Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread

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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   267,269 views  3,578 comments

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3540   UkraineIsFucked   2024 Feb 22, 1:27pm  

AmericanKulak says

The Russian military is no threat to Europe and won't be for at least a decade or so, especially if the Europeans give just a small rat's ass about improving their militaries by a small degree

True. Because in 10 years Russia won't be able to field a large enough military because of demographic collapse.
3541   richwicks   2024 Feb 22, 5:05pm  

WookieMan says

Dude, you've beaten the horse dead on this topic

@WookieMan apparently not fucking enough when morons keep using these fucking pathological sociopathic asshole liars as sources of definitive information.

Who gives a fuck what those assholes say? STUPID PEOPLE do.

WookieMan says

You bring it up in every comment and you sound like an idiot.

At least I'm not such a fucking drooling retard I'm getting my information from people that have lied consistent for 20 fucking years.

Who are these stupid people?

"Duh! I heard it on TV" "Duh! The government and the intelligence agencies said.."

You cattle can't learn. Fucking TWENTY YEARS, and I still have to here DUMMIES refer to them as if they have any credibility AT ALL.

They'll lie us into another fucking war, or pandemic, or bailout for criminals in the financial sectors, or whatever, and you will STILL BELIEVE THEM. It's never ending. Never ending. In ANOTHER year it will be some other outrageous lie promoted by CNN, MSNBC, Google, and Facebook. Anybody questioning it will be censored, and the stupid dumbshit public will dumbly ask "well, how were we to know the truth", 5 years later, when they will fall for ANOTHER obvious scam.

WookieMan says

Get over Iraq

And Afghanistan.

And Libya.

And Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Ukraine, what's next?

It will be something and you dirty stupid cows won't see MAYBE this is ANOTHER trick. Imagine that, they only CONSISTENTLY lie. What could POSSIBLY give you a fucking hint? 20 years and you can't learn, what's 20 more?

Our criminal sociopathic government will let the disaster of Flint Michigan, Palestine Ohio, Maui, whatever continue and you'll, like braying sheep, will demand we have to something about whatever bullshit they MAKE UP, 10,000 miles away.

I am done with propaganda at this point, and I'm fed up with the stupid shitheads repeating it and disseminating it. These people, are either subhuman, or they embrace dishonesty.
3542   richwicks   2024 Feb 22, 5:18pm  

NuttBoxer says

richwicks says

Nobody has ever threatened this nation, except the federal government.

Fixed it.

Federal government, domestic enemies, I see them as one in the same. Federal government is a subset. Plenty of traitors that work with them, the people that run Google, and Facebook for example. No big deal, we'll destroy them.
3543   WookieMan   2024 Feb 23, 7:11am  

richwicks says

Our criminal sociopathic government will

Let you spout off day, after day, after day about this shit. You do nothing but cry like a little baby here on Patnet. You don't do a thing. You ever meet with your House Rep? They're easily accessible. You are actually part of the problem. You don't do anything.

You don't even know the people I'll see in the next 2 weeks. Between local, state and federal I'll have conversations with a dozen elected officials. I speak my mind. I give no shits. Barking on Patnet living in a Democrat hell hole does zilch. Nothing. Maybe rethink your strategy. Stop thinking federally. That ain't gonna change shit. Work your way up.

Wake me up when you talk to your House Rep. Until then I'll be blunt and you should probably shut the fuck up.
3545   socal2   2024 Feb 23, 1:20pm  

Russia lost another of their precious A-50 radar planes as well as another SU-34 today. Believe that is 7 Russian air force losses in less than a week.

Is Ukraine softening the airspace before the F16's arrive in a few weeks? The F-16's will be able to push back Russian tanks and artillery far back from the current front lines.

3547   richwicks   2024 Feb 23, 3:32pm  

WookieMan says

Let you spout off day, after day, after day about this shit. You do nothing but cry like a little baby here on Patnet. You don't do a thing. You ever meet with your House Rep? They're easily accessible.

House representatives have no power. They are puppets. They don't even read the bills they sign or create. The Patriot Act was signed into law 2 hours after it was introduced. It's 600 pages long. Nobody read it, nobody could have read it. In the late 1990's it was common for people to take the posted bills, dissect them, and find out who actually wrote them, it was corporations. You'd know this if you weren't oblivious. They are careful to remove metadata today.

You're naive. Government is just a facade. You don't recognize that yet. You are intellectually incapable of recognizing the obvious unless you hear it from a television or some asshole politician.

To me, you're simply retarded in your (claimed) inability to comprehend what is blatantly obvious to me. We have powers controlling our government above, and they don't give a fuck who you elect, as long as they control them, and they controlled Bush 100%, Obama 100%, Trump 95% and that was not acceptable at all, and they control Biden 100%.

That's why it only mattered that our president was senile, or old, or mentally unfit, or accepting bribes, whatever, when Trump was president, and doesn't matter a bit now the Biden is president. You are programmed, and successfully so, to believe that it's a battle between "conservatives" and "liberals". That division doesn't exist, the division is between the people who take orders 100% and those that don't.

This is in front of your face. It's blatant, and you think talking to "a representative" is the way to fix it.

The way to fix it, is to end censorship, and make absolutely impossible. Now there are moral drawbacks to this. Having a completely secured network which has NO ability to be tapped into without permission, can create some horrible shit. You could have child pornography rings, drug rings, distributed mafias, you name it. It will be abused, but since Facebook, Google, and Twitter have protected people exploiting children (Backdoor was one on Google, Twitter wouldn't remove images of CHILDREN that were blackmailed into showing nude photographs and had for their Trust and Safety Commission being run by Yoel Roth who got his "PhD" for writing a "research" paper on why children should have access to Grindr, etc) I don't think I have to worry about the shit that will come out of it. It's already here, and people will do nothing, they will continue to use their services and desperately few know that these corporations engage in this, or think it's a minor thing.


You don't know what is going on, how anything works, of if you do, you pretend not to. I'm fed up with this shit. We are opening Pandora's box. We have allowed communication to be centralized in the expectation that doing so would be used to protect the public. What's being made now, are entirely uncontrollable systems, that impervious to backdoors or hacking. They can be made public, a combination of public and private, or entirely private. The only way to get into it, is to get to a person within the network.

You really have no idea, or you're lying. Either way, I can't communicate any information to you. Doesn't matter what you say to your stupid fucking puppet rep, they don't write the laws they sign them, when they're told to. Grow up.

You probably think that Biden actually WAS elected. Well he wasn't, obviously. The man can't get 50 people to show up to an event, we got an extra 25 million new voters in 2020 than we did in 2016, this is the largest increase of voters as a percentage of US citizens, ever in a 4 year period. It's the largest percentage of the turnout ever in the country's history and Joe Biden got the largest percentage of the population to ever vote for him. Guess who is number 2? The president that got the 2nd most number of votes ever in history as a percentage of the population? It's Donald Trump, in 2020. He got 10 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.

You're not voting your way out of this shit, and you're protesting your way out of this shit, and talking isn't going to help. You have to build tools. It's now over 20 years ago that we could have fixed this. When the Patriot Act went into effect, every electronic communication, ever text, and phone call, they were all legit to intercept and record. I am telling you, this is trivial to do now. In your entire life time, you won't speak or hear more words than you can store on a $10 SD Card.

WookieMan says

You don't even know the people I'll see in the next 2 weeks.

Puppets. Nobodies. They can give you graft and grant favors, and they can take bribes, and you can scratch their back and they can scratch yours. That's the limit of what they can do.

They are low level criminals and nothing more. They will do things like have the government purchase a corporate product, provided they get something out of it like stock options, insider trading information, some bogus property deal and the like, but they won't change policy because they don't control it.

It's easy to be a criminal, it's just I have no desire to be one. I won't work for or with this government, because what you call the government isn't a government, and what really is the government, is an outright criminal syndicate, and you still don't recognize that yet, or if you do, you don't care. Maybe you can make some money, taking tax money that was seized by US citizens and enriching yourself and the "politicians". That's the extent of what you can get accomplished working with any of these cutouts, and that's all they are.
3549   WookieMan   2024 Feb 23, 5:36pm  

richwicks says

House representatives have no power. They are puppets.

TL:DR. Your normal drivel. You don't do a thing but whine and whine. Enjoy your sour life. I actually do things and you're too lazy. Admit it for once.
3550   richwicks   2024 Feb 23, 5:40pm  

WookieMan says

TL:DR. Your normal drivel.

Dude, in there I called you intentionally ignorant, and you are.

You will remain this way until your death having absolutely no clue even though it's been explained to you. You're the problem with this country. You can't even be bothered to understand the problem you PRETEND to fight. Maybe you even think you're fighting it and if you're even attempting to you, you're being led down a false rabbit hole. Most people are.
3551   WookieMan   2024 Feb 24, 6:18am  

richwicks says

Maybe you even think you're fighting it and if you're even attempting to you, you're being led down a false rabbit hole. Most people are.

You're not elected. You don't talk to your House Rep monthly or State house or Congress person. You're willfully ignorant and just continue to bitch here and do nothing about it. What have you actually done? Programming and "allowing" people to speak on the internet does nothing. Do you even know how to get on the ballot for any position? No. Keep programming the trash that's making this situation worse and stop whining.
3552   richwicks   2024 Feb 24, 7:15am  

WookieMan says

You're not elected. You don't talk to your House Rep monthly or State house or Congress person. You're willfully ignorant and just continue to bitch here and do nothing about it.

Do you understand the true nature of evil?

Imagine getting 800,000 people killed over a lie you were told to repeat, and you did, shamelessly and repeatedly. Could you do that? Imagine if a town of thousands burned to the ground, displacing something like 10's of thousands of people, and you were instructed to give them a $700 check and that was it. Could you do that? Imagine if you started a conflict by murdering a leader, and bought back slavery to that country. Could you live with that?

The people you think are somebody to go to a solution for, have no problem with any of those, and they are merely puppets. Do you think Biden really cares about 2SLGBTQ+ rights? Do you think he cares if the vaccines are either safe or effective? Do you think Obama cared that Common Core math made a students, for 8 years, incapable of basic math? Do you think he cares slavery is in Libya because of what he did, or that there's starvation in Syria as a result? Do you think he's troubled that by allowing the overthrow of Ukraine, it's killed 100's of thousands of people?

Do you think they THEY decided to do ANY of this? That they took the initiative in doing any of these things?

Yet you want to appeal to them. You're delusional.
3553   WookieMan   2024 Feb 24, 7:48am  

richwicks says

Yet you want to appeal to them. You're delusional.

We are the world's police. I don't think you have a remote understanding of the world before your time. You'd likely be dead. Whether it's ethical or not is up for debate. But you'd likely be dead. I like being alive. I'm the opposite of delusional. I'm aware.
3554   Onvacation   2024 Feb 24, 7:52am  

Those that forget, or ignore, history are condemned to repeat it.
3555   RayAmerica   2024 Feb 24, 9:55am  

Friday Night Video Splurge — Ukraine On The Ropes


Notice in the 3rd. video the woman psychopath, speaking for the Military Industrial Complex, is advocating expanding the war into Russian territory. Follow her advice and we're looking at WW III.
3556   AD   2024 Feb 26, 1:24am  



On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.

Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today."

This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian border—work which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory.
3557   WookieMan   2024 Feb 26, 1:48am  

richwicks says

The people you think are somebody to go to a solution for, have no problem with any of those, and they are merely puppets.

Wake up. You're not getting any of my points and continuously go back to whining. I'll take smart peoples opinions and ideas over yours. https://youtube.com/shorts/qCppLqh3QO0?si=SZzmRfz7bIuywe8w
3558   richwicks   2024 Feb 26, 4:41am  

WookieMan says

We are the world's police.

No we aren't. Unless the police is an out of control violent criminal mafia. We're that.

Police are supposed to bring peace and deescalate situations. The US hasn't done that in my lifetime, and I'm 50.

The US announces it has a problem with country X, demands country X to do Y, regardless if X does Y, they go to war anyhow. The demanded that Qaddafi disarm, he did. They demanded Hussein get rid of his weapons of mass destruction, he did. When the US can't find anything that is suitable to start a war, they'll make a situation to cause one. They did that in Ukraine.

Remember women's right's in Afghanistan? That was bullshit. They don't care about Saudi Arabia. The US bombed Syria supposed to stop a civil war, do you think they did that?

Everything the US does, and has done for 20 years, is a lie. We have total psychopaths running the nation and dolts that still, at even this point, don't see them for what they are. People who can't see it by now, are blind. They'll never see it.

The US has sent something like 300,000 Ukrainians to their death in a war they couldn't possibly win in the SLIM HOPE it might weaken Russia although there's no strategic advantage to weakening Russia really. These people are complete sociopaths. These assholes are allowing the entire country rot so they can make a little sliver of money off from the MIC. If they can make 10 million dollars and it cost a 100 billion dollars in debt, and gets 100,000 people killed, they're all in. These are the people that run our federal government. You can't see that. They don't give a shit about Palestine Ohio, or Maui, or Flint Michigan, they don't care if people get murdered by illegal immigrants, they give money to illegal immigrants, and vets starve and die on the streets.

Sure, appeal to them. Good fucking luck. You're delusional.

WookieMan says

I don't think you have a remote understanding of the world before your time. You'd likely be dead.

Oh no. It was quite a bit easier. I knew people and talked at length with them who were alive when we still had a gold standard. Probably the easiest time for a white person like me to be alive would be 1950. Depression wasn't too hard PROVIDED you weren't in debt. Boomers, without question, had the easiest time. The so-called "greatest generation" had a very difficult time, Silent Generation grew up during WWII and those were tight times, but when they were young adults in 1950, they had the greatest opportunity ever.
3559   WookieMan   2024 Feb 26, 5:03am  

richwicks says

The US has sent something like 300,000 Ukrainians to their death in a war they couldn't possibly win in the SLIM HOPE it might weaken Russia although there's no strategic advantage to weakening Russia really.

Who cares? Choices were made by a lot of parties involved. Wasn't just the US by any means yet you keep throwing it on the lap of the US.

Ukrainian men are fighting a war. They could flee if they didn't want to. It's not complicated. I could fly to Costa Rica today and flee the US. Everyone fighting this war could just stop. It's a choice. It's not leadership or money. If Canada attacked my state I'd kill them and would join in. Whether Canada got money from Russia or China to attack I give no shits. I'll kill them if there on my land.

A hostile neighbor is one thing. Once you attack regardless of past circumstances, you are the fucktard. And that's Russia in this case. Not even debatable. There was nothing to negotiate from the word go. Regardless of 2014 Ukraine was a sovereign nation with no intention of invading Russia. Dumped their nukes. Already had territory ripped out from underneath them with Crimea. I'm no fan of Ukies either, but Russia is the aggressor and ass hole in this. Not the US.
3560   Ceffer   2024 Feb 26, 8:51am  

Are they trying to tell us something?

3561   Patrick   2024 Feb 26, 12:46pm  


In case you didn’t hear, the MSM are now admitting that Ukraine is a CIA proxy.

Meaning Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was NOT unprovoked, and that the US are the expansionists, overthrowing sovereign nations for geopolitical gain.

The US brought war to Putin’s doorstep.

Meaning that every single thing Western media told you about the war in Ukraine, was based on a lie. All the analysis you heard from pompous MSM talking-heads, was based on the presumption that Putin did this unprovoked, just because he is “literally Hitler”. None of it was true.

Turns out, Putin’s accusations of Western intelligence controlling Ukraine were correct, therefore his attack is more than justified. Just imagine if Russia funded Nazi militias in Canada, started a civil war, overthrew the government, then installed their own puppet regime, then put Russian intelligence bases and biolabs all over our northern border. Every American would be calling to flatten Canada and Russia. Well that’s exactly what the US did to Russia, and they are pissed.

Russia tried to join NATO, they were denied. Russia tried to negotiate non-violent means to resolve the conflict, they were denied. Russia tried to present their grievances of US bioweapon production and espionage to the UN, they were denied. Russia tried to go the diplomatic route, and the West just cried “Russian disinformation”, while they were the ones pushing disinformation.

The West also went out of their way to censor independent journalists like me who have been telling you this from day one, because if the public knew this detail the entire time, they wouldn’t have supported sending our tax dollars there.

This is going to be a tough pill to swallow for many Americans, but Russia are not the bad guys in this scenario. The West are, and it’s not even close.

The sooner we all recognize this, the sooner we can clean up the mess.

I have to say I haven't seen those MSM articles he mentions, but then, I never look at the MSM at all.
3562   WookieMan   2024 Feb 26, 1:00pm  

Patrick says

I have to say I haven't seen those MSM articles he mentions, but then, I never look at the MSM at all.

You don't need to read the MSM Patrick. One country is bigger and one smaller. Russia wants it because 90% of their land is shit besides oil/gas. No one wants to live there. No tourism. They pull the resources out of the earth. The people live like shit. Import food. They need Ukraine to sustain at a lower cost. That's all this is.

It's never been about culture. Russia wants warm water ports and something more than a bridge to Crimea. They want to shrink their Western border as well. Good luck, nuke time if they try to take Poland. They're the idiots and could have just purchased the land. Countries did this all the time during colonization. Not a new concept.
3564   Patrick   2024 Feb 27, 9:37am  


A video making the rounds yesterday purportedly showcased a mild-mannered assassin allegedly hired by Ukraine’s secret police to car-bomb Tucker Carlson for $4,000, but who was somehow stopped or arrested by the Russians. It’s not completely clear. While the tale would be consistent with how the Ukrainians usually man-handle journalists, I could not verify the video’s veracity, and I noted the story was not featured on Russia Today. Nor has Tucker said anything about it. So it remains in the “rumor” category until there’s more reliable information. But I figured someone would ask about this salacious story in the comments.

3567   Patrick   2024 Feb 28, 9:19am  


Three short days ago, the New York Times ran an unprecedented, astonishing, history-making, exclusive, damaging, long-form story under the intriguing headline, “The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin.” Not ‘helps fight Russia.’ Helps fight Putin. The second sub-headline, which should’ve been the main headline, explained, “A C.I.A.-supported network of spy bases has been constructed in the past eight years that includes 12 secret locations along the Russian border.”

The least interesting fact about the article was that it immediately demolished the main argument for Ukraine support and instantly turned dozens of Senators and Congressmen into liars. The most interesting fact was the CIA’s obvious decision to burn its vast, unimaginably-expensive, militarized, networked, anti-Russia intelligence operation in Ukraine.

Note how carefully worded was the sub-headline. The CIA network of spy bases ‘includes’ twelve along the border. In other words, there’s a lot more than twelve bases. The total number remains classified. It’s like the M&M’s-in-the-jar-game. Guess how many secret, underground Ukrainian CIA bases are in the empty Vodka bottle to win a broken M1 Abrams tank!

It was a big, giant article, penned by Pulitzer-winning reporters Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz who, the byline informed us, interviewed more than 200 people in the US, Europe, and Ukraine for the story. Adam and Michael are both well-connected intelligence community hired guns and Russia hawks. Adam won a Pulitzer for his story exposing Russian meddling (to ‘help Trump’) in the 2016 election. Michael won a Pulitzer in 2020 for his series of articles exposing Russian intelligence assets around the world. So.

For the story, Adam and Michael got deep access to top-secret CIA material and even toured one of its secret underground bases on the border in Ukraine. I’m wondering, how much top-secret, classified information was exposed to these reporters so they could write this story, obviously with close CIA cooperation?

I’m not sure that, in the entirety of its long, dubious existence, the CIA has ever dumped this much current, classified information into the public domain before. I think we have witnessed yet another historic, record-breaking 2024 disclosure.

Especially given recent classified-document controversies here in the States, one wonders who authorized the declassification of all that classified information? Was it authorized?

But the even bigger question is: why.
3568   Patrick   2024 Feb 28, 9:32am  

Before we attempt to answer that particularly pesky question, a question that, in the hours following the article’s publication, has consumed hundreds of hours of podcast time and libraries of blog articles, let’s first check in and see how the boys in Ukraine are doing. When last we left them, Russia had just taken over the strategically-paramount, fortified city of Avdiivka following a frantic, five-month battle.

There’s pretty big news. Right after Avdiivka fell, something new happened in the Special Military Operation. Something we have never seen before. The entire, vast Russia-Ukraine battle map lit up like a secret CIA switchboard.

The Live UA Map (shown above, with my annotations) is compiled from open-source information, including published news stories, official announcements, and clever scraping of geolocation data found in the metadata of cell phone pictures and drone videos. Russian-controlled areas and attacks are shaded red, Ukraine’s are blue.

What first strikes you about the proportion of red and blue on that map?

Yep. What the map strongly suggests — a conclusion shared by most independent war bloggers — is that, once Russia had captured the key strategic location of Avdiivka in central Ukraine, it commenced a massive, all-theatre offensive, all along the extended front, putting Ukraine in an impossible situation: where should it send its dwindling, aging, worn-out reserve forces? To what part of the line?

Somehow, Western ‘leaders’ appear completely taken by surprise — how could this happen? They seem to be panicking and are politically freaking out. Mercurial gadfly Emmanuel Macron called for an emergency, last-minute NATO conference yesterday and shocked attendees by suggesting the West should give Ukraine not just ammunition, but uniformed troops, a development that would ring the World War III dinner bell.

Macron’s ridiculous proposal was immediately shot down, leaving the French President standing alone in his bikini-style briefs. The instant take-down included wide corporate media coverage, which means they were really talking to Russia, saying don’t worry, we may be stupid but we’re not THAT stupid. For example, from an article in yesterday’s USA Today:

Over here in the U.S., President Biden — just like panicky Macron — convened an “emergency” summit yesterday with Chuck Schumer and Mike Johnson, a painful interview including a separate half hour where Biden asked to speak to Johnson privately, causing this author to conclude that whatever we’re paying Mike Johnson, it isn’t enough. ...

Why is Joe panicking? Does he love the Ukrainians that much? Better yet, would the aid package really turn the tide at this point? Even if Congress approves the $61 billion aid package, it would almost certainly be too little, the ammo would get to Ukraine too late, and it would not solve Ukraine’s actual biggest problem, which is not lack of ammo. As Macron’s freakout suggests, Ukraine’s main problem is that we could send it all the weapons and ammo we want, but Ukraine is running out of fresh men to fire the weapons.

Ammo, you can buy. Weapons, you can buy. More Ukrainians? Not so much.

So what’s the panic? The panic is, Ukraine may lose, and it may lose soon, and so this one might be the very last aid package. Biden’s money train may soon be pulling into the Russian-occupied station. Privet, comrades! In other words, once it gets clear that Ukraine is lost, there won’t be any more multi-billion dollar aid packages for politicians and oligarchs to graft from.

This could be Biden’s last chance.

Which brings us back to pondering the bizarre, unprecedented decision by the obsessively-secretive Central Intelligence Agency to burn its Ukraine operation to the ground.

The Time’s extensive, detailed article prints to 34 single-spaced pages. It’s a small book. But here are the basics: according to the Times, on the same day Ukraine’s democratically-elected, pro-Russian government fell in 2014, CIA director John Brennan’s private government plane landed in Kiev. The Director immediately formed a enduring friendship with the new, pro-Western replacement president (Zelensky’s predecessor), and forged a lasting work relationship with its brand-new spy chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko.

Many analysts credibly believe the CIA helped or even engineered the coup that overthrew Ukraine’s fairly-elected, Russia-friendly government on February 24, 2014. (Eight years later — to the day — Russia invaded Ukraine.) If true, the CIA had a complete claim to the government it created. And, if true, all the top Ukrainians are actually handpicked CIA assets.

What happened next in February 2014, according to the article, could be best described as the CIA moving into Ukraine’s master bedroom and making the owners move down to the basement. “Working with” Ukraine, Obama’s CIA began building its “network” of underground bases in Ukraine — who knows how many — including the aforementioned dirty dozen of militarized, underground, US-built bases right along Russia’s border. Sadly, the CIA was aided by intelligence-friendly, Cold War-era Republicans, too...

The article continued, citing example after example, trying its hardest to put the CIA into a good light and make the article into some kind of CIA recruitment brochure. But the reader can only avoid feeling nauseated and betrayed by the CIA, by believing that Russia is an existential threat to the United States and no risk is too great to oppose it. In other words, you have to still be an all-in Cold Warrior.

Too much top-secret information was disclosed to describe here, because of space constraints. But I’ll give you one example for flavor, and it’s not even the most shocking example:

"Around 2016, the C.I.A. began training an elite Ukrainian commando force — known as Unit 2245 — which captured Russian drones and communications gear so that C.I.A. technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow’s encryption systems. (One officer in the unit was Kyrylo Budanov, now the general leading Ukraine’s military intelligence.)"

A commando force? Military intelligence? In other words, although the article studiously avoided describing any direct wet work, it doesn’t say there wasn’t any, either. But clearly, the CIA was involved in helping direct and train Ukraine’s military. In other, other words, the CIA built itself an army in Ukraine. And the Russians obviously didn’t like it.

Note the cited date: “around” 2016. Do you think Trump was briefed on the CIA’s massive network of bases and its captive army in Ukraine? Could that have been what Trump was trying to figure out when he called Ukraine’s president, a call the deep-state immediately leaked and impeached him over? Was the great quid-pro-quo-ing of Trump really intended to send a message: keep your hands off Ukraine, or else?

Is that what Chucky Schumer meant when he gleefully warned Rachel Maddow the CIA has six ways from Sunday to get back at you?

Again: who declassified 34 pages of detailed, top-secret CIA information, details like naming unit numbers and members, and who invited Times reporters to tour top-secret underground bases? I’ve been assured by many democrats that even having classified information not carefully declassified through multiple layers of review and sign-off is a treasonous crime. (Unless you cooperate more with FBI agents investigating your illegally kept files, but I digress).

The CIA’s top-secret, multi-billion dollar militarized spying operation in Ukraine is now public knowledge; in other words, it’s been burned. Agents and sources have been placed in harm’s way. Secret bases have been compromised. America’s foreign policy has been damaged. Was all this unprecedented disclosure a crime? Should the FBI now raid intrepid reporters Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz, to find out who leaked?

We now enter the realm of speculation. Obviously we don’t know, and will probably never know, the real reason the CIA burned its active Ukraine network. But some possibilities loom larger than others. I’ll begin with my own conclusion.

This looks like the most unlimited limited-hangout ever I’ve seen. My best guess is someone or something was about to leak the story of the CIA’s ownership of Ukraine, so the spy chiefs got ahead of the story, in order to spin the harmful disclosures as best they could, as some kind of helpful, patriotic mission abroad, perfectly normal, nothing to see in Ukraine. To get it out, the agency dished the story up to two allied reporters on a plate and swanked them around some high-tech underground CIA military bases on the Russian border.

I pray someday, someone will ask Trump whether he was ever briefed on what the CIA was doing in Ukraine, and if so, when. Either way, limited or not, this story is terrifically damaging to the CIA, a permanent black eye that has only just started oozing.

First, the CIA’s bases obviously aren’t on the literal border with Russia, because Russia has already captured twenty percent of Ukraine’s eastern flank, but the CIA is still offering reporters spy-base tours. So the bases are more likely placed along the country’s ethnic borders, leading to an ugly conclusion that the CIA was actively helping Ukraine’s Nazi military attack and brutally oppress its own people in the more Russian areas in eastern Ukraine. So that’s one very ugly fact.

Second, the biggest media narrative in support of Ukraine from Day One has been that Putin invaded Ukraine for no reason. They told us Putin only invaded because he had deranged dreams of becoming a 21st-century Czar and reuniting the old USSR’s borders and putting the communist band back together. Joe Biden constantly blabbered about how the war was unprovoked (i.e., without reason or excuse)...

But this article proves beyond cavil that Putin was provoked. Putin even said so, although sold-out corporate media refused to believe him...

What would the U.S. do, if Russia were building dozens of secret military bases along our southern border and training Mexico’s military and installing Russia-friendly, KGB assets into all of Mexico’s top political, military, and intelligence services?

At what point would enough become enough?

Third, if I were a Senator or Congressman who had gone around repeatedly assuring my constituents and telling the media that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, I would be pretty hot right now. This disclosure just made liars of them all.

Finally, looping back to where we started, the story signaled that the CIA obviously expects Ukraine to lose the war. Apart from getting in front of the story, the CIA burned its secret underground border spy bases because it probably expects Russia will capture them soon. By burning its spy network in Ukraine, the CIA crossed a sort of geopolitical Rubicon, a point of no return, and has decided it has no realistic way to stop the Russians. So the CIA has abandoned ship. Or base.

It was an amazing story and we’ve never seen anything like it in history. It took fifty years for the CIA to declassify some of its files on JFK’s assassination. Putin got them to declassify their twisted Ukrainian network in about fifty minutes.

No more money for Ukraine until our own border is fully secure.

Next, the disclosure of all this detailed information about the CIA’s activities in Ukraine is opening up vast new panoramas of connecting dots. For example, Mike Benz reminded Twitter yesterday about the curious timing of Hunter Biden’s Burisma Board job compared with the timeline of the CIA’s admitted invasion of Ukraine:

A side-effect of the CIA’s limited hangout will be the chance to keep putting the puzzle pieces together. So, stand by.
3569   Patrick   2024 Feb 28, 9:34am  

Signs of trouble in paradise! One unavoidable side-effect of the panicked CIA base disclosures is also an inability to predict what else its disclosures might affect, or who might be upset about them. I have no way of knowing, but one day after the Times helped the CIA burn its own Ukraine network, which included painting a picture on Ukraine’s spy chief’s back as a CIA asset, while President Biden was still making the rounds justifying $61 billion in Ukraine aid because of Alexei Navalny’s murder, guess what happened?

CIA asset (former?) and Ukraine spy chief Budanov announced Navalny died of natural causes, eviscerating the latest US narrative for ginning up Ukraine support:

Did Budanov push back on the CIA because they burned him? Or is the CIA undercutting Biden, and directed Budanov to do it? What happened?

And … a blood clot! If you go back and read C&C the day after Navalny died, you’ll find I said it sounded more like a jab-related sudden adult death than anything else. Well, well, well.

Why would Budanov support the Russians instead of Biden just now? One day after the epic Times article. Even if he felt a need to be honest, there would be no reason for the spy chief to go public with his conclusion that Navalny died of natural causes, tossing a sandbag right in front of Joe Biden’s orthopedic sneaker.

All we can know for sure is there are massive movements afoot behind the scenes.
3570   UkraineIsFucked   2024 Feb 28, 9:41am  

Patrick says

I’m not sure that, in the entirety of its long, dubious existence, the CIA has ever dumped this much current, classified information into the public domain before. I think we have witnessed yet another historic, record-breaking 2024 disclosure.

Especially given recent classified-document controversies here in the States, one wonders who authorized the declassification of all that classified information? Was it authorized?

But the even bigger question is: why.

Pretty obvious. Don't need a CIA Pet Journo Gaslighting Operation for something called out last year:

3571   Ceffer   2024 Feb 28, 4:22pm  

Yup. This will likely be the 'at least' scenario, aside from other partitions activities.

3572   richwicks   2024 Feb 28, 4:43pm  

WookieMan says

Who cares? Choices were made by a lot of parties involved. Wasn't just the US by any means yet you keep throwing it on the lap of the US.

It IS the US. This war wouldn't have even started if the US didn't overthrow Ukraine, the overthrow of Ukraine caused the civil war in Ukraine. If the US allowed the Minsk Accords to be implemented (something Zelenskyy ran on and promised to implement!), this war wouldn't have started, but the US blocked it. The war would be over by now because of the expense, but the US funds it.

And this does NOTHING for the strategic interests or monetary interest of the United States.

WookieMan says

Ukrainian men are fighting a war. They could flee if they didn't want to. It's not complicated.

They have fled, the ones that could cross the border. There's estimated to be about 9 million men that have left the country, out of a country of 41 million people - that's 21% of the population. It's equivalent to going to Canada in the 1960's to avoid the draft, and people did that, and they are barred from re-entering the United States to this day. The border of Ukraine is closed. To get across it, you have to bribe your way, or sneak across.

WookieMan says

If Canada attacked my state I'd kill them and would join in. Whether Canada got money from Russia or China to attack I give no shits. I'll kill them if there on my land.

If any country marched into Washington DC and announced "we're just here to kill the leadership", I would go to the bank, withdraw $5,000 go to a bar, and start buying rounds.

Russia isn't interested in taking over Ukraine, and watch, they won't. The Donbas has been petitioning to join Russia or become independent because they've been in a civil war for 8 years before this actual war started. Russia isn't going to take over all of Ukraine, but it's likely the Donbas will either become something like S. Ossetia or actually join Russia.

They have as much love for their federal government as I do for mine. My federal government does NOTHING that I approve of. Nothing. I think it should be disbanded. We'd be better off if it was. Many people in Donbas feel the same way about their government because their government has been shelling them for over a decade. Fuck them.

WookieMan says

It's never been about culture. Russia wants warm water ports and something more than a bridge to Crimea. They want to shrink their Western border as well. Good luck, nuke time if they try to take Poland.

Yeah, nuke time if they do, they won't. They won't even take Kiev. They do want that warm water port. The ONLY reason Crimea was a part of Ukraine is the Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine when the Ukraine was part of the USSR and the USSR couldn't ever fall apart...

Khrushchev grew up in Kalinovka, Ukraine, not Russia. He was Ukrainian. You know where Kalinovka is in relation to Kiev?

WookieMan says

A hostile neighbor is one thing. Once you attack regardless of past circumstances, you are the fucktard. And that's Russia in this case. Not even debatable.

Oh god.

You know best. Tired of this "discussion".

I'm not defending Russia's actions, and I'm condemning US actions. I'll be clear about that. I have ZERO control over what Russia does, in THEORY I'm supposed to have SOME control over what my fucking government does, in theory, not really. Ukraine never had a chance in this war, it's a war that's just a waste of money and lives, it may lead to the breakup of NATO, and it will probably cripple Ukraine if not destroy it.

You watch. This is consistent with what the stupid Neocons do. They are COMPLETE failures in everything. They're fucking this up now. All they seem to care about is making money for the offense industry. No other consideration is made. Just failure after failure after failure, and this will be no different. The longer it's funded, the more money that is wasted, the more people that will die. That's all that this war is now, wasting money, and pointlessly killing people.

How much do the Neocons have to fuck up before even YOU recognize this is a fuck up? It was obvious to me back in 2003. With those assholes in charge we get garbage fucking drivel propaganda, and people like you fall for it. The stupidest shit comes out of them, and you fall for it, maybe not 100% of the time, but not 0%. What will happen is entirely predictable. Mark this post, check up on it a few years from now.
3573   Patrick   2024 Feb 29, 9:36am  


First, longtime CIA watcher Mike Benz agreed with me that the 34-page Times’ article was an obvious CIA plant, but one paragraph convinced him the disclosure was actually just an effort to pressure Congress to pass the $61 billion Ukraine aid package by selling what terrific work the CIA was doing in Ukraine and how it needs funding to continue.

I disagree with Mike for four reasons.

One: the CIA could have much more easily assigned an attractive analyst with a compelling pair of visual aids to directly persuade Speaker Johnson (and anyone else in Congress) in a classified briefing without burning its network; it does that kind of thing all the time. Second, the CIA, like cockroaches, never do their scurrying out in the open. The network is useless to the CIA now its cover is blown, so there is no longer any need for CIA funds. Third, Ukrainian officials seemed deeply upset by the disclosures, rather than salivating over chances for a new plane-load of cash pallets. Fourth, though the reporters tried to squeeze the disclosures into a strappy dress, they wound up looking more like a balding, middle-aged, trans NATO general trying to pull off a tight skirt look.


In other words, the article profoundly damaged the CIA. Presumably the voluntary disclosure caused less damage than the CIA’s enemies would have done.
3574   UkraineIsFucked   2024 Feb 29, 10:25am  

Ukraine Is Fucked, kiddies.

Always has been...even when they were 'beating' the Russians last year.

The Russians outproduce the West in arms and men using them, period. They always were going to.

Russia has always relied on quantity over quality. It works for them.

Whereas, Ukey Naziland can't even pay their firefighters let alone soldiers. It is a total client satrapy w/o any sovereignty. There already is no independent Ukraine.
3576   UkraineIsFucked   2024 Mar 1, 8:35am  

Fresh rape pussy for Russian POW camps.
...the ones that don't get blown to bits from arty.

Reporting for duty!

3577   Patrick   2024 Mar 1, 8:38am  


Did the Blob get vaxxed and boosted? Does that explain the severe neurological damage it displays now as its hologram of lies about Ukraine and Russia Russia Russia flickers out in the blinding daylight of reality. First, there was the gigantic New York Times article published last Sunday blowing open the decade-long secret shadow war by the CIA in a sprawling network of underground bunkers on and around the Russian border.

The story was a direct feed from Blob Central in Langley, VA, to Times errand boys Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz, longtime RussiaGate hoaxers, and obviously intended to get ahead of the real news that the neo-con project to turn Ukraine into a NATO forward base against Russia has collapsed. Read closely, the Times story appears to be an effort by current CIA chief William Burns to hang-out-to-dry his predecessors John Brennan, Mike Pompeo, and Gina Haspel for the failed eight-year-long operation. Why? Because it looks like Russia is fixing to shut down the war ASAP, before its March 15 presidential election.

As it happened, Russian diplomats and Ukraine President Zelensky took turns visiting with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) in Saudi Arabia this week, sparking rumors that these were peace talks with MBS playing mediator. The situation is delicate for all concerned. Ukraine itself verges on collapse with its army decimated, its ammo used up, and its coffers empty, awaiting the $60-plus-billion aid package that is stalled in Congress, meaning no salaries for Ukraine govt employees and no pensions.

It’s delicate for the US because “Joe Biden” has declared our country won’t negotiate over Ukraine, despite the fact that there is nothing else to do now, or the end of the war will be negotiated without us. And remember, not many days ago Mr. Putin told Tucker Carlson that he was ready to talk to anybody. What this will demonstrate is that America has neither the ability to continue its proxy war nor the will or sense to engage in peace talks — all due to “Joe Biden’s” abject intransigence, and not a good look for someone pretending to run for re-election.

It’s delicate for Russia because such a humiliating loss for America could provoke “JB” and his NATO allies to some reckless and foolish act, say, sending NATO members’ ground troops directly into battle or a missile strike on Russian territory, setting off nuclear war. At the very least, the situation has already prompted the US government propaganda machine to kick-start Russia Russia Russia 3.0, the threadbare narrative that has been the accelerant of Democratic Party hallucinations about Russia interfering in US elections since 2016 — when it has actually been US spooks collaborating with a motley assortment of Ukrainian stooges, plus Marc Elias’s lawfare corps, plus the Intel Blob coercing social media to work its will. The majority of the voters don’t seem receptive to a replay of this scam but the US government is at war with those voters, so anything goes in the struggle to retain power.
3578   RayAmerica   2024 Mar 1, 2:42pm  

- Alfred E. Newman for President

Russia has world’s ‘most diverse’ nuclear arsenal – US general

Washington desperately needs to modernize its own nuclear forces, the head of the US Strategic Command has said

Russia poses a serious challenge to America’s military dominance, Air Force General Anthony Cotton, who heads the US Strategic Command, said on Thursday. Moscow already possesses a nuclear arsenal that exceeds Washington’s and is actively modernizing it, he told the US Senate’s Armed Forces Committee in a prepared statement.

Together with CHINA, RUSSIA is swiftly improving its position against the US and its allies “in multiple domains,” the general warned, adding that the pace of these changes is increasing and is now much faster than that seen “just a few years ago.”

He pointed to a recent statement from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who said in early February that the Russian strategic nuclear forces had been “almost completely modernized.” The naval component of the nation’s nuclear deterrence triad had been almost 100% upgraded, he said.

“Russia is currently in possession of the largest and most diverse nuclear arsenal of any nation,” Cotton said, specifically pointing to Moscow’s Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles and brand-new submarines, also capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

The Sarmat ICBM was approved for combat duty in September 2023. Addressing the Russian Federal Assembly on Thursday, Putin promised to release footage of the missiles in their silos. One of Russia’s most capable nuclear weapons, the Sarmat reportedly has an estimated range of 11,000 miles (about 18,000 kilometers), with a payload weighing around ten tons. Other weapon types mentioned by Cotton included the Borei-class and Yasen-M class submarines.

According to the US general, Moscow is also “expanding and modernizing its nuclear options” beyond the classic nuclear triad. In particular he drew senators’ attention to the Kinzhal and Tsirkon hypersonic missiles, both of which he claimed could carry nuclear payloads.

More here:https://www.rt.com/news/593568-russia-diverse-nuclear-arsenal-world/

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