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I had not made that connection, but you may be right.

I'm still pretty sure that the majority of Iranians hate their Islamic government though.

Patrick says

I had not made that connection, but you may be right.

I'm still pretty sure that the majority of Iranians hate their Islamic government though.

It's the devil you know versus the devil you also know.

If the US is behind this, I guarantee that if Iranians sniff that out, they'll sit still with their current devil.

The Iranian government is HARDLY ideal, but look at what the US has done to countries they have overthrown. Ukraine went to civil war, then war with Russia. Libya has slavery markets and remains in (unstable) civil war - I believe there's a cease fire though (technically). Syria was attacked relentlessly by outside terrorists funded by the United States. Iraq is still unstable, although there are American controlled safe zones. Afghanistan has reverted to the Taliban after 20 years of war. Yemen and Somalia are still being bombed, Yemen is a humanitarian disaster, probably Somalia is as well, but I don't have direct evidence. Pakistan? They've always been a mess, that's a country that probably the US has had the least deleterious effect on.

The US creates instability and chaos today. It does not try to create solutions or stability. They create problems, they never offer solutions. Madmen run our country. They believe in the "broken window" theory. Instead of building up societies, they destroy them and garner control, power, and money off from rebuilding what they destroyed. We're run by sociopaths that don't believe in advancement or development.

Nutcases like these kept us int the dark ages for a 1,000 years because although their life sucked, their life sucked less than the people they ruled over. They were, in comparative, luxury. We all live better than the wealthiest king of 300 years ago. Got a flush toilet and central heating and can rapidly travel anywhere in the world? You make King George the III look like a pauper, and he WAS.

I'm sure there's more than a few who remember life under the Shah, before the US installed religious fanaticism. The problem is, if the US are behind the revolution yet again, unless the people wrest control, nothing good awaits them. For proof see Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc, etc, etc...

richwicks says

They don't spend anything on internal infrastructure, they don't solve problems, they create them.

Are you sure we don't spend on welfare and helping the poor ?

We lost two of LBJ's declared wars. One was Vietnam and the other was the Great Society or Welfare Society.

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ad says

Are you sure we don't spend on welfare and helping the poor ?

There's a lot of money allocated to it, but only a tiny fraction gets to the recipients. I knew a guy that was basically a bum who had "agoraphobia", in reality, he was just a lazy drunk, and sponged off the system. He got about $1,500 a month, and unlimited medical. He was pushed though dozens of psychiatrists that just put him on a ton of drugs because it's profitable for the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies. The reality is there's no effort to actually solve the problem, they exploit the problem.

ad says

We lost two of LBJ's declared wars. One was Vietnam and the other was the Great Society or Welfare Society.

Vietnam was mostly about making money for the MIC, there wasn't an earnest attempt to win that war. The same is true of Ukraine, the point is to drag it out as long as possible, because it makes a lot of money for select individuals, they don't care if a bunch of innocent people are killed. They're psychopaths.

There's absolutely no attempt to end poverty, quite the opposite. Make people dependent on the state, and you have a bunch of people who support the state, no matter WHAT it does. This idea of Universal Basic Income is absolutely stupid. Imagine a society where the unemployed are forced to build for a paycheck. Imagine what we'd create in 10 years time.

Look at all the homeless. SOME of them are the working poor. Imagine if you gave them the ability to make lumber, nails, and to build with it and gave them a plot of land. People can easily be put to work. Making a building isn't hard, plumbing it and putting in electrical wiring IS hard, but it can be made plug and play to do.

richwicks says

There's absolutely no attempt to end poverty, quite the opposite. Make people dependent on the state, and you have a bunch of people who support the state, no matter WHAT it does.

Antifa / Woke statists in charge of the Biden Admin are what are created this welfare state based upon the Cloward Piven Strategy.

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richwicks says

Look at all the homeless. SOME of them are the working poor. Imagine if you gave them the ability to make lumber, nails, and to build with it and gave them a plot of land. People can easily be put to work. Making a building isn't hard, plumbing it and putting in electrical wiring IS hard, but it can be made plug and play to do.

Yeah boy, need more programs like Habitat for Humanity.

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ad says

Yeah boy, need more programs like Habitat for Humanity.

Yeah, nothing wrong with learning some carpentry skills.

I swear, I think it's in the human genome to build stuff. I bet most hopeless unhappy people can find some joy in life by just creating something. I think vocational education should be promoted more.

Not a huge fan of Carter but I have a hell of a lot more respect for him that George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden - they're just outright useless criminals.

If we're going to post about Iran, can we at least use Iranian sources, not US government plants. This is the same propaganda you guys don't like being promoted about Ukraine/Russia...

https://govtribe.com/vendors/masih-alinejad-7dek1
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/01/06/u-s-media-outlets-fail-to-disclose-u-s-government-ties-of-iranian-journalist-echoing-trump-talking-points/

Patrick says

White House squatters are concerned Russia might derail their coup in Iran. The pot calling the kettle black...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-believes-russia-advising-iran-stamping-out-protests

richwicks says

ad says

Yeah boy, need more programs like Habitat for Humanity.

Yeah, nothing wrong with learning some carpentry skills.

I swear, I think it's in the human genome to build stuff. I bet most hopeless unhappy people can find some joy in life by just creating something. I think vocational education should be promoted more.

Not a huge fan of Carter but I have a hell of a lot more respect for him that George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden - they're just outright useless criminals.

Agreed

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2022/11/15/in-horrific-move-irans-parliament-votes-to-execute-15000-protestors-to-teach-hard-lesson-n659173

Interesting how the media has stopped talking about Biden's undoing of Trump's sanctions on Iran's government, and how Biden is releasing $billions to go to Teheran.

And just like that nobody is talking about Iran anymore, radio silence from the leftioids because orange man bad!

Nothing to do with Trump. US is a failing imperialist country that has over-extended it's false flags. They're too busy doing damage control in Poland right now to worry about taking down Iran.

Color revolution!

Another hit piece on Iran from the mainstream propaganda networks. In the Middle East, the boy who cried WMD is alive and well, and has a large, stupid, and sympathetic Western following...
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/disingenuous-reporting-on-iran-executions-by-western-media/

NuttBoxer says

Nothing to do with Trump

But everything to do with protecting Biden. The media now wants to memory hole all the enabling that Obama and Biden did for Iran by actually funding the Iranian governmrnt to the tune of $billions.

Patrick says

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2022/11/15/in-horrific-move-irans-parliament-votes-to-execute-15000-protestors-to-teach-hard-lesson-n659173

I'll bet both my kidneys this is just more propaganda.

There was an attempted CIA coup of Iran a few years ago. It all ended abruptly when the "new flag" was unfurled, it was the same flag as was flown when the Shah was running the country.

This is just another coup, we get propaganda CONSTANTLY about Iran. Iran has been "months away from a nuclear bomb" since 1982. Seriously, that is what our government has been claiming the entire time.

richwicks says

Patrick says

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2022/11/15/in-horrific-move-irans-parliament-votes-to-execute-15000-protestors-to-teach-hard-lesson-n659173

I'll bet both my kidneys this is just more propaganda.

There was an attempted CIA coup of Iran a few years ago. It all ended abruptly when the "new flag" was unfurled, it was the same flag as was flown when the Shah was running the country.

This is just another coup, we get propaganda CONSTANTLY about Iran. Iran has been "months away from a nuclear bomb" since 1982. Seriously, that is what our government has been claiming the entire time.

LEAVE THE KIND AND MERCIFUL AYATOLLAH AND ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY GUARDS ALONE!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!

Eric Holder says

LEAVE THE KIND AND MERCIFUL AYATOLLAH AND ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY GUARDS ALONE!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!

Trading one bad government for another doesn't do anything.

None of this stupid shit with Iran would be happening if the US didn't overthrow Iran's government in 1953 with Operation Ajax and installing the Shah.

The reason that the Iranian Revolution targeted and took over the US embassy was in revenge, because that's where Operation Ajax was planned. Everybody in an embassy is just a fucking spy anyhow and there's no lower low life than a spy.

I know the history and don't have to embarrass myself by constructing stupid straw-men. Everybody should know the history, it's not hard, it's just not ever taught in skool or the "news" media.

The US just tried to recently overthrow Iran's government, that I know for certain. I don't yet know what is going on now, but given what a bunch of stupid fucking assholes the Neocons are, I suspect what's going on now is an astro-turf movement.

All I want my government to do, is stop spending money making things worse. That's ALL they have done for the last 20 years, exclusively. How has anything the US done in the last 2 decades benefited anybody other than weapons manufacturers? When are we going to get rid of these stupid fucking assholes controlling our foreign policy? They couldn't be worse if they were agents working to intentionally destroy and isolate the United States.

https://www.ntd.com/world-soccer-union-shocked-as-iranian-player-risks-execution-amid-ongoing-protests_888838.html

Eric Holder says

we get propaganda CONSTANTLY about Iran. Iran has been "months away from a nuclear bomb" since 1982. Seriously, that is what our government has been claiming the entire time.

LEAVE THE KIND AND MERCIFUL AYATOLLAH AND ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY GUARDS ALONE!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!! RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!

Funny, if you look on antiwar.com they recently linked an article about this very subject. Iran hasn't attempted nuclear production for some time now, but don't try to tell that to the Neo-con warhawks on patnet.