss when the internet was good and Google gave me what I was looking for (even if obscure) and not the paid for placement drivel that one gets today.

I would not recommend cloning or adopting any aspect of their platform, neither look nor feel.

I like the idea of a top down structure you describe.
vaccines > wuhan virus vaccines > dangers > clots

To avoid a general search engine (which is impractical) you'd need a main list of "censored" or alternative topics to focus on, at least initially.

I don't code, but I'd be willing to help in some capacity. Let me know what you need.
30   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 26, 10:44am  

apex says

The need right now (as I see it) is to provide uncensored search results to as many people as possible, especially those who are unaware or apathetic.


This is a good point, and why lastamericanvagabond does pirate casts. To still try and reach those who are not aware. I think you start off with the awake niche, then think about how you can reach the sleeping, since they won't leave google because they know of no reason to.
31   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 10:52am  

Hell, let's just start some structure right here to see how it looks:

Biden > Ukraine > Burisima
Biden > pedophilia
Biden > senility

Wuhan Virus > funding by Fauci
Wuhan Virus > mildness
Wuhan Virus > vaccines > harms > blood clots
Wuhan Virus > vaccines > harms > sudden death
Wuhan Virus > lockdowns > harms > police raids on gatherings
Wuhan Virus > lockdowns > harms > retardation of child development

So each of these drill-downs would end in a set of links giving evidence for what they are trying to hide.

The key criterion for inclusion should be suppression or distortion of the topic in the corporate media. Maybe each topic should also list the reason that it's suppressed in the corporate media, such as who in particular gains money or power by suppressing it.
32   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 7:34pm  

Now that I think about it, I have a zillion links in the threads and comments on patrick.net already, and more every day.

How can I make a hierarchical index as above to make them easier to search?

It's a data transformation problem.
33   kimtitu   2022 Sep 26, 8:28pm  

Patrick says

kimtitu says


They just need to tweak their algorithm to achieve what you are trying to do to squash you.


@kimtitu I don't know what you mean. I'm trying to make it easy for the public to find the information that Google is censoring, like the inefficacy and danger of the vaxx.

It's pretty much certain that Google will never make it easy for the public to find that information.

Once Google detects your search engine existence, it can show some previously censored results. Slowly, majority of the users may cultivate the impression Google also includes offensive result they previously censored. At this point, most everyday users will think Google's result is also impartial, sort of. As a result, users will stay with Google because it is good enough. The best scenario is some specific/skeptical users may occasionally compare Google result with your result but I expect most people don't have that kind of diligent mentality in them. Once Google achieves their goal of keeping users away from your search engine, they can go back to do what they usually do before
34   AmericanKulak   2022 Sep 26, 9:13pm  

Patrick says

Hell, let's just start some structure right here to see how it looks:

Biden > Ukraine > Burisima
Biden > pedophilia
Biden > senility

Wuhan Virus > funding by Fauci
Wuhan Virus > mildness
Wuhan Virus > vaccines > harms > blood clots
Wuhan Virus > vaccines > harms > sudden death
Wuhan Virus > lockdowns > harms > police raids on gatherings
Wuhan Virus > lockdowns > harms > retardation of child development

So each of these drill-downs would end in a set of links giving evidence for what they are trying to hide.

The key criterion for inclusion should be suppression or distortion of the topic in the corporate media. Maybe each topic should also list the reason that it's suppressed in the corporate media, such as who in particular gains money or power by suppressing it.

Nice idea.

Reminds me of the old Yahoo! or was it AltaVista, they had something like that. It would have to be partially curated.
35   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 9:55pm  

Yes, I read that Yahoo did that for a while, but it proved to be too much work compared to the automation from Google.

Ideally, I would classify like that without too much manual labor, but I'm not sure how. Maybe it could be a crowdsourced thing.
36   huey   2022 Sep 26, 10:06pm  

I hadn't heard of presearch either, thanks @NuttBoxer

Patrick I don't know if you've heard of it, but there's a really interesting company and project called Kagi [1] that has an unique and interesting take on search. It's not "based" by any means but they appear to take a pretty strong moral stance against censorship [2] and they're thoughtful in their approach. I've been using it for about a month, it is a paid product. The results are based on a crawler they're writing [3] and intermixed with results they pay for, I think from bing like duckduckgo. My understanding is the goal is to bootstrap the company with the current model and slowly shift their way more and more to using their own engine. Just throwing it out there in case you hadn't heard of it, seems like a promising strategy.

Also I saw you asked someone else, so I may as well mention, I stumbled in here via Poal, someone mentioned you here [4]. I'm huey, hello. This place looks cool.

[1] https://kagi.com/faq
[2] https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probably-have-a-dont-do-that-widget-like-google
[3] https://teclis.com/
[4] https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/577892
37   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 10:12pm  

Welcome @huey

I will look those up.
38   richwicks   2022 Sep 26, 10:47pm  

Patrick says

Ideally, I would classify like that without too much manual labor, but I'm not sure how. Maybe it could be a crowdsourced thing.


@Patrick - are we ever going to meet up?
39   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 26, 11:28pm  

kimtitu says

Once Google detects your search engine existence, it can show some previously censored results.


You don't understand how fragile propaganda is. It's why every fascist regime is so over-the-top with penalties for simply disagreeing with them. Google will never willing let the truth out, as they'd be digging their own grave.
40   Minime   2022 Sep 27, 12:59am  

Couple ideas:
- instead of search engine start it as browser plugin. Its simpler and you can inject your results straight into goofle search results.
- instead of starting company make it open sourse project. Any company can eventually be corrupted
41   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 27, 9:29am  

NuttBoxer says


You don't understand how fragile propaganda is. It's why every fascist regime is so over-the-top with penalties for simply disagreeing with them.


True. Case in point: in Ruscia you get 10 years in prison for calling the SCHMO a war.
42   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 27, 10:20am  

RWSGFY says

True. Case in point: in Ruscia you get 10 years in prison for calling the SCHMO a war.


I think a better example is the people still in prison for the January 6th false flag. Or the people who have been physically assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat. Edward Snowden, Julian Assange. People who were fired, physically attacked, kicked out of school for questioning the scamdemic.

Hmm, those incidents were perpetrated by the same country...
43   Patrick   2022 Sep 27, 12:59pm  

richwicks says

Patrick - are we ever going to meet up?


If we can get four people, including you and me.
44   mell   2022 Sep 27, 1:21pm  

Patrick says

richwicks says


Patrick - are we ever going to meet up?


If we can get four people, including you and me.

You always meet up close to you, that's the problem. And close to public transportation. We could host in wine country or even pick a nice outdoor area/winery. Otherwise I would probably only do north of SF on the west side and north of Oakland on the east side.
45   apex   2022 Sep 28, 8:44am  

Patrick says


BTW @apex
You seem new here. How did you run across patrick.net? I'd like to greatly expand the readership, but the media and search engines are no longer good for that like they were in the great housing bubble days.

I used to be on Patrick.net way back, around 2005-2006, was referred here by a cow-orker at that time. I kind of drifted away for a while, but remembered this site and came back recently. I don't remember my old account, so I created a new one.

(apologies to the board, I couldn't figure out a way to contact Patrick directly. The "contact" link seems to go to a tip-jar instead.)
46   Hircus   2022 Sep 28, 4:24pm  

Patrick says

How can I make a hierarchical index as above to make them easier to search?


Making it so any user can add any tag to any post/comment, and then any user can up or downvote each tag would IMO give a layer of info that could be used to make searching much more effective. Or just browsing by tag(s).

How to get users to actually add tags and vote on them it is a tough part. Most users hardly vote as it is.
47   Patrick   2022 Sep 28, 5:42pm  

@Hircus Thanks for the suggestion. I did have hashtags at one point, and maybe should bring that back.

I used to auto-link hashtags included by the author with the text of a new thread or comment so that a click on a hash tag in any thread or comment would do a search for that tag. But then I thought "People can just do a search anyway for any word, so what's the point?"

Maybe the point is in grouping threads and comments by user-identified topics, and then building an index by those. So these would be tags entered by users on other people's threads and comments. (I'm trying to avoid the term "post" because so many people use post and comment interchangeably.) I think I even had that at one point, but didn't like the extra UI box for entering a tag.

Searching both threads and comments is kind of hard too, since they are separate tables and there are far more comments than threads. Searching more than a million comments is pretty slow. I know I could expand into a separate search process like Elastic Search, but kinda learned to hate Elastic Search when I used it at work for a few years.

So I still lack a clear search direction in my mind.

« First    « Previous    Comments 8 - 47 of 48   Next »    Last »

Please register to comment:

about   best comments   contact   latest images   memes   one year ago   random   suggestions