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Thread For Exposing Blatant Propaganda


               
2022 Mar 11, 9:40am   37,692 views  326 comments

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https://spectatorworld.com/topic/two-wars-ukraine-propaganda-social-media/?source=patrick.net


Ukraine and the war for your mind
The conflict on the ground isn’t the only one — there’s plenty of propaganda afoot too

March 11, 2022

Deterrence works. Russia’s nukes are the only thing keeping the US from full-out war in Ukraine just six months after retreating from Afghanistan. The unprecedented propaganda effort by Ukraine and its helpers in the American mass media to drag the US and NATO directly into the fight has failed — so far. But the struggle — the one for your mind space — is not over.

To understand what follows, you have to wipe away a lot of bull being slung your way. Insanity is not the only explanation for Putin’s actions of the past few weeks. From a Russian standpoint, he is carrying out a rational political-military strategy in Ukraine, seizing Russian-speaking territory such as Donbas, demilitarizing eastern Ukraine by force, and most of all creating a physical buffer zone between his country’s southern border and NATO. That zone may end at the Dnieper River with a loop around Odessa, or it may end at the Polish border, depending on how smoothly things go on the ground and on what level of “back away” message Putin wishes to send NATO.

It’s unlikely that Putin is making the first moves toward some greater conquest. All the bad takes saying “if we don’t stop Putin now, he’ll invade Moldova/Estonia/Poland/all Europe just like Hitler” ignores that the German military in World War Two had some 18 million men under arms. The Russian army today has 1.3 million, the best of which are going to be in Ukraine for a while.

Every war has its “is the juice worth the squeeze” question. Is what you can realistically hope to achieve worth the cost of getting it? For Putin, that means solving his border problem at the cost of maybe a few thousand men and another dollop of weak sanctions. He understood the needs of Europe meant sanctions would never harm sales of the fossil fuels which make up most Russian exports. But nyet to Paypal for you tovarishch! Putin could also look to history and see how decades of sanctions have not changed much in Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

Putin most importantly also knew NATO would not fight him on the ground for fear of starting a nuclear war. That is exactly what nukes are for — and is the history of the Cold War in a sentence. Having nukes allows a country to do certain things any way it wants because its actions stay below the threshold of risking atomic war. This is why the US could destroy Gaddafi and Saddam (no nukes) and why the US will never attack North Korea (nukes). Under US pressure, Ukraine in 1994 relinquished the nukes it inherited from the former Soviet Union, enabling the invasion here in 2022.

Being a nuclear superpower makes things easier; the US can fight all over Central America and the Middle East, and Russia in the ’Stans, Crimea and now Ukraine, and none of that is important enough for the other side to consider using nukes to stop it. It is not like America does not know how to step away from a fight which isn’t ours: Crimea, Chechnya, Rwanda, Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, initially Afghanistan ’79, even to a certain extent in Syria 2016. Putin knows that. Biden knows that. NATO knows that. Ukraine, however, still thinks it can change the game.

Ukraine knew on Day One it didn’t have enough men or weapons to defeat the Russians. Its only hope to remain a unified nation (it is easy to imagine a divided Ukraine, Western Zone and Russian Eastern Zone) is outside help. A no-fly zone, some airstrikes to blunt Russian advances. Maybe some of those Polish/NATO pilots planning to ferry F-16s to Ukraine stay to fly them in combat? Something, anything.

That’s why America is being blitzed with Ukrainian propaganda, and your brother-in-law is ready to head to Europe with his never-cleaned hunting rifle. The goal is to change public opinion such that a weak guy like Joe Biden starts to doubt himself. The goal is get Biden to take that Pentagon meeting laying out options for some limited bombing, or to listen to those analysts saying the US could set up a small no-fly zone on Ukraine’s western edge to facilitate humanitarian aid. Drop in some Special Forces. Something, anything.

The purpose of the propaganda is to get Biden to sign off on something hopefully small enough that it falls below the threshold of provoking a nuclear response. A risky and delicate tasking. The bad news is Ukrainian propaganda is working. A non-partisan 74 percent of Americans say NATO should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine. And that’s even as we are just getting started.

A quick propaganda recap. We’ve had the hero phase with the non-existent Ghost of Kyiv and the supermodels with guns. We’ve had the Russians-are-going-to-kill-us-all phase, with the faux threat of invasion to the West and the faux scare the Russians were going to create a Chernobyl-like nuclear accident by shelling a power plant. We are currently moving through the “not verifiable atrocities” phase. Alongside this is beefcake talk about Zelensky, the likes of which we haven’t seen since before the cancellations of Andrew Cuomo and Michael Avenatti. The fact-checking mania of the Covid era is in the dustbin of history as American media removes all the filters on pro-Ukrainian content.


The quality of the propaganda is not important (any scrap metal on snowy ground is breaking news of another Russian helo down, even if the metal has “Acme Junk Pile” written on it). The quantity is important, the attempt to overwhelm American mind space to the point where logic is shoved into the back corner. There is a growing cottage industry of “experts” explaining how to can go to war without going to THAT kind of war. Dissenting voices are few, and are often labeled as “Putin lovers,” with late night hosts hurling homophobic slurs at them like high school kids.

It all sounds silly when the effect of propaganda is to convince Americans higher gas prices are the cost of freedom, or booking an Airbnb they’ll never stay at will save Ukraine, or refusing Russian dressing on a salad. But it is deadly serious. There are two battles now playing out over Ukraine. The one on the ground — and the one on your social media seeking to drag America into the mud.

Only half a year after the sad ending in Afghanistan, it is stunning to watch America again contemplate going to war for some abstract purpose far removed from our own core interests. And this time it is the risk of a nuclear exchange to remind us of our mistake, not just an inglorious departure from Kabul.


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288   HeadSet   @   2025 Oct 14, 4:00pm  

MolotovCocktail says

HeadSet says


Notice there is no monuments built to commemorate the millions of Soviets or hundreds of thousands of American and British soldiers who died defeating the Nazis and liberating the camps.


There are in Russia. And some in East Germany. Big fuckers. 50 foot tall statues.

As part of the reunification agreement, Germany was supposed to protect and maintain them. But most have fallen to vandalism anyway. For obvious reasons, they weren't popular with East Germans.

Yes, but this only honors the Soviets and not the English and Americans, plus they were not put up by Jews. No grand thank you for liberating them.
289   RWSGFY   @   2025 Oct 15, 4:13pm  



290   Patrick   @   2025 Oct 15, 7:48pm  

Britain has invaded almost 90% of the world’s countries at some point.

Russia is minor league as aggressors go.
291   Ceffer   @   2025 Oct 15, 10:35pm  

If you consider 'The Crown' and all of its commonwealth and protectorates, they ARE the largest country in the world. They also wire much of the criminal world enterprises.

They like to keep the Hegelian shit going with all of their various proxies acting as distractions as if the proxies are cause and effect, in a perpetual round robin of misdirected blame, keeping the focus off their control grid in the City of London, but like said, under just about every pile of steaming shit you'll find the Brits (LOL and Jesuits).

WWI and WWII were their designer wars, of which they are very proud.
292   Ceffer   @   2025 Oct 15, 10:47pm  

Pentagon exorcises itself of Fake Newsters/propagandists and free roaming spies/confidence men/ disguised lobbyists. Why were they ever in there in the first place?

294   Ceffer   @   2025 Oct 17, 12:12am  

This demonstrates how monolithilically owned and corrupted the bulk of the MSM is.

295   Ceffer   @   2025 Oct 18, 1:23am  

"Facts play no role in
propaganda which is always to create an impression. It has to
one-sided systematic, sustained indoctrination that what the
Government, the media and political leaders are saying is the
truth. And it has to be pitched in such a manner that the
people feel that it is their thinking.
Thus, propaganda has to be directed at mass audiences where
its message will make its mark. "

John Coleman
296   AntiPanicanPlanTruster   @   2025 Oct 27, 9:02pm  

Tucker asserts that Putin is "The most popular leader in the world" and asserts it's only in the English-speaking and European areas where he is disliked, and Eastern Europe and the rest of the world LIKES Putin:



Actually, outside of India and a few SE Asian states, most of the world has a LOW opinion of Putin.

Poland has the LOWEST opinion of Putin with 98% negative. Hungary and Greece are also STRONGLY negative on Putin, over 70%.

South America is also net negative, the only outlier being Peru.

East Asia ex-China? Net Negative. Japan and South Korea are overwhelmingly negative.


297   Ceffer   @   2025 Oct 27, 10:13pm  



300   MolotovCocktail   @   2025 Nov 23, 7:29pm  

Even I missed this one:


302   MolotovCocktail   @   2025 Dec 2, 7:31pm  

But...but..we were told the GOP was FUCKED!

F-U-C-K-E-D


303   Patrick   @   2025 Dec 7, 2:35pm  



304   HeadSet   @   2025 Dec 7, 5:08pm  

Patrick says





Or a third option:
I am DOING the programming, BWA HA HA!!
305   Ceffer   @   2025 Dec 7, 5:20pm  

All of the Mockingbird outlets run serious deficits. Is it a reflection that the demons have endless amounts of fiat printing press money to subsidize their organs of propaganda amplification?

Bag of lying flaming dog poo Stelter is back on CNN from the monitors at the gym. Unbelievable.

307   Patrick   @   2025 Dec 16, 8:21am  



308   MolotovCocktail   @   2025 Dec 16, 8:36am  

Eric_Holder says


After neutering came throatfucking: one of remaining Kilo-class submarines have been blown up by an underwater drone inside Novorossiysk navy base. It was used to lobe Kalibr cruise missiles into civilian apartment blocks. No more of that shit.

To add insult to the injury the video feed was translated from a cameras installed in the Black Sea Fleet .... err .... flotilla HQ.



Meanwhile, when Grok is asked if this was propaganda or real:


Russia acknowledged that an attack occurred but denied any damage to the submarine, other ships, or crews at the base, insisting all assets remain operational.

Satellite imagery comparisons have not shown visible damage, and there is no independent verification of the submarine's status beyond the Ukrainian-released video.


Another work of a Ukey Propaganda Bullshit Artist of PatNet Extraordinaire.
309   Patrick   @   2026 Feb 22, 11:07am  

https://slaynews.com/news/public-funded-german-broadcaster-fake-ai-generated-video-ice-arresting-woman-children-anti-trump-report/


Public-Funded German Broadcaster Uses Fake AI-Generated Video of ICE Arresting Woman & Children for Anti-Trump Report

Germany’s taxpayer-funded public broadcaster ZDF has provoked a backlash after its flagship news program Heute Journal was caught airing an AI-generated video depicting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arresting a woman and children during an enforcement operation.

ZDF used the fake video during an anti-Trump report on U.S. immigration enforcement.

The February 15 segment triggered immediate backlash on social media after viewers spotted an OpenAI “Sora” watermark embedded in the footage.

The logo, which is only visible at the end of the clip, makes it unmistakably clear that the scenes were synthetic.

The broadcast showed a crying woman and two children being led away by ICE agents, who were referred to during the segment as “troops.”
310   Ceffer   @   2026 Feb 22, 11:09am  

I went off on my liberal friend yesterday. He is so turned about by propaganda, I guess I use him as a wind sock concerning penetration of bizarre and contradictory concepts.

I shamed him about his TDS and told him he has been filled with hate and he doesn't even know how or why. I told him his mind was poisoned. He just dismisses any topic that he doesn't regard as pertinent to his themes.

The perversion in the schools and the radicalization of education he brushes aside. He just denies or doesn't examine the elephants in the liberal room. He said it is irrelevant to our day to day lives. I told him women in our local health club had a perverted tranny waving his junk in their locker room. That effects THEIR daily lives.

Topics such as reindustrializing the economy so people have jobs goes into free market bullshit "We are 5 percent of the world economy, and we need to be courteous instead of aggressive" aka we must act beholden to the vampires destroying our society and be grateful for their scraps.

I told him fuck that, if we nuke anybody it should be the Euros. That kind of shocked him.

He is so twisted into 180 degree thinking he literally doesn't know his ass from his elbow, though he shows signs of being disturbed by the senselessnes of it all.

An interesting feature is the the propaganda artists, knowing that your typical dazed and confused liberal is a classic dunning kruger self aggrandizing 'intellectual', has started giving them talking points to argue the propaganda. That means they are getting pushback, which is good news.

He also said that 70 percent of the country is opposed to Trump. I told him he was infected by the purple haired crazy lesbians in Santa Cruz. I also told him that 80 percent of the country voted for Trump. He also tries to blame Trump for Biden Actor's inflation.

He also said that Trump has been bad for veterans (himself), which is another total 180 degrees from the truth.

Oddly, he agrees with the border policies after before expressing suicidal altruism. I think he is oddly a conservative deep down who has been buried in bullshit for so long he doesn't know up from down.

We left on good terms and he thanked me for enlightening him about the JFK assassination (late to the party), which he now realizes was done by CIA/LBJ/Bush/ Euro etc. et alia. I guess that's a baby step. I think he's still a little ways from 9/11.

He also agrees with election fraud, but thinks it might be OK because 'his team won'.
311   mell   @   2026 Feb 22, 11:21am  

There is a yuge wind of change in Europe, many countries are swinging solidly conservative, want to end the bullshit war in the ukraine, end all mass immigration and align more with Trump. It's happening, Rubio did a good job with his diplomatic but firm speech on the isses. Watch traitor starmer getting ousted soon. The AFD in Germany is poised for huge wins. It's happening
312   HeadSet   @   2026 Feb 22, 6:49pm  

mell says

Watch traitor starmer getting ousted soon. The AFD in Germany is poised for huge wins. It's happening

I hope you are right.
314   Ceffer   @   2026 Mar 2, 12:08am  

LOL! "If only the First Amendment had but a single neck!"

315   AntiPanicanPlanTruster   @   2026 Mar 2, 12:44am  

Ceffer says

LOL! "If only the First Amendment had but a single neck!"



Nah, just make Laura Loomer FARA director.
317   MolotovCocktail   @   2026 Mar 2, 6:29am  





https://x.com/TheBritLad/status/2028422696682373275

...and Bahrainis drive their cars on the other side of the road.
318   HeadSet   @   2026 Mar 2, 8:10am  

Why are all the parked cars on the right facing the wrong way?
320   Patrick   @   2026 Mar 3, 8:11pm  

MolotovCocktail says

...and Bahrainis drive their cars on the other side of the road.


Also:


321   MolotovCocktail   @   2026 Mar 3, 8:35pm  

Patrick says

MolotovCocktail says


...and Bahrainis drive their cars on the other side of the road.


Also:





To think ppl's electrical costs are going up just so we can be flooded with this bullshit.
323   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2026 Mar 4, 7:40am  

https://patriots.win/

Entire site is war propaganda. With built in forum controls and sliding.

https://cnn.com/
https://foxnews.com/

Boomer propaganda.
326   HeadSet   @   2026 Mar 10, 7:33pm  

Never trust anything delivered in passive voice.

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