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Might I remind you science doesn't always get it right

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21507989/

So what's worse? The symptoms or the "cure". Depends on the person. It would be one thing if these shots reduce transmission substantially but the data is inconclusive. I'll agree they reduce (or worse yet mask) symptoms, making the spread more probable not less.

For as bad as this has been it was never as bad as initial projections believed it could have been

NuttBoxer says

Smoking over edibles because your body absorbs it much better. To get the same amount of CBD in your body through edibles requires ingesting a dangerous amount, which can cause liver issues.

Liver can recover. Lungs can't for the most part if we're talking specific organs. I'll eat it 10 out of 10 times and not smoke it. You can do it the way you want to, but smoking is categorically worse for you. This is coming from a former cig smoker. Outside of a cigar, I'm done smoking anything. It's awful for you.

WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

Smoking over edibles because your body absorbs it much better. To get the same amount of CBD in your body through edibles requires ingesting a dangerous amount, which can cause liver issues.

Liver can recover. Lungs can't for the most part if we're talking specific organs. I'll eat it 10 out of 10 times and not smoke it. You can do it the way you want to, but smoking is categorically worse for you. This is coming from a former cig smoker. Outside of a cigar, I'm done smoking anything. It's awful for you.

I'd agree though I'd say it is possible to inhale extremely cleanly with good preparation and the right devices. In general lungs were never designed to inhale, smoke, or nebulize vapor/smoke of any sort, so the lung function reduces slightly over time even if you are extremely careful. However smoking 2-3 cigarettes/cigars , joints or whatever per week is such a small amount that simply living in an air-polluted area may equal to the same amount. I wouldn't worry either way but I would definitely not inhale anything other than air into the lungs on a daily basis. Whatever floats your boat

WookieMan says

Lungs can't for the most part if we're talking specific organs.

Though I don't have the link on hand, when non-specific adult stem cell therapy is being administered, meaning IV dripping one's own extracted stem cells (from either the bone marrow or fatty tissue), the first organ system which picks 'em up are the lungs. And that's because the lungs need the most rejuvenation over time, even as an anti-aging program over let's say the liver or kidneys.

Lungs are the weakest organ system, unless weak genetics determines that it's the heart or something else first.

theoakman says

the whole mRNA is a game changer mantra is ridiculous.

mRNA is the scariest thing I've ever heard about, in terms of mainstream adoption w/ little oversight or critical review.

To quote myself ...

https://patrick.net/post/1345087#comment-1841537

"The mRNA is a stealth bomber. It's the only thing I've ever heard of which can by-pass a person's restriction enzymes which are critical to prevent one's food from contaminating oneself."

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

I am referring to smoking the vegetative matter

So am I. It's the most natural form of cannabis. The first study you linked to uses cigarettes, what bongs and bubblers(I use a bubbler). It mentions the release of toxic gasses by the particles, but if those particles are organic, filtered through water, and absent butane, what is the source of the toxins?

Have you looked at absorption rates via ingestion vs smoking, and the dangers too much CBD can pose to the liver?

WookieMan says

Liver can recover. Lungs can't for the most part if we're talking specific organs. I'll eat it 10 out of 10 times and not smoke it. You can do it the way you want to, but smoking is categorically worse for you. This is coming from a former cig smoker. Outside of a cigar, I'm done smoking anything. It's awful for you.

All organs have a limit of abuse, the liver is not an exception. You can always ingest safe quantities, you just won't get much of a benefit compared to if you smoked.

Look again at all the specifics of how I smoke, and see if there's still a vector for harm. I can understand your concern given your past, but cannabis use should be fundamentally different from cigarettes in so many ways, starting with you growing the plant yourself. Things may have changed, but last time I checked the people in my market only care about profits, organic and cannabis for medicine are the last thing on their minds.

Something else to keep in mind, cannabis is inhaled, and exhaled through the mouth, at least I don't exhale through my nose. The smoke sits at the entrance to the throat and lungs, not deep down. The point is to get it into the blood stream, not to coat your entire lung with it. Maybe this is a nitpick. But what's not is the lack of study of cannabis in general. How many studies have used the method of smoking I prescribe? How many are looking at cannabis alone, and throwing tobacco cigarettes completely to the side, as the comparison is not even close after you factor in all the chemicals that go into commercial cigarettes, starting with the filter.

It really seems like you guys aren't very far from pulling out the frying pan stories. Cannabis is NOT a drug, and it's NOT tobacco. Measure it on it's own merits, don't make alarmist comparisons bundling it with cigarettes.

NuttBoxer says

Something else to keep in mind, cannabis is inhaled, and exhaled through the mouth, at least I don't exhale through my nose. The smoke sits at the entrance to the throat and lungs, not deep down. The point is to get it into the blood stream, not to coat your entire lung with it. Maybe this is a nitpick. But what's not is the lack of study of cannabis in general. How many studies have used the method of smoking I prescribe? How many are looking at cannabis alone, and throwing tobacco cigarettes completely to the side, as the comparison is not even close after you factor in all the chemicals that go into commercial cigarettes, starting with the filter.

It really seems like you guys aren't very far from pulling out the frying pan stories. Cannabis is NOT a drug, and it's NOT tobacco. Measure it on it's own merits, don't make alarmist comparisons bundling it with cigarettes.

How you smoke it definitely affects the uptake into the lungs, cigar smokers usually use the same technique, not inhaling, keeping most of the action in the front of the mouth.