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Filled up Chevron Supreme in Martinez California today, $5.999 a gallon.

Under $3 in 2020.

Onvacation says

Filled up Chevron Supreme in Martinez California today, $5.999 a gallon.

Under $3 in 2020.

Democrat shithole California paying up the wazzu for gasoline.

Sam's Club in Panama City FL at $2.89. Roll Tide.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/florida/panama-city

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$4 in idaho per gallon, was 2 in the past. seriously fuck joe biden and his handlers and this self serving corrupt fucking government.

Filled up at least twice already for $3.99/gal ($3.93 cash price) at a local station. So we're finally under $4.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

$4 in idaho per gallon, was 2 in the past. seriously fuck joe biden and his handlers and this self serving corrupt fucking government.

Too many Californians moved there and screwed things up for the locals. That’s why Californians are hated in almost every state they move to

Eman says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

$4 in idaho per gallon, was 2 in the past. seriously fuck joe biden and his handlers and this self serving corrupt fucking government.

Too many Californians moved there and screwed things up for the locals. That’s why Californians are hated in almost every state they move to

CA gas price is higher than the rest of the country because the state mandates a "special blend". Unless Californians who moved to ID made their new state mandate a "special blend" too, there is no way it's related to them.

PS. We once stopped to shop for food in Idaho Falls before a week-long RV camping trip to Yellowstone and were surprised to find food prices as high or even higher than in CA. Don't remember gas prices though - we didn't fill up there I guess. But I'm pretty sure us driving through ID didn't cause food and fuel prices to spike. :)

Eric Holder says

But I'm pretty sure us driving through ID didn't cause food and fuel prices to spike. :)

Actually, you probability did. You think you aren't the only tourist to drive thru there and stop and eat?

UkraineIsFucked says

Eric Holder says

But I'm pretty sure us driving through ID didn't cause food and fuel prices to spike. :)

Actually, you probability did. You think you aren't the only tourist to drive thru there and stop and eat?

I didn't stop and eat - just loaded on groceries and went on my merry way.

Interesting take from BMW CFO.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1747642392746786879?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/regulation/200-ways-the-biden-administration-and-democrats-have-made-it-harder-to-produce-oil-gas/

200 Ways the Biden Administration and Democrats Have Made it Harder to Produce Oil & Gas

President Biden and Democrats have a plan for American energy: make it harder to produce and more expensive to purchase. Since Mr. Biden took office, his administration and its allies have taken over 200 actions deliberately designed to make it harder to produce energy here in America. A list of those actions, which includes a few high-profile actions taken in states like New York and California, appears below. A PDF of the full list is available to download here.

On January 20, 2021,

Besides canceling the Keystone XL pipeline,
President Biden restricted domestic production by issuing a moratorium on all oil and natural gas leasing activities in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
He also restored and expanded the use of the government-created social cost of carbon metric to artificially increase the regulatory costs of energy production of fossil fuels when performing analyses, as well as artificially increase the so-called “benefits” of decreasing production.
Biden continued to revoke Trump administration executive orders, including those related to the Waters of the United States rule and the Antiquities Act. The Trump-era actions decreased regulations on Federal land and expanded the ability to produce energy domestically. ...

Goes on and on. Pretty convincing.

Menlo Park:


...and now Wookie starts his "Who Gives A Shit About California" rant on a gasoline price thread that doesn't say 'except California' on it's main post.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Menlo Park:


...and now Wookie starts his "Who Gives A Shit About California" rant on a gasoline price thread that doesn't say 'except California' on it's main post.

When they see this station from CA-101 the Tesla-driving fuckbook employees will pat themselves on the back for being so smart and not needing any gasoline.



Anyway, it has 0 bearing on the upcoming election here. CA is not going red over some silly gas prices.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Menlo Park:

I think I know that station. I'll have to go over and see if it still has those prices.

RWSGFY says

When they see this station from CA-101 the Tesla-driving fuckbook employees will pat themselves on the back for being so smart and not needing any gasoline.

That image has been my point on EV's in CA. They're going to have to change that first number to fit 2 digits. Or buy new signs for $10 gas prices. Tax revenue is down on fuel. CA has constant grid issues. The breaking point is coming as the likes of Tesla hit market saturation. CA is going to get their tax money somehow or you guys will be driving on gravel roads. It's too early to target EV's, but I think 2025 some changes are a coming on how they tax them.

WookieMan says

CA is going to get their tax money somehow or you guys will be driving on gravel roads.

That will be from tolls. You know, like the Ohio Turnpike. More and more roads will become toll roads and electric and ICE will use EasyPass.

$5.49 for premium in Martinez.

Filled my tank for less than a $100.

Onvacation says

$5.49 for premium in Martinez.

Filled my tank for less than a $100.

Seems you have been acclimated to think filling an 18 gallon tank for "under a $100" is cheap. Around here, during Trump's last year, filling an empty 18 gallon tank was less than $40.

We've been through this already: EV's are taxed in CA via add-on reg fee to offset the loss of gas tax revenue.

HeadSet says

Onvacation says

$5.49 for premium in Martinez.

Filled my tank for less than a $100.

Seems you have been acclimated to think filling an 18 gallon tank for "under a $100" is cheap. Around here, during Trump's last year, filling an empty 18 gallon tank was less than $40.

It's not that. There is usually $100 cut-off at the pump, which is annoying, so if you can fill up w/o swiping twice it registers as a positive event.🙃

RWSGFY says

There is usually $100 cut-off at the pump, which is annoying, so if you can fill up w/o swiping twice it registers as a positive event

Wow. Few people outside of CA would have any idea that such a cutoff issue would exist. I suppose that if one state had gas pumps that gave the user a static shock when you first lift the handle, the time you do not get that shock would also be welcomed as a positive event.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

There is usually $100 cut-off at the pump, which is annoying, so if you can fill up w/o swiping twice it registers as a positive event

Wow. Few people outside of CA would have any idea that such a cutoff issue would exist. I suppose that if one state had gas pumps that gave the user a static shock when you first lift the handle, the time you do not get that shock would also be welcomed as a positive event.

RV people know.

RWSGFY says

RV people know.

Yes, makes sense. I presume that RVs that use diesel do not have that $100 issue, as I cannot imagine that pumps that also serve Peterbilts do not routinely exceed $100 per fill.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

RV people know.

Yes, makes sense. I presume that RVs that use diesel do not have that $100 issue, as I cannot imagine that pumps that also serve Peterbilts do not routinely exceed $100 per fill.

No idea, as I only rented gas-powered ones in the US.

PS. Fun fact: in NZ whatever money you save by renting a diesel RV will be clawed back by per-mile surcharge their government tacks onto the rental bill. They do it only to diesels.

No more $100 cut off. I wish I didn't know that.

This mornings fill-up cost $97.

The price we pay to live in the paradise called California.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Menlo Park:

I biked over and took a picture. But note that that is just about the most expensive station in Menlo Park, being very near Sand Hill Road where all the VC's are:

@UkraineIsTotallyFucked ^^

Patrick says

UkraineIsTotallyFucked ^^

Looks like it went down.

HeadSet says

That will be from tolls. You know, like the Ohio Turnpike. More and more roads will become toll roads and electric and ICE will use EasyPass.

Ohio and Indiana can eat mounds of shit. It cost me $60 one way to get to central Ohio from IL. And the roads can eat shit. They suck. Like really suck. I'll fly to Cleveland as it's cheaper than driving round trip.

We get income personally from IL toll roads (bias), but they do actually have some of the best toll roads in the nation. Besides bridge tolls, most toll roads are trash. State and federally funded projects/roads in IL are fucking AIDS sucking a dogs dick. IDOT is a fuck that fucks itself. Sorry, touchy subject for me. Government bull shit too. We should be in 7 figure land annually but the fucking state of IL is a pile of shit governmentally. The state highways are trash. Toll roads awesome. Counties above average. Townships... eh. Depends.

It's too bad that the dipshit "central planners" didn't encourage natural gas (methane) cars.

You can fill up for cheap; they also burn natural gas to generate the electricity to charge your Tesla, Bolt, etc.

Honda sold a Civic CNG for a while, but evidently not enough people bought them.

I was considering converting my car to natural gas but decided fuckit, just keep my life simple.

Natural gas doesn't require refining, like petroleum does. It produces less CO2 than gasoline when burned (not important to me).

Buses and Amazon and UPS trucks are running on natural gas.

I read somewhere that there are now CNG/gas combo engines.

WookieMan says

It cost me $60 one way to get to central Ohio from IL

Get used to it. More tolls is how roads will be funded when gas consumption decreases.

HeadSet says

More tolls is how roads will be funded when gas consumption decreases.

Gas consumption decreases?

Never heard of Jevon's Paradox, have you?

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Never heard of Jevon's Paradox, have you?

So you think that more fuel-efficient ICE, hybrid and electric cars will lower the demand for gas enough that the price falls and people will just buy more gas because it is cheap?

HeadSet says

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Never heard of Jevon's Paradox, have you?

So you think that more fuel-efficient ICE, hybrid and electric cars will lower the demand for gas enough that the price falls and people will just buy more gas because it is cheap?

You and me - probably not. Some slice of low-income population who restricts their driving based on cost of gas - sure. Is it big enough to make a dramatic difference - no idea.

HeadSet says

So you think that more fuel-efficient ICE, hybrid and electric cars will lower the demand for gas enough that the price falls and people will just buy more gas because it is cheap?

1) EVs are fucked. At best, they have plateaud in market share. https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2056511
2) Hybrids is where the efficiencies will happen.

But either way, gasoline consumption at the very least will not fall much.

Oh, and historically that is what happened:

When cars became more fuel-efficient, people started driving more. This is an example of the Jevons Paradox because instead of saving gas from the better mileage, people used it as a reason to drive longer distances or more often, which led to more gas being used overall.

https://philosophyterms.com/jevons-paradox/amp/