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mell says

I don't think it has to be big, it's a declining standard of living like the boiling frog. People may take it for a while, esp. since the deadbeats can get almost anything for free these days, and the standard of living hasn't declined enough since the Trump golden years. But agreed on rising tensions in general, Europe and US.

It has been slow. Decline started in 1913, over a hundred years ago. Why has it dragged out longer? We print the reserve currency. That's the only reason. '08 started back in the early 2000's. Regardless of how slow it starts, the end is always quick and for many, unexpected. Given the amount of leverage we've created with this one, implosion will be spectacular.

Obviously I missed my timeline here, but I still may be closest of any patnetter.

https://zerohedge.com/markets/something-just-snapped-consumers-panic-search-pawn-shop-near-me

Over 400,000 jobs created last month.

Along with record number of people quitting and credit card debt going sky high. I trust government job numbers as much as I trust Hunter Biden to watch my coke.

If it fails it fails. Is even half the population even productive at this point? CA takers passed makers a few years ago.

NuttBoxer says

Along with record number of people quitting and credit card debt going sky high. I trust government job numbers as much as I trust Hunter Biden to watch my coke.

I agree with the Hunter comment. But you're in CA or basically East CA in Yuma. The rest of the country is fine. You're witnessing the collapse of CA, not the United States. CA would be the 5th largest country on the planet as a stand alone. It's going to seem dire when you're living it. I did in IL for about 10-15 years.

At some point even the richest of the rich aren't going to want to be there. Once the real exodus is done CA is toast. The tax revenue will plummet. We're talking 30-50% of state income taxes and other fees. I know you guys love it out there, but it's only going to get worse. Not a little. A lot.

Shaman says

Well Russia cut off the gas totally now so Europe is fucked unless Biden and the WEF/EU agree to drop sanctions.

Aaaaand here we are next summer and gas pricise in Europe are lower than prior to the Soviet aggression. No sanctions dropped in meantime.

Uncle Joe (Stalin) was right: nobody is irreplaceable. Especially if your main product is something as crude and unsofisticated as, well, crude oil and natural gas.

Eric Holder says

Aaaaand here we are next summer and gas pricise in Europe are lower than prior to the Soviet aggression. No sanctions dropped in meantime.

How are they cheaper? Though some manipulation in the commodities markets?

It's the WEST that breaks supply and demand rules. It's the WEST that now ignores capitalism and Austrian economics. Supply / Cost / Demand are artificially disconnected. This will just lead to shortages in time.

richwicks says

How are they cheaper?

Literally. More supply, more export routes. Cheaper. Fact. No amount of reeeee can change that.

I know, it's unfair to the accolytes of Soviet Inevitabilty*, but real life has this habit of gut-checking ideas.

*)The idea of Soviet Inevitability is that since Soviets always win the best everybody else can do is surrender quickly and on somewhat less horrible terms.

NuttBoxer says

Funny you bring up mis-labeling. If you read into the case more you'd find the FDA sprays all meat with non-organic chemicals, and it's never labeled anywhere. I'm actually looking for a new source of local meat because my current CSA will only guarantee no FDA if I buy whole animal.

Same boat here. Every place I move to, I try to find local farmers that optimally sell by the cut or, worst case, by the quarter. I've seen what good meat does for a body. My son is growing like a weed - he eats 1-2 lbs of meat a day.

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Same boat here. Every place I move to, I try to find local farmers that optimally sell by the cut or, worst case, by the quarter. I've seen what good meat does for a body. My son is growing like a weed - he eats 1-2 lbs of meat a day.

My wife was moving away from a lot of animal products, but noticed some health issues. Now that she's eating more meat, and drinking bone broth daily, she has more energy, sleeps better, and hair and nails have improved.

Still using my same CSA farmer. His FDA processing facility only sprays citric acid. And most important test, we always feel great eating meat from his farm.