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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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1957   Ceffer   2023 Feb 14, 5:34pm  

People who actually pay taxes in USA have spent involuntarily maybe a thousand dollars apiece on Ukraine, not to mention losing the percentage of their spending power and savings due to inflations from the money printing.
1960   Ceffer   2023 Feb 15, 11:49am  

Nothing worse than being implanted with a bootleg organ full of shrapnel.
1961   Eric Holder   2023 Feb 15, 11:59am  

Ceffer says


People who actually pay taxes in USA have spent involuntarily maybe a thousand dollars apiece on Ukraine, not to mention losing the percentage of their spending power and savings due to inflations from the money printing.


Ah, what a pile of bullshit. Most of that "gazillion bazillion of dollars in military aid" is calculated like this: a 30 y.o. HMMV which saw the fist Iraq war and for which the going rate at surplus auction is $3K is accounted for its replacement value of $265,000. Same goes for stuff like M113, HAWK SAMs, old Bradleys, etc. It probably saves us money because costs of storing that stuff is far from trivial and things like artillery shells and MLRS rockets have limited shelf life and you actually need to spend money to dispose of them. This is not money printing. The $2T "covid reliev package" / "infrastructure bill" was money printing and the main cause of inflation.
1962   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 12:49pm  

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-vernon-coleman-urgent-warning


Everyone who has supported the war in Ukraine – with money, flags, badges and so on – has been helping lead us into a nuclear war.

Everything they’ve told you about Ukraine is a lie.

The plot to start this war began in 2014 when America and the European Union (of which the UK was then a fully paid up member, of course) helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine. Former president Obama admitted in 2015 that the US had been involved in replacing the democratically elected government and offering the incoming government – now headed by Zelensky – billions of dollars in aid. There are plenty of statues to, and much support for Nazi collaborator Bander. Look him up. The US wanted a puppet regime on Russia’s doorstep as a launch pad for a planned NATO war with Russia. That was 2014. Obama, who was, unbelievably, awarded the Nobel peace prize, was of course responsible for much of the killing and destruction in Afghanistan.

The current war in Ukraine started in 2014 but escalated in February 2022 and by then the Americans, under Biden, had already begun to get involved. In January 2021 – a year before Russia was reported to have invaded Ukraine – the Americans had their eyes on the conflict and there was open talk of halting the Nord Stream pipelines. Biden, you will remember, became the 46th US President in January 2021.

Before Russia invaded Ukraine Biden warned: `If Russia invades…then there will be no Nord Stream 2 – we will bring an end to it.’ That’s on record.

The Nord Stream pipelines were set up by Russia to transport cheap Russian gas to Germany and the rest of Europe and the Biden administration wasn’t happy about this. Biden and his advisors had several objections.

First, they didn’t want the Russians being able to sell their own gas too readily to Europe. Putin had never been part of the globalists’ conspiracy and was a very large problem.

Second, America wanted to sell American gas to Europe – by transporting LNG across the Atlantic. This would enable them to make as much money as they could before billions die.

Third, Biden and company knew that if they could pretend that the Russians had blown up their own pipeline out of spite – and in response to the sanctions brought against Russia – the Europeans in particular would blame their high fuel prices on Russia and support intervention in the war in Ukraine.

Fourth, the designer war against Russia would lead to the destruction of Europe – which is after all much closer to Russia than America. London, Paris and Berlin are all easy reachable targets.

This was all part of the plan to reduce the global population.

And so, according to a report by renowned, Pulitzer Prize winning 85-year-old Seymour Hersh – the greatest ever American investigative journalist and the man who broke the stories of the Mail Lai massacre in Vietnam and the events in Abu Ghraib in Iraq – Biden decided that he would blow up the pipeline and set up a Task Force with the CIA in early 2020 to plan this.

Hersh reports that in June 2022, on Biden’s orders, divers placed C4 explosive charges on the pipelines. This was done under great secrecy and everything possible was done to keep it all very secret. The bombs were planted under cover of a military exercise in that month. The Norwegians, who helped with the mission, knew that they’d be able to sell their gas to Europe too.

Then in September 2022 a boy – or buoy as the Americans call them – was dropped by plane and the charges were set off. The US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Huland, hailed the destruction of the pipeline at a Senate hearing.

Inevitably, the US blamed Russia – claiming that they had blown up a pipeline which had taken Russia 15 years to build and had cost $20 billion.

The result of all this is that prices for fuel in Europe – and the rest of the world have skyrocketed. The price of food has inevitably soared too. There will be hundreds of millions of deaths in Asia and Africa where people can no longer afford fertilisers, food or fuel.

Biden must go into the history books as one of the most evil men in history.

And now we are heading rapidly towards a Nuclear War.

Under Sunak’s alleged leadership, Britain – pretty well bankrupt and at the start of a major recession - is talking about supplying jet fighters to Ukraine on top of the billions of pounds worth of bombs and bullets already sent and it seems certain that it will. America and Germany and the UK all denied they’d send tanks but they are. And the UK is already training Ukraine pilots to fly British jets.

The future is now bleak indeed. We have been betrayed by everyone. In the UK, Charles the Hypocrite and a staunch supporter of a smaller global population, has always been a vocal supporter of Ukraine.

The globalist conspirators know that the covid jab has destroyed the immune systems of billions and will make those individuals who have been jabbed far more vulnerable to the radiation effects if nuclear bombs are dropped. As I warned in a video in May 2022, they WANT a nuclear war. The fake pandemic was always a distraction, a compliance programme and a way to weaken immune systems through the fake vaccine.

The CIA and the White House have denied Seymour Hersh’s story but you know that what he is saying is true because the main stream media, led no doubt by the CIA, is now describing him as a discredited journalist and self publisher – the very same words they used to try and discredit me early in 2020.

You’ll know, by the way, that the beginning of nuclear war is very close when Charles leaves Buckingham Palace and suddenly decides to go up to one of his country palaces – in Scotland perhaps – and when Sunak goes to Cornwall on holiday, when Macron disappears into the country and so on. Anyone in or within 30 miles of a decision making major city such as London, Paris or Berlin would be well advised to leave when that happens.
1963   stereotomy   2023 Feb 15, 4:02pm  

Tenpoundbass says




Tenpoundbass says




@Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?
1964   Ceffer   2023 Feb 15, 4:37pm  

Don't forget that IHLlary's pledge to the Globalists that she would make sure WWIII was started during her administration if she were elected 2016.

'Biden Administration' should be changed to 'Biden Actor Rockefeller China Administration'. Every action the administration has done has been to increase the cost and profits of Rockefeller fuel.
1965   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 5:37pm  

stereotomy says

Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?


@stereotomy Tell me more about what happens when you click "like". Does it show the "..." or does nothing happen at all?
1966   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 10:24pm  

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/ukraine-the-tomb-of-liberal-nationalism


It would be scary and weird for China to arm the moderate Canadians—especially to arm them so well they could fight off the Marines. It would be especially scary and weird if the Chinese lied and said they wouldn’t do it and then like just did it anyway. (If diplomatic history for kindergarteners does not do it for you, read this essay.) ...

But if I was playing China and I just wanted to start some shit on the North American continent—I would certainly arm the moderate Canadians. (Or at least the Québécois.) In this case, my actions would be completely consistent with my goals. Narratives in which goals and actions are consistent are inherently more plausible.

Looking at the objective results of our Ukrainian policy, you could swear we were devils—devils governed by devils, maybe—and had it in for the people of the Ukraine. They had sinned, we decided. So they needed to be spanked by the hard hand of war. For—reasons. Who knows. There must be reasons. Crypto scams, camgirls and spam? ...

Eastern Europe, in the Anglo-American global order of the last two centuries, is not complex at all. It is embarrassingly, disgustingly simple—one thing, over and over again. One incredibly stupid and destructive thing—which keeps on going on. And on.

The American enthusiasm for Vladimir Zelensky in 2022, for instance, is exactly the same thing as the American craze for Lajos Kossuth in 1852. The pattern is not even specific to Eastern Europe. Simón Bolívar is the same animal. The details, of course, are always different. Once I explain the pattern, you will see it instantly everywhere. ...

Imagine two countries, A and B, with different theories of citizenship. In country A, citizenship is a piece of plastic in your pocket, a row in a public database. Every citizen is the same as any other citizen. The community can make anyone a citizen. But in country B, citizenship is a mystic bond of blood and soil, tongue and faith. Citizenship is by birth. Everyone lives in one place, speaks one language, and prays to one god. Even the most superficial study of history will show the A and B archetypes.

It seems fair to call country A liberal, and country B nationalist; and fair to say that while there is a spectrum between A and B—even the most liberal of countries today is a little bit nationalist—A and B are opposite poles of political ethics. ...

The point is that the inherently unprincipled alliance of civic liberalism with blood-and-soil nationalism—or its close cousin, linguistic nationalism, which is the thing in Eastern Europe since one Slav, frankly, looks pretty much like another—the whole “your skin is your uniform” thing doesn’t really fly—this liberal nationalism is roughly the same idea that wrecked Europe a century ago. Hello, here it is again—like a new strain of covid. Great. This is exactly what Eastern Europe needed, isn’t it?

One we perceive liberal nationalism as a disease—whose symptoms are war, chaos and revolution, plus an often inexplicable affinity for the Anglo-American empire—or, as some call it, the “international community”—we are ready to look for the cause of this destructive mental disability which has so perennially tormented the modern world. ...

An ideology works not because it collectively achieves the right thing, but because it makes its believers feel good. Ideologies feel good because of the human instinct for power. Unfortunately, this instinct can be so manipulated that “nationalism” becomes a policy whose predictable effect is to wreck a nation to do an empire’s “dirty work.” ...

Just as two centuries ago the British used liberal internationalism to prevent Spain’s property in the Americas from being restored to her in the peace, our State Department called “Ukraine” into existence to redress the balance of Russia. ...

It was good politics because seeing England as a global ambassador of liberty made the London crowd love their government and its liberty-supporting politicians. Being powerful, liberal internationalism generated political power—then as now.
1967   stereotomy   2023 Feb 16, 1:28am  

Patrick says

stereotomy says


Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?


stereotomy Tell me more about what happens when you click "like". Does it show the "..." or does nothing happen at all?

When I tried earlier, nothing happened. I just tried again and it works. It must have been a temporary glitch.
1970   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 18, 7:41am  

Zelensky whining about the lack of weapons and ammo standing in the room filled with hundreds of dead Nazis:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1626593797932199936?ref_src=patrick.net
1973   Patrick   2023 Feb 19, 7:53pm  


Vance Murphy
@vancemurphy
·
Feb 18
There are roughly 580,000 homeless people in the US, and we have sent 100 BILLION dollars to Ukraine.

That is $172,000 per homeless person.
1975   Bd6r   2023 Feb 21, 3:23am  

Patrick says


Vance Murphy
vancemurphy
·
Feb 18
There are roughly 580,000 homeless people in the US, and we have sent 100 BILLION dollars to Ukraine.

That is $172,000 per homeless person.


Not saying that shoveling money to Ukraine is a good idea - let Europe pay for the war- but
1. Giving homeless slightly aged weapons such as HIMARS missiles is probably not a good idea, and
2. California is already shoveling money to homeless, do you have less homeless or more after that, relative to States that don’t do that?

It would be nice if people tried logical arguments instead of emotional slogans. Vance Murphy uses what in E Europe is called wamminz logic.
1976   richwicks   2023 Feb 21, 8:21am  

Bd6r says

1. Giving homeless slightly aged weapons such as HIMARS missiles is probably not a good idea, and
2. California is already shoveling money to homeless, do you have less homeless or more after that, relative to States that don’t do that?


Hmm, I bet if you gave the homeless a tank, and some training and ammunition, and then said "hey, do WHATEVER you want with it. Hey - is that a federal building over there? Hey, and there's the HQ of Wells Fargo. Hey, look there, it's the Federal Reserve".

It bet it would help a LOT.
1977   Reality   2023 Feb 21, 9:25am  

Patrick says


https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1626667164965953541?ref_src=patrick.net


US TO SUPPORT UKRAINIAN PENSIONS






Looks like the game plan is indeed to kill almost all Ukrainians, so the liability will go away. Nearly 20 years ago, when Hongkong and Taiwan introduced healthcare and pension for all, I realized that was going to be the end for the both of them.
1978   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2023 Feb 21, 9:34am  

Reality says


Patrick says


https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1626667164965953541?ref_src=patrick.net


US TO SUPPORT UKRAINIAN PENSIONS






Looks like the game plan is indeed to kill almost all Ukrainians, so the liability will go away. Nearly 20 years ago, when Hongkong and Taiwan introduced healthcare and pension for all, I realized that was going to the end for the both of them.



not so, way worse and more sinister. Think of this like this:

- pensions are for old people, old people aren't fighting
- pensions are typically paid by young people, who are dying in war right now.
- there won't be new young people, once dead, they don't return, takes a while to make that many new humans.

Ukraine as country is fucked, only way to pay pensions is to borrow from foreign banks, and you know old PatNet slogan... "debt is slavery" (still got a sticker somewhere). Ukrainian slavs will be foreign bank slaves once dust settles. They'll be paying debt forever and ever from taxes to foreign banks who just print money.

UKRAINE IS FUCKED, sold out by their own government to foreign governments. World is a cruel place.
1979   Misc   2023 Feb 21, 9:38am  

Oh YES, those mighty Ukrainian pensions.

I saved people the trouble of having to look them up. It is about $63 per month per person for the elderly (less if married).

They have nothing to fight for.

https://razumkov.org.ua/en/articles/pension-system-can-ukrainian-pensions-be-saved#:~:text=The%20average%20pension%20is%20UAH,UAH%203%2C001%20to%20UAH%204%2C000.
1980   richwicks   2023 Feb 21, 9:43am  

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

UKRAINE IS FUCKED, sold out by their own government to foreign governments. World is a cruel place.


No, they weren't sold out by their own government, they were sold out by a Zionist mafia.

Ukraine, if it's smart, will make a deal with Russia at the end of this, and tap Ukraine's oil for export to India and China and just, fuck their debt to the IMF.
1981   Misc   2023 Feb 21, 9:51am  

The IMF is not going to loan substantial funds to the Ukraine. They are going to bailout the European banks that loaned the Ukraine $135 billion before the hostilities broke out.

You see the US is kinda new to the Ukraine kickback schemes, the Europeans were in it for $135 billion waaaaaaaaaaay before us.

The war kinda helped out the Euro bankers as now the IMF rolls over the debt to the banks onto the IMF.
1982   richwicks   2023 Feb 21, 11:14am  

Misc says

The IMF is not going to loan substantial funds to the Ukraine.


Yeah they will.

That's ONE of the reasons that Ukraine was overthrown. Viktor Yanukovych made an agreement for borrowing money from Russia, at a lower interest rate than the EU.

https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-promises-ukraine-cheaper-gas-15-billion-loan/1811836.html

https://tass.com/economy/800896

There's a ton of articles. The Fed and EU (if they are even different entities at this point) are our true rulers.
1983   Misc   2023 Feb 21, 11:32am  

You mis-interpreted what I said. The IMF money is simply going to the banks that made the loans to the Ukraine. They get their money back. The Ukraine then owes the money not to the private banks, but to the IMF. ---- See Win Win ! ! ! ! !

All the $135 billion in corruption bucks shifted to the IMF.
1984   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 22, 10:22am  

Why the long face?

EUROPE
FEBRUARY 22, 2023 / 11:17 AM
Russian mercenary boss escalates row with top army brass with image of dead bodies
LONDON (Reuters) - Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin took a bitter public feud with the top army brass to a new level on Wednesday, publishing a grisly image of dozens of his fighters he said had been killed after being deprived of ammunition.
Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner private military company which is fighting on Moscow’s behalf in Ukraine, has this week repeatedly accused the Russian defence ministry of deliberately starving his fighters of munitions in what he has called a treasonous attempt to destroy Wagner.
The defence ministry, in a statement late on Tuesday, said such allegations were “completely untrue” and complained - without mentioning Prigozhin by name - about attempts to create splits that worked “solely to the benefit of the enemy”.
Undeterred, Prigozhin doubled down on his allegations on Wednesday, taking the unusual step of releasing a picture of dozens of his dead fighters laying prostrate on the icy ground in eastern Ukraine, where Wagner is battling to try to take the small Ukrainian city of Bakhmut.
“This is one of the places where the bodies of those who have died are gathered,” Prigozhin told a prominent Russian military blogger in an interview.
“These are guys who died yesterday because of so-called shell hunger. Mothers, wives and children will get their bodies. There should be five times less (dead). Who is guilty that they died? The guilty ones are those who should have resolved the question of us getting enough ammo.”
In another move likely to infuriate the top army brass, he released a copy of what he said was Wagner’s official request to the defence ministry for ammunition with detailed tallies of shells used, requested and received - though he said he had blanked out sensitive data such as the names of the shells.
“They’re still not giving us ammo. No steps to give us ammo have been taken,” said Prigozhin, saying that Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, and Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the General Staff, were withholding their signatures from shell approval forms.
Neither man has publicly responded to Prigozhin’s criticism in the past.
...
On Wednesday, he said he had launched a social media campaign to try to secure the shells and that Wagner had been reduced to begging military warehouses for ammunition, which he said was sometimes successful.
Despite the purported shortage, he said his fighters would keep trying to overrun Ukraine’s Bakhmut.
“Twice as many of us are going to die that’s all, until there are none of us left,” he said.
“And when Wagner are all dead then (Defence Minister) Shoigu and (General) Gerasimov will probably have to pick up a gun.”


Is he getting tired of winning or what?
1985   richwicks   2023 Feb 22, 10:38am  

RWSGFY says

Is he getting tired of winning or what?


It's just wartime propaganda. I don't know why people latch onto this bullshit, when this is Western "news":


original link


Are you REALLY fooled by this bullshit anymore? That asshole gets paid $30,000,000 a year to lie to you. Why, at THIS FUCKING POINT, do you take anything as truthful and honest at this point, just because some dickhead from probably the CIA wrote it up?

Are you just a slave?
1988   Patrick   2023 Feb 26, 1:41pm  


Ben Norton
@BenjaminNorton
50,000 protesters came to the huge peace rally in Berlin, Germany today.

They are demanding an end to Europe's escalation of the NATO proxy war in Ukraine and immediate peace talks
1989   NuttBoxer   2023 Feb 26, 1:59pm  

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dark-trend-martial-law-vigilantism-and-public-humiliation-ukraine

If there's worse stuff going on in Russia, I haven't heard about it. How far does it have to go before people will admit there are no winners, and Ukraine is not now, or ever was a country to support?


1990   Patrick   2023 Feb 26, 4:23pm  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-world-has-enough-trouble/


If you think about it at all, can you come up with any good reasons why our country has involved itself in the Ukraine war? To defend democracy, many say? An emptier platitude does not exist in the vast slippery lexicon of spin. To thwart Russia’s imperial overreach? You apparently have no clue about Ukraine’s history, ancient or modern. To incite an overthrow of the wicked Putin by his own people? The Russian president is more popular there now than even John F. Kennedy was here in 1962.

There actually are no good reasons for what we are doing in Ukraine, only bad reasons. Mainly, stoking the war there diverts Americans’ attention from our own problems, which is to say the titanic failures of America’s political establishment. The USA is falling apart from a combination of mismanagement, malice, and negligence. Our economy is a tottering scaffold of Ponzi schemes. Our institutions are wrecked. The government lies about everything it does. The news industry ratifies all the lying. Our schoolchildren can’t read or add up a column of numbers. Our food is slow-acting poison. Our medical-pharma matrix has just completed the systematic murder and maiming of millions. Our culture has been reduced to a drag queen twerk-fest. Our once-beautiful New World landscape is a demolition derby. Name something that hasn’t been debauched, perverted, degenerated, or flat-out destroyed.

And so, the “Joe Biden” show is busy ginning up nuclear war hysteria because that’s all it has left for manipulating public emotion. The Covid-19 derangement lost its mojo in 2022 and the population has only just begun to grok the all-causes death disaster underway courtesy of Pfizer and Moderna (and the CDC with the FDA). Did you notice, by the way, that the CDC just added those unapproved, still-experimental shots to the childhood vaccine schedule, considered official “guidance” that is followed by virtually every school system in America. Rochelle Walensky did that despite massive evidence that the “vaccines” damage children’s hearts, nervous systems, reproductive systems, and immune systems?

Do you know why Ms. Walensky did that? Because adding the mRNA shots to the childhood schedule supposedly confers permanent immunity from legal liability for the drug companies, even after the current emergency use authorization (EUA) runs out. The catch to that cozy arrangement is if there was any fraud committed on the public in the release and administration of those products, the companies lose their immunity and can be sued until there is nothing left of them but the paperclips. Plus, the executives may be liable for criminal prosecution. Hard time.

One Brook Jackson, a technician involved in the sketchy Pfizer drug trials, and who directly witnessed the procedural violations as they occurred, is currently suing Pfizer under the False Claims Act (31 U.S. Code § 3729) saying that the company defrauded the government. Pfizer’s lawyers have asked the judge to dismiss the case on the grounds, they said in court, that, “We did not defraud the government. We delivered the fraud that the government ordered.” So now, millions of schoolchildren in this land will be subject to compulsory harmful mRNA shots in order to cover the Pharma companies’ multi-billion-dollar asses. Doesn’t that sum up our national predicament nicely? Way to go, Rochelle. Don’t think nobody noticed.

It’s also worth pondering whether we are neck-deep in the Ukraine morass because Volodymyr Zelensky is blackmailing “Joe Biden” over the mysterious Biden Family business operations that took place there directly following the US-orchestrated Maidan revolution that overthrew Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovich in 2014. Remember “The Big Guy’s” earnest efforts to get rid of the Ukrainian state prosecutor who was looking into the affairs of the Burisma gas company that invited Hunter Biden and his associate Devon Archer onto the board of directors. Of all people in Western Civ… these two Americans… with no knowledge of or experience in the natgas industry. Weird, a little bit. Do you suppose Mr. Zelensky still has the prosecutor’s files in his possession?

Then, of course, there is the bizarre matter of the Nord Stream pipelines caper, lately disclosed by the scrupulous reporter, Seymour Hersh, as a US naval operation. We blew them up. Four EU member Nations (also US NATO allies) held a combined half-ownership in the pipelines (the other half held by Russia). European industry and households depended on a steady supply of that reasonably-priced gas to continue modern life there. Both President “Joe Biden” and Deputy Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, promised the news media (and the American public) that the pipeline would “be no more” if a Russian military operation crossed into the Donbas. Well, sonofabitch, the pipelines were “no more” as of last September.

Was that an injury to Russia? Well, yes, though Russia has found work-arounds for selling its natgas elsewhere than northern Europe. Do you realize, though, that it was every bit as much an act-of-war against our supposed allies? None of the NATO countries with a stake in the North Streams have made a peep so far about the shocking disclosure. Which may lead a casual observer to ask whether Western Civ has gone plumb insane. Maybe so, in which, case perhaps, it deserves to suffer. After a while — not such a long while, either — modern life will be but a memory in northern Europe.

Somehow the specter of unintended consequences looms over all this mischief. My guess is we just haven’t seen them yet… and when we do, they will be ferocious. For starters, NATO will be another thing that is no more. And our country will have to go about our blustering war-hawkery without any back-up or convenient staging-areas for fomenting more shenanigans in a far-away region where we have no real national interest, just a certain zeal for creating unnecessary trouble and hardship in a world that already has more than it requires.

Remember what his old boss, Barack Obama, said about the former Veep: “You can never overstate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” What a prophet that man is! Under “Joe Biden,” the USA has been slip-sliding sideways and backwards into a realm of darkness unimaginable a few years ago. But now, something is heaving through the public sensibility, as spring marches north in America. It feels like a sharp change in attitude, a refusal to continue acting like a reality-optional society. It’s crackling through the air like a rumor of liberation in a hostage crisis. Can you hear it?


I mostly agree, except for his assertion that the war "diverts Americans’ attention from our own problems". I don't think Nuland and Blinken's war diverts Americans' attention all that much. The motive for the war is mostly just the desire to expand US military power yet further into Eastern Europe. Empires expand as much as they can. And maybe there's some truth to the assertion that US Jews in power, like Nuland and Blinken, simply hate Russia for perceived historical wrongs.
1991   Patrick   2023 Feb 26, 4:24pm  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/between-that-rock-and-the-hard-place/


Secret Agent Man “Joe Biden” turned up in Kiev Monday morning after landing in Poland and riding an overnight choo-choo train across the Ukraine frontier to avoid the hazardous pomp of landing Air Force One in a war zone. One might try to guess the message Victoria Nuland sent her errand boy to deliver. My guess is that “JB” was there to tell Wolodymyr Zelensky the USA stands behind him one hundred percent — an obvious whopper — being exactly the opposite of the developing reality that, short of setting off nuclear Armageddon, there is really nothing the USA can do to prevent Russia from concluding our ill-conceived project on its own terms. Who better to deliver an arrant falsehood than the master, “Scranton Joe,” he who once battled and vanquished the tyrant Corn-Pop!

Remember, last week Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Mark Milley, speaking out of the aperture between his butt cheeks, announced that Russia had lost “strategically, operationally and tactically” in Ukraine. This was after NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg announced rather clumsily that Ukraine’s army was out of ammo, especially artillery shells, and the only remedy for that was for Europe to rebuild an armaments industry — which was a sideways-and-backwards way of saying… fuggeddabowdit.

One might also suppose that, behind all this cognitive dissonance, the US would be engaged in secret talks with Russia to arrive at some face-saving device for getting out of this mess. But really, what is our leverage for that? Can we threaten to put US boots-on-the-Ground in Ukraine? That would be a little like channeling Gen. George Armstrong Custer, don’t you think? Apparently, all we’re left with is a game of pretend, using the Pretender-in-Chief as the front.

I’d also venture to say that American voters are not so enthused about this Ukraine pageant as they seemed to be last summer when the yellow and blue flags popped up on front porches at every Woked-up clam-bake from Edgartown to Bar Harbor. Our Ukrainian proxies sure seemed to be giving those Ruskies what-for along the front lines in Donbas, payback, you understand, for helping Donald Trump steal the 2016 election from She Whose Turn It Was Supposed to Be… America’s Amazonian Caesar-in-a-pants-suit, HRC.

The fall offensive by Ukraine was an illusion, alas, setting up its army for methodical decimation, now nearly complete. So, too, is all the talk of sending tanks in to save the day. And so, too, is the very existence of NATO as anything other than window-dressing on an empty storefront. If blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines, as recently alleged by independent reporter Seymour Hersh, smells like an attack on our supposed ally, Germany, then how was it not an attack on NATO, in which Germany is the centerpiece? And, finally, why would Germany not be engaging in secret talks of its own with Russia, behind America’s back?

Intrigue must be rife now throughout Europe, and Americans will not hear anything about it from its Deep State-owned news media. Is there any reason why Europe could not live with a neutralized Ukraine? Of course not. Ukraine is in uproar now simply because geniuses in the US State Department thought it would be a good way to annoy and antagonize Russia. The project was insane from inception. The main result is that Europe will no longer have the natural gas it needs at a rational price to continue being an industrial society.

One must conclude that NATO is looking for a way out of this. But there is no way out except to declare by word or deed, directly or otherwise, that NATO has outlived the reason for its existence. Any sane analysis by Europeans would arrive at the unnerving realization that the USA has become the enemy of NATO, not Russia. If all that is so, then a seismic shift is underway that will leave America hung out to dry on the Ukraine project. Germany will have to make a deal with Russia to rebuild the Nord Streams. What could the US do about that? Impose sanctions on Germany, France, the Netherlands, and the rest of the bunch? Where does that leave Western Civ?

I’ll tell you: it leaves Western Civ diminished. It leaves our country to stew in its own rancid economic and financial juices in abject isolation from, basically, the rest of the world. (Fare-thee-well hegemonic dream; hello multi-polarity!) It leaves Ukraine neutralized and no longer a problem… It leaves Russia able to feel secure in its borders and free to get on with being a normal nation… and it leaves Europe the hope that it can resume modern life a while longer with the familiar comforts and conveniences.

The end of the Ukraine conflict also exposes the rotten web of Globalist schemers who planted their operators in every niche of American life and all around Western Civ — George Soros’s empire of meddling NGOs, Bill Gates’s World Health Org puppet show, the ridiculous World Economic Forum’s network of stooges in high places from Justin Trudeau to BlackRock’s Larry Fink.

The end of the Ukraine conflict reveals the submission of the Democratic Party to nefarious interests intent on wrecking this country. Even the most benign end to the Ukraine conflict — such as, by default, Europe and Russia settling-up on their own to stop the fighting — will be another humiliation for “Joe Biden” and the crew behind him, as bad as the last days in Kabul. Their other crimes await full disclosure, everything from treasonous bribery to the fraud and genocide around Covid-19. There will have to be a severe political realignment in America. But before that can happen, expect many seasons of terrible disorder.
1993   Patrick   2023 Feb 26, 5:30pm  

At first I didn't believe they did the body double thing with Zelensky, but now I'm not sure:

https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1629495776928841728?ref_src=patrick.net




1995   socal2   2023 Feb 27, 10:42am  

Life sure has sucked under Pax Americana!

We need a multi-polar world and get back to the killing fields!

Also - as if the USSR/Russia is not responsible for Marxist insurgencies all over Africa, South America and Asia?


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