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What I wanna know is how many lawsuits will there be to stop this? Think Kaiser or Hoag or any other private hospital/insurance group is going to take being effectively nationalized lying down? I predict that this law will be tied up in the courts for years, maybe even decades.

Lemme guess...government employees get a 1.5% raise. That way they don't feel the effects of the higher tax at all.

I always assumed the health care providers were the ones pushing for this. Seems to me its good for business if health care becomes a "right" and the specifics of what things are covered and what isnt is determined by easily purchased politicians, instead of free market competition (or, what remnants of competition are left in health care).

-Every human becomes a customer with high coverage levels.
-No more "that isnt covered, sorry", because that would be inhumane.
-Whats it cost to provide this? Who cares, the taxpayer is paying, instead of the individual.
-Reduces incentives to take care of your own health, which is good for health care companies treating your ever increasingly sick ass, while charging the taxpayer for it.

I can only imagine how incredibly large the dollars involved in this scheme are. And will continue to be - future politicians that sell a sob story to sucker ass voters about how we need to increase coverage because "poor marthas child died due to lack of treatment" will be rewarded with large monetary stipends from "health care inc."

Dems do seem to be good at juicing real estate prices though, and I think handouts are a big part of their strategy. Free healthcare will attract more low income warm bodies to CA to "collect their human rights", which benefits many business owners and real estate holders via the increased demand of a surging population.

HunterTits says

Payroll tax for employers with 50 or more resident employees of 1.25%

That all by itself is going to limit growth.

I guess it didn’t pass! Not enough Democrats voted for it. Can’t confirm yet but my source is reliable.

Hircus says

Free healthcare will attract more low income warm bodies to CA to "collect their human rights"

The whole fucking Latin America and half of Africa will move in through the fucking open border we have.

HunterTits says

Payroll tax for employers with 50 or more resident employees of 1.25%

Notice is said resident employees. If you hire non-residents, they probably dont count towards the 50 limit.

Little tricks like this kill the country by a thousand cuts, making hiring foreigners more appealing.

Fuck!

Better stay healthy and not get into any accidents.

At what point did California turn into dystopia?

“SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- California Democrats on Monday failed to gather enough support to advance a government-funded universal health care system, succumbing to intense pressure from business groups and the insurance industry in an election year.

The bill had to pass by midnight on Monday to have a chance at becoming law this year. But it never came up for a vote after its Democratic author, Assemblymember Ash Kalra, realized it would not pass.

It became clear that we did not have the votes necessary for passage, and I decided the best course of action is to not put AB 1400 for a vote today," Kalra said.

While the measure would have created a universal health care system and set its rules, it did not say how much that system would cost or how the government would pay for it. Democrats had filed another bill that would impose hefty new taxes on businesses and individuals, hoping to separate the two issues.

Still, debate about the bill had been dominated by costs. A study of a 2017 proposal in California estimated it would cost $331 billion, which is about $356 billion today when adjusted for inflation.

But California is on pace to spend about $517 billion on health care in 2022, according to an analysis by a commission established by Gov. Gavin Newsom to study universal health care. The largest chunk of that is from employers and households, followed by the federal government.

California's total operating budget - which pays for public schools, courts, roads and bridges and other important services - is roughly $262 billion this year.

The California Nurses Association, which has pushed for the legislation for years, condemned the decision not to call the bill for a vote, saying it provided "cover for those who would have been forced to go on the record about where they stand on guaranteed health care for all people in California."

"Nurses are especially outraged that Kalra chose to just give up on patients across the state. Nurses never give up on our patients, and we will keep fighting with our allies in the grassroots movement," the association said in a news release.

Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon, a Democrat from Lakewood, said he was "deeply disappointed" Kalra decided not to call the bill for a vote.

"With time, we will have better and more successful legislation to bring us closer to this goal," Rendon said. "I expect more and more of my colleagues to sign on, so we can make California a health care justice leader."


https://abc7news.com/ab-1400-status-california-universal-health-care-bill-calcare-sb-866/11527169/?source=patrick.net

Shaman says

succumbing to intense pressure from business groups and the insurance industry in an election year.

ah. It's the insurance industry that doesn't want this. They would be totally replaced by single payer.

Why stop at healthcare? Just have the state take over all enterprises and do away with that pesky profit motive.

What could possibly go wrong?

Looks like Californians don't get free healthcare after all.


You guys just dodged a bullet.

They will be back with more of that shit.

Instead of focusing on what sickcare insurance we get, we should be focusing on whether we need it in the first place. You really want to continue participating in a system that prevents you from seeing dying relatives, coerces you to take experimental injections, and takes you off transplant lists if you don't? Have some fucking standards.

Thank god there wasn’t support for that shit.

NuttBoxer says

You really want to continue participating in a system that prevents you from seeing dying relatives, coerces you to take experimental injections, and takes you off transplant lists if you don't?

Exactly. If the state controls access to healthcare, it can mandate the conditions by which “healthcare for all” is distributed and who qualifies as an eligible person.
No thanks. I’ll keep the healthcare I actually work for.