patrick.net

Wow. Crazy move by the real life Tony Stark.

Still needs some allies on the board to really clean house.

Pfft - if you think censorship is going to end on Twitter just because Musk has a 10% stake in it, you're wrong.

Twitter went nowhere UNTIL it started censoring Trump. The purpose of these companies is to do censorship, not to allow communication or share knowledge. It's to limit it.

You had groups comparing what shots their kids had and what ailments they had - do you think parents were lying about their experiences? This stuff isn't allowed to be discussed, because it's pretty likely vaccines do in some cases cause diseases. Peanut allergy is (credibly) thought to be caused by vaccines that use peanut oil in them. Anybody know anybody that had a peanut allergy when you were kids? It was unheard of when I was a kid, that was 50 years ago.

Goran_K says

Wow. Crazy move by the real life Tony Stark.

Still needs some allies on the board to really clean house.

I see his statement that he’s going to “be a silent partner” as misdirection. If the Left sees his Twitter stake as an imminent threat to their control of the discussion, they’ll pull out all the stops and go batshit crazy and fuck everything up. He said that to calm the leftists and not challenge them directly. What will be interesting to see are the changes that come to the board. I’ll bet Musk engineers some resignations and some appointments of friends. Then when the board composition is ready, Elon can really start making the pro-freedom changes that need to be made there. With Jack Dorsey out of the way, this is like any other publicly traded corporation, it can be changed from within by shareholder pressure. The CEO can be fired by a board that is newly composed of liberals instead of leftists. The employees can be internally weeded out. This can happen rather silently as well. And then they all wake up one day and Twitter is totally changed. That’s what I think is going to happen.

The latest news on peanut allergies was a theory I read that goes like this: if a baby gets exposed to a protein with allergic potential in a through the skin type way, and that happens BEFORE they are exposed by eating it, they’ve got a chance to develop an allergy.
Baby wipes are part of the problem because the soap on them renders their tender skin semi-permeable. Mom is making PB&J sandwiches for the other kids and hears the baby cry. She stops, doesn’t wash her hands (which have small amounts of peanut on them) and changes the baby. In that process she renders Junior’s butt skin permeable and then slaps on some peanut residue. His immune system recognizes the peanut protein as an invader and makes antibodies. The next time Junior gets exposed, he’s allergic.

Shaman says

She stops, doesn’t wash her hands (which have small amounts of peanut on them) and changes the baby. In that process she renders Junior’s butt skin permeable and then slaps on some peanut residue. His immune system recognizes the peanut protein as an invader and makes antibodies. The next time Junior gets exposed, he’s allergic.

I'm not drawing a conclusion here, but they are LITERALLY using peanut oil to inject into people.

https://www.creative-diagnostics.com/peanut-oil-vaccine-adjuvant.htm?source=patrick.net

Think that could contaminate a child's immune system?

Engh, whatever. I don't particularly care about this, by I have a friend with 2 small children that obsesses about it - his kid has allergies to peanuts - and it's his FIRST kid - milk too - which I guess isn't so unusual. Apparently I had the same allergy when I was tiny.

Anyhow, the vaccine question is impossible to rationally discuss, because the media has defined an "anti-vaxxer" to be somebody that doesn't know science, has done zero research, and doesn't understand basic biology. I literally can't talk about this with most people because of this. When I found out that peanut oil was being used as an adjuvant I went from dismissing it to thinking "that's got to be BS" - but it's not. It's entirely credible that INJECTING it into a person's system could cause a fierce immune reaction, that's the whole purpose of the adjuvant anyhow.

Shaman says

The employees can be internally weeded out. This can happen rather silently as well. And then they all wake up one day and Twitter is totally changed. That’s what I think is going to happen.

That is my hope.

As the single largest share-holder, Musk will be able to throw his weight around.

All Musk really needs to do is make Twitter's algorithm open sourced so the whole world can see the type of censorship, shadow banning and other bullshit the Groomers and Commies have been implementing against Conservatives the past few years. Still amazing to see that Trump is banned from Twitter but the Taliban, Ayatollahs and Putin are still able to post in good standing.

If you are a Libertarian or Conservative and against the stifling Liberal group-think POV shoved down our throats in every public space. Musk is one of our best and most powerful allies. The dude walks the walk.

socal2 says

If you are a Libertarian or Conservative and against the stifling Liberal group-think POV shoved down our throats in every public space. Musk is one of our best and most powerful allies. The dude walks the walk.

He's PT Barnum that depends on government subsidies and lives off from the taxpayer. He's no libertarian.

richwicks says

He's PT Barnum that depends on government subsidies and lives off from the taxpayer. He's no libertarian.

This is such an ignorant take. You might want to read up a bit more.

Tesla got the same Federal subsidies that every other US car maker was eligible for to make EV's. At the end of the day, Tesla got a much much smaller subsidy or bailout than GM got from the Federal Government, but Tesla paid it back early with interest.

Again - every US car maker is eligible for the EV subsidies that Tesla got.

Same deal with SPACEX but even at a much bigger scale. SPACEX hasn't gotten a fraction of US funding as the big Space/Defense contractors like Northrup Grumman or Boeing has gotten over the years. But SPACEX is already running circles around these big defense contractors at a fraction of the cost.

socal2 says

richwicks says

He's PT Barnum that depends on government subsidies and lives off from the taxpayer. He's no libertarian.

This is such an ignorant take. You might want to read up a bit more.

Tesla got the same Federal subsidies that every other US car maker was eligible for to make EV's.

Tesla wasn't created by Musk. He took it over and forced the original founders out and he's re-written history to make it appear he was the founder.

We have no idea what he gets, the government fucking lies about EVERYTHING if you haven't realized it yet. They pick winners and losers. Amazon controls all the records of all the intelligence agencies now - so they're never going out of business. That's "capitalism" for you.

socal2 says

Again - every US car maker is eligible for the EV subsidies that Tesla got.

There should be no subsidies at all, period. In the commodity space the reason a product is more expensive than another product, is that the raw energy needed to construct it is more. The cost is directly proportional to the energy it takes to make it. The reason EVs are expensive is because MASSIVE amounts of energy need to be used to mine the rare earths to make the batteries. They don't make any economic sense at all. They do not reduce pollution, they just move it elsewhere, they aren't 0 emission vehicles.

socal2 says

Same deal with SPACEX but even at a much bigger scale. SPACEX hasn't gotten a fraction of US funding as the big Space/Defense contractors like Northrup Grumman or Boeing has gotten over the years. But SPACEX is already running circles around these big defense contractors at a fraction of the cost.

We really don't know because all military expenditures are bullshit and part of national security.

Boeing should have basically gone bankrupt when two of their planes crashed because of defective software design - they didn't, of course, because they are really defacto arms of the US government.

We are not in a capitalist system, at all.

richwicks says

We have no idea what he gets, the government fucking lies about EVERYTHING if you haven't realized it yet.

You admit you don't really know if Musk depends on subsidies and the US taxpayer, but you are still willing to basically call Musk a grifter? Must be a nice way to argue when you can simply say our entire reality is a lie and there are no verifiable truths?

The fact that Biden and the Democrats are going out of their way to snub Musk and Tesla and harassing him with the SEC doesn't give you pause?

Musk has been front and center criticizing California's crazy regulatory climate and COVID lockdowns. Musk put his money where his mouth is and moved his HQ's to Texas. Musk is not woke, or beholden to anyone and is now going after the Progressive's greatest tool (Twitter) they use to set the narrative and censor other opposing views. Musk even said that the US needs to increase our oil production in the near-term to handle the geopolitical shocks we are facing.

What more can you ask for?

I am a fan of Elon. Out of all the billionaire personalities out there (Gates, Bezos, Zuck, Bloomberg), he seems the most “normal” and least dangerous.

Side note: I own a Model 3 and love it.

socal2 says

richwicks says

We have no idea what he gets, the government fucking lies about EVERYTHING if you haven't realized it yet.

You admit you don't really know if Musk depends on subsidies and the US taxpayer, but you are still willing to basically call Musk a grifter?

I'm saying it's more than a little suspicious that Tesla has a higher market cap than all of the largest auto-manufacturers in the WORLD do.

The hyperloop concept has been around since 1800 something, and was abandoned for a reason.

The boring tunnel idea he had just moves roads underground, it literally fixes nothing, it's a stupid idea.

He spend an inordinate amount of money for Solar City - a company that proved that solar electricity isn't yet a viable alternative to conventional energy even with all the ridiculous restrictions on plants here.

socal2 says

Must be a nice way to argue when you can simply say our entire reality is a lie and there are no verifiable truths?

I'm just giving my opinion on him. Something smells about Musk, and no pun intended. There are constructs in Silicon Valley. Just like Jeffrey Epstein wasn't really a billionaire but was just collecting intelligence, something is weird about Musk too.

Time will reveal him if there's anything to reveal. A lot of the ideas he promotes shows a PROFOUND lack of engineering and scientific knowledge. He reminds me of Steve Jobs who was another "genius" who was anything but - he was just a ruthless businessman.

I don’t think Musk is a “genius” but he does get things done. He basically revamped the US space program single handedly, made electric cars cool again, and is going to allow internet access from basically anywhere on the globe.

The other billionaires are basically trying to take away your gun rights, sell your personal info, and practicing eugenics on your kids. Musk ain’t that bad.

I agree. I don't see any good reason to object to Musk yet.

Goran_K says

I don’t think Musk is a “genius” but he does get things done. He basically revamped the US space program single handedly, made electric cars cool again, and is going to allow internet access from basically anywhere on the globe.

The other billionaires are basically trying to take away your gun rights, sell your personal info, and practicing eugenics on your kids. Musk ain’t that bad.

15 years ago Google did no evil, and we believed them. Takes a few years to see what is behind the mask.

I'd have to say in my opinion the space program is pretty pointless - we really don't do anything on the ISS, it's all just PR nonsense. Also Starlink has one problem it requires a TON of energy to run and speeds are comparable to a DOCSIS modem. Might be better to have an electrical drone plane flying constantly as a "satellite" - having it swapped out 3-4 times in a 24 hour period with another. That could serve a small city. You'd have problems in storm conditions though.

I don't understand this obsession with space to be entirely honest. Let's say a nation does establish some research colony on the moon - so what? So people go to live in a tiny little prison for 6 months to a year at a time. Great. It was all neat when I was, say, 5 years old watching Space 1999 on the TV, I have quite a more realistic point of view today. Unless there's a scarce resource on the moon that can be mined at a cheaper cost than it would take to mine it on Earth - going to the moon is pointless.

richwicks says

Goran_K says

I don’t think Musk is a “genius” but he does get things done. He basically revamped the US space program single handedly, made electric cars cool again, and is going to allow internet access from basically anywhere on the globe.

The other billionaires are basically trying to take away your gun rights, sell your personal info, and practicing eugenics on your kids. Musk ain’t that bad.

15 years ago Google did no evil, and we believed them. Takes a few years to see what is behind the mask.

I'd have to say in my opinion the space program is pretty pointless - we really don't do anything on the ISS, it's all just PR nonsense. Also Starlink has one problem it requires a TON of energy to run and speeds are comparable to a DOCSIS modem. Might be better to have an electrical drone plane flying constantly as a "satellite" - having it swapped out 3-4 times in a 24 hour period...

Well what’s the trouble in giving the guy a pass until he starts doing evil billionaire shit?

As for space, it’s a personal dream of Musk to create a multi-planet society. The benefit? Short term, the technologies developed which will include automated construction modules, advances in AI, material sciences, etc. Just like the lunar program at NASA created many technologies we still use today.

The long term benefits? Immeasurable. Musk may terraform Mars creating another livable biosphere friendly to human life. Earth is great. But one lunatic with a nuclear weapon, and this whole place becomes an irradiated waste land. Or maybe an asteroid wipes us out. Who knows?

For all the people that say “but Musk should be saving Earth”. Sure, why don’t those people use their own money and resources and get right on that? It seems like the people most critical of Musk and his plans are trying to impose their ideology on Musk instead of pursuing their own dream themselves.

Goran_K says

For all the people that say “but Musk should be saving Earth”. Sure, why don’t those people use their own money and resources and get right on that?

Not to mention Musk is doing plenty to help the planet by making EV's a viable market and massively improving battery storage technology.

Goran_K says

Well what’s the trouble in giving the guy a pass until he starts doing evil billionaire shit?

He's already doing evil shit. Teslas, for example, are made not to be user serviceable. They are entirely proprietary.

Goran_K says

The long term benefits? Immeasurable. Musk may terraform Mars creating another livable biosphere friendly to human life. Earth is great. But one lunatic with a nuclear weapon, and this whole place becomes an irradiated waste land. Or maybe an asteroid wipes us out. Who knows?

Let's say you could terraform Mars tomorrow by snapping your fingers. Here's what you'd actually get once humans were settled there.

You'd end up with a race of human beings that grew up in 1/3rd gravity who wouldn't be compatible with Earth gravity. You'd have a whole new race in a matter of just a few generations.

I've been reading up in advances in neural networks. It was once thought humans were entirely digital, we're not - we're a combination of analog and digital. With this knowledge, it's conceivable we can make a machine analog to a human mind. The problem with doing this is that if this is done, it will become the singularity - i.e. make a mind that can understand how to build itself, and it can improve itself. As a result it does, and it constantly gains intellect, until it's a perfect intellect. There's this interesting company that is using NAND flash memory to simulate neural networks, instead of storing a 0 or 1 is can store between a 0 and a 1 - basically, it uses V=IR to do multiplication where R is proportional to the charge on the gate, and with a constant current, the voltage gives you the multiplication of the resistance and current. It's analog so it's no precise, there's some variation in exactly how much current you're feeding it, but it's "generally" right - close enough.

If we try to build AIs, general AIs to create a livable off planet location, they will rapidly combine, and just end up being a god - we'll be pets, at best. I doubt we'll become a nuisance though, an AI wouldn't have any of our restrictions, and it's likely to just leave the planet, and MAYBE keep us as treasured pets. Musk has a 1950's idea of space travel to me and the "adventure" that would be. It would be nothing like the comic books or films. It's all kinds of childish to me now that I know more.

WTF is going on. When I hopped on YouTube last night there was a supposed "livestream" from ARK Investment (Cathie Wood) interviewing Elon and Jack! (yes, Twitter & Square Jack) about crypto. Looks like the stream is still (?) going. Or is it on an infinite loop? If so, I hope some sues Utube for false advertising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf54P1-77yc

Revolver News - Article written just before Elon's buy of Twitter:

Creating an alternative platform could be interesting, though several of these exist already. Twitter remains, by Elon’s own admission, the de facto public town square. Despite its severe censorship, it is still the only major digital public space where anonymous accounts can interact with celebrities, journalists and business titans (including Elon), where world leaders engage in spirited public diplomacy, and where dominant cultural and political narratives incubate and spread.

The most exciting possibility is therefore the most obvious one: Musk should simply buy a controlling stake in Twitter itself. He could certainly afford it. At $31 billion, Twitter’s market cap is less than 15 percent of Musk’s current net worth. Even if one regards Twitter stock as entirely worthless, Musk could theoretically buy a controlling stake in it and still be the world’s richest man by fifty billion dollars, and free speech would be restored to the “land of the free.”

But in practice, it’s not that easy. In fact, one would be hard pressed to imagine a project more dangerous and difficult than restoring free speech to a major tech platform like Twitter. At the same time, it’s hard to imagine a more worthwhile project. Restoring genuine free speech would do more for patriotic Americans than the GOP taking back the White House in 2024, and it would pose a greater threat to the ruling Regime than anything Russia, China, or Iran might plausibly do.

Free speech online is what enabled the Trump revolution in 2016. If the Internet had been as free in 2020 as it was four years before, Trump would have cruised to reelection. Massive censorship and suppression are the tools needed to prop up Covid tyranny, the Ukraine war fever, and the idea that Lia Thomas is a “woman.” America’s decrepit and illegitimate ruling class intuitively understand this: Absolute freedom of speech, or even the speech norms that prevailed a mere decade ago, would instantly cause the American regime as we know it to crumble.

https://www.revolver.news/2022/04/elon-musk-buy-twitter-free-speech-tech-censorship-american-regime-war/?source=patrick.net

I thought this didn't pass the sniff test...
Fake Cathie Wood Video Scamming Users
A YouTube channel started livestreaming a video of ARK Invest CEO Cathie Wood talking about cryptocurrencies in the early hours of Friday. Also included in the video were Tesla CEO Elon Musk and Block CEO Jack Dorsey. ... At the time of writing, there have been over 150 transactions on both wallets provided with about $400K already siphoned off unsuspecting investors.
Looks like its running under an Elon Musk account now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3QzyD9GZ6k

Patrick says

I agree. I don't see any good reason to object to Musk yet.

Do u think 5G is safe? He's putting up low orbit 5G sats. Just curious. 5G danger is now on the NIH.gov site.

Mars is probably a mistake. There’s nothing there we can’t get elsewhere, there’s hardly any atmosphere, little water, and the soil is extensively contaminated with heavy metals and chromium. You can’t grow anything in it fit for human consumption. So you’d have to import all your soil and that would be prohibitively expensive. Mars is a trap. The next steps should be to establish a Moon base and start mining local asteroids for mineral, carbon, and water. It’s all worth trillions up there more than it would be down here. And in raw metal value, they’ve already found asteroids fairly near us that have 40 trillion in precious metals. Space is the next big boom, and there won’t be an end to that one.

Shaman says

Mars is probably a mistake. There’s nothing there we can’t get elsewhere, there’s hardly any atmosphere, little water, and the soil is extensively contaminated with heavy metals and chromium. You can’t grow anything in it fit for human consumption. So you’d have to import all your soil and that would be prohibitively expensive. Mars is a trap. The next steps should be to establish a Moon base and start mining local asteroids for mineral, carbon, and water.

Yeah - but if he was just targeting the moon or local asteroids, Musk would have no incentive to invent a massive interplanetary rocket like he is making with Starship.

Having such a big massive goal of Mars is driving innovation like I haven't seen in my entire lifetime.

socal2 says

Shaman says

Mars is probably a mistake. There’s nothing there we can’t get elsewhere, there’s hardly any atmosphere, little water, and the soil is extensively contaminated with heavy metals and chromium. You can’t grow anything in it fit for human consumption. So you’d have to import all your soil and that would be prohibitively expensive. Mars is a trap. The next steps should be to establish a Moon base and start mining local asteroids for mineral, carbon, and water.

Yeah - but if he was just targeting the moon or local asteroids, Musk would have no incentive to invent a massive interplanetary rocket like he is making with Starship.

Having such a big massive goal of Mars is driving innovation like I haven't seen in my entire lifetime.

Ain’t that the truth. I got to see the return of the first boosters in real life (I was about 20 miles away). It was like something out of Star Wars seeing them jet back from the upper atmosphere and land, totally automated, back on ground. That’s when I jumped on the Elon train.

Asteroids, not planets, will be the shit.

Why fight G-force? Many asteroids are heavily water ice, others full of Precious Metals.

Sci-Fi has prepped people for the wrong thing. It'll be asteroids and low G satellites.

AmericanKulak says

Many asteroids are heavily water ice, others full of Precious Metals.

I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.

Asteroids are mainly big balls of dust, that are loosely held together by a gravitational field. Why it's said "oh, they are filled with X" I have no idea. They are probably all light elements but who knows? I know it's speculated that gold is largely from asteroid bombardment, but that might be complete BS as well. The idea is that because it's so dense, that all the gold that was here when the Earth formed is in the core. Well, wouldn't uranium and lead be as well then?

richwicks says

AmericanKulak says

Many asteroids are heavily water ice, others full of Precious Metals.

I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.

Asteroids are mainly big balls of dust, that are loosely held together by a gravitational field. Why it's said "oh, they are filled with X" I have no idea. They are probably all light elements but who knows? I know it's speculated that gold is largely from asteroid bombardment, but that might be complete BS as well. The idea is that because it's so dense, that all the gold that was here when the Earth formed is in the core. Well, wouldn't uranium and lead be as well then?

The most common method is infrared spectroscopy. Different "minerals" absorb different wavelengths of light differently. Based on the surface composition, and a few rotational scans, you can come up with a fairly accurate spectra of minerals compared to what we would expect on Earth. No it's not 100% accurate because the surface could have a thin layer of say lead, but underneath could be just a bunch of water and ice. you never know until you actually get out to the asteroid and dig into it. They are beginning to use radar now which gives you a slightly more accurate surface picture as well.

Good thing is Elon is already working on automated mining robots that will do exploratory digs on various asteroids. See? Elon rocks right?

Musk will also have a seat at the board and is looking forward to making "significant improvements" at Twitter.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-to-join-twitters-board-of-directors.html?source=patrick.net

He should move fast and the first thing he should get done is reinstating Trump and all of the doctors who questioned COVID policies.

socal2 says

Musk will also have a seat at the board and is looking forward to making "significant improvements" at Twitter.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-to-join-twitters-board-of-directors.html?source=patrick.net

He should move fast and the first thing he should get done is reinstating Trump and all of the doctors who questioned COVID policies.

I can't wait for Trump's return tweet.

Fuck Twitter, I dont use social media. It'a a shit show with face robot accounts all over the place, pretend reality.

I bet Musk is about to find out that 1/2 of twitter are government propagandists and PR trolls. I bet he has no idea how the company is funded either. If he reforms Twitter, it will crater because I think over 50% of the users, are fake and if there's a crackdown on that, the company will shrivel.

It's a PR / propaganda site and censorship is being done at the behest of some backroom deals. If those deals are ended, the money will stop flowing.

richwicks says

I bet Musk is about to find out that 1/2 of twitter are government propagandists and PR trolls. I bet he has no idea how the company is funded either. If he reforms Twitter, it will crater because I think over 50% of the users, are fake and if there's a crackdown on that, the company will shrivel.

Yeah - but if he gets people like Trump reinstated, it will bring back alot of Conservatives and Libertarians who have abandoned (or have been banned) from the site which will make up for some of the bot losses.

Like it or not. Twitter drives alot of the narrative and public discussion. So we need to reform or nuke it and can't just ignore it.

Musk is the perfect person for this mission as he is crazy smart, not woke and has enough F-U money to make this happen.

socal2 says

Like it or not. Twitter drives alot of the narrative and public discussion. So we need to reform or nuke it and can't just ignore it.

Twitter is constantly brought up, but I've never seen any reason to use it. I'd disagree. The purpose of Twitter was to court celebrities and politicians as a platform for public relations, at their CORE was censorship, because it's public relations. It's to give politicians a place where they are protected and a place where celebrities are free of criticism. It's never been a news source.

Facebook is primarily for businesses to advertise without having to put up a website and they'll do what they have to do in order to give a good face on anybody that has a presence there.

socal2 says

Musk is the perfect person for this mission as he is crazy smart, not woke and has enough F-U money to make this happen.

I disagree with him being "smart", but we'll see. Time will tell. Some of his ideas were dead in the box, he just didn't do some simple calculations to find out if what he was pushing for made sense. He didn't check Queuing Theory for the "Boring company" (notice that's off the radar), and he didn't consult any geologists about the Hypertube. These were both dead on arrival. The Boring company especially, even if tunnels cost the same as highways, I think it would have been a close call on viability but you have all this other stuff to worry about - the structures over the tunnels, them filling with water, circulation of air, egresses to the surface. I remember the Big Dig in Boston. It... works... NOW, but that was WAY over budget and could have been handled much better than it was maybe.

My sister is a civil engineer, she was quite skeptical (but also appreciative) of the Big Dig in Boston, but she knew it was going to blow out budgets and have all sorts of problems.

Musk's claim to fame is Tesla, which isn't a good solution, it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies and electric cars may not be a very good idea at all and he's just displacing NASA and defense contractors, but we really don't know what the actual budget is, or how much is really being spent. Our government misleads other governments all the time. Remember in the 1970's the whole ESP bullshit thing and how the CIA was SUPPOSEDLY working on remote viewing and other garbage? It was just to mislead the Russians. The military buildup in the 1980's MIGHT have been fake just to goad Russia into overbuilding their military to bankrupt them. We already had enough ICBMs to destroy Russia, and the entire world before SDI.

Musk also has security clearance, is exempt from making misleading statements about Tesla's stock (remember he secured funding to bring Tesla private - TOTAL lie - no repercussions), I suspect he might be a front man. Not really running the company, but is the face of them. Zuckerberg is suspected to be a front man. That's why he can lie to Congress.

Anyhow, we'll see.

richwicks says

I always hear claims like this, but I have never seen any scientific data to support it.

Ice is one of the most common compounds in the solar system, esp. the outer solar system starting in the asteroid belt.

They can detect it from the offgassing of volatiles using infrared.

richwicks says

it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies and electric cars may not be a very good idea at all and he's just displacing NASA and defense contractors, but we really don't know what the actual budget is, or how much is really being spent.

Tax incentives juiced Tesla’s recent sales. But now those incentives are gone
In the U.S., for instance, buyers of a Tesla, or any other electric vehicle, could once get a whopping $7,500 rebate on their tax bill. The argument was that the subsidy helped get fuel-burning cars off the road, thereby reducing pollution.
But the U.S. credit began phasing out after Tesla sold 200,000 cars, dropping first to $3,750 on Jan. 1, 2019, then to $1,875 in July 1, 2019. Since Jan. 1 of 2020, U.S. Tesla buyers haven’t qualified for any tax credit.

Free The Bee
Hopefully that will be his first action upon taking a board seat...

richwicks says

it's just an over-priced electric car, which gets government subsidies

Once you’ve owned one, let us know if it’s over-priced.

By the way, no more government subsidies on Tesla for years now, and their sales haven’t slowed down. The wait for a new $115k starter Model X is over a year now. Apparently, others don’t think it’s over-priced.

Booger says

She can always quit you know. No one is forcing her to stay.