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Fuck Joe Biden!
Never gonna vax!

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Context: Previously, some federal contractors were expected to enforce a vaccine mandate by Dec. 8, which has now been pushed back to Jan. 4. Officials would not comment on whether the date was pushed back due to the holiday season or worker shortages, but said the delay was meant to "align" with health care facilities and U.S. employers.

And they'll just take their paid time off anyway. This administration is awful and moronic. Like these contractors cannot find other work, and get a 2-3 weeks vacation during the holiday season? What's not good about that? And they'll get UE. Lol.

Shaman says

Fuck Joe Biden!
Never gonna vax!

Truth. I may eventually vax 3-5 years after these trials are complete and it's approved. No chance in hell over the next 24 months minimum for sure and probably never in all reality. There's no point for someone my age and health.

He's going to shut down the fucking country over a flu bug. One that overweight Trump survived. One that my wife's obese 70 year old alcoholic uncle survived. Not even a doc visit besides to get tested because he was feeling off. This has been unreal the whole time, but how does it keep getting worse?

WookieMan says

how does it keep getting worse?

I think that satanic CEO Bourla and the rest of the Pfizer-Blackrock-government complex have concluded that they can do whatever they want and they have nothing to fear from the people at all, because US democracy is rigged and the media keeps half the population convinced that the other half is "racist" if they object to being injected.

It will be interesting to see how far they can push this. Children are already starting to die from the vaxx.

Read the AP article, this is completely toothless. Highlights:

Jab or test
OSHEA will rely on snitches to enforce

Mandates are done. The tide has turned. We are winning!

Same thing happened with the CA recall.

Right after Newsom supposedly won, he demanded that all children in CA be jabbed.

NuttBoxer says

Read the AP article, this is completely toothless. Highlights:

Jab or test
OSHEA will rely on snitches to enforce

Mandates are done. The tide has turned. We are winning!

The whole mandate thing won't fly. They are just turning people off to it. The only people actually who might try to enforce it are large corporations and gov't.

They can't run without people though. lol.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/union-pacific-backs-off-bidens-vaccine-mandates-44-union-workers-get-vaxxed/

Union Pacific Backs Off Biden’s Vaccine Mandates after Only 44% of Union Workers get Vaxxed
By Jim Hoft
Published November 4, 2021 at 9:37am

Patrick says

It will be interesting to see how far they can push this. Children are already starting to die from the vaxx.

If they are really killing children purposely for money, do you really think my suggested retribution is unreasonable?

You don't need to answer that, but you know I'm right. If this is a purposeful extinction event this can't be limited to just the people that did it. If this is what they are doing, they were purposely wiping out families by murder. We must be as equally vicious, and at the same time, far more compassionate but outcomes have to be the same.

Purposeful, planned extinction of a genetic line.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

By the numbers: More than 222 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose of the vaccine. About 70% of adults are fully vaccinated, per the CDC.

Is this True, or does anybody think they're exaggerating by 10, 20, 30% to create a bandwagon illusion?

NuttBoxer says

Read the AP article, this is completely toothless. Highlights:

Jab or test
OSHEA will rely on snitches to enforce

Mandates are done. The tide has turned. We are winning!

It's bluster.

I'm betting ornery assholes, White or Black, and esp. Males, are the least vaccinated. The very people they want vaccinated the most.

No chance my sons are getting vaccinated, I can and will homeschool if necessary.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Is this True, or does anybody think they're exaggerating by 10, 20, 30% to create a bandwagon illusion?

Definitely. The only question is how much.

@Patrick , check this out:
The COVID States Project #58: High public support for mandating vaccines
https://osf.io/6wcn9/

Great example of clerisy/Organized Scientism Propaganda. In addition to the Knight Foundation and other shady donors, the data was provided by Amazon.

Not only do I not believe anything like 60-70% of the population is vaccinated (certainly not double vaxed), but I don't believe that 60%+ of Americans support mandatory vaccinations.

First, if they did, Biden's numbers would go UP, not down.
Second, similar surveys have 45% of Republicans in favor of mandatory vaccinations.

The latter being bullshit on so many levels you could go into the fertilizer business with it.

There's states that barely lean Republican that are banning mandates, so that claim sure is odd. Since those Governors would not only piss off all Democrats, but most independents AND half the Republicans. I would say maybe 10-20% of Republicans at best support mandates, which would be NeverTrumpers plus maybe a handful of a few really Old and Scared people.

about 66.6% of the eligible U.S. population have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine

Maybe this is deliberately mocking the public with 666 again, like that law number.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

By the numbers: More than 222 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose of the vaccine. About 70% of adults are fully vaccinated, per the CDC.

Is this True, or does anybody think they're exaggerating by 10, 20, 30% to create a bandwagon illusion?

I think it is possible that in blue brainwashed parts of the country the majority are clot shot victims, but nationally it is hard to believe that 70% have consented to an experiment that could harm them. This reeks of propaganda.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

I would say maybe 10-20% of Republicans at best support mandates, which would be NeverTrumpers plus maybe a handful of a few really Old and Scared people.

That seems right to me. When I was canvassing for the recall, one old lady told me (from behind the door) that she was a Republican but she like Gavin because “he has balls!” So I gathered she liked the Covidian stuff.
Her house went up for sale this week, so I guess she probably died. All that fear and she was headed to the same place anyway.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

By the numbers: More than 222 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose of the vaccine. About 70% of adults are fully vaccinated, per the CDC.

Is this True, or does anybody think they're exaggerating by 10, 20, 30% to create a bandwagon illusion?

I thought the numbers were high being spouted out a couple weeks or months back. I'm actually starting to believe them. Pretty much everyone I've asked has the vaccine fully.

I actually am starting to believe this was just a HUGE fuck up by government. They bought all these vaccines thinking people would want them. 30% don't want them. These bought and paid for vaccines, likely with kickbacks and insider trading, are sitting on the shelf so they resort to shaming people for their financial fuck up. The Biden admin is scared of something is the way I look at it. I can't go a day without seeing someone getting a shot on TV (on in the background, not watching).

I don't think it's as nefarious as some believe, though who knows. Not happy with my wife's reaction though. I won't take it because of my genetics. My uncle is the longest surviving on my dad's side of the family by a long shot and he's about to hit 70. Most of the previous generations died of heart attacks/failure by 45-50. I have high BP mostly under control, but I know I could get a medical exemption.

I also don't trust your "office" doctors as I like to call them. It's no different than going to a State Farm office. Sure they'll get you auto insurance, but is it the best? Likely no. They are the doctors that got the paper degree, but weren't good enough to specialize in something. So they have a nurse take your temp, BP, check ears and throat and throw pills at you. Fucking eye doctors find more diseases or issues than your typical urgent care doc.

WookieMan says

I actually am starting to believe this was just a HUGE fuck up by government. They bought all these vaccines thinking people would want them. 30% don't want them.

Nope not a “mistake” this whole thing is deliberate and preplanned. They call it a plandemic for a reason, it is being used as a catalyst for the great reset new world order global government, economic and religious takeover.

Think of the vaxx as a shit test, they are testing us to see how much shit we will take. Thankfully today at least 30% won’t eat the shit. But now they know who the shit eaters are, and who the abstainers are. The target is on the abstainers, because they have demonstrated they will not be easily controlled. They must be re-educated or eliminated. That is the next step for these totalitarian godless bastards (And yes, that includes any “religious leader” who advocates for mandates).

PeopleUnited says

Think of the vaxx as a shit test, they are testing us to see how much shit we will take. Thankfully today at least 30% won’t eat the shit. But now they know who the shit eaters are, and who the abstainers are. The target is on the abstainers, because they have demonstrated they will not be easily controlled. They must be re-educated or eliminated. That is the next step for these totalitarian godless bastards (And yes, that includes any “religious leader” who advocates for mandates).

They're pivoting to Global Warming already.

But the next physical step is Cash Free Society.

It's going to be pushed on three primary arguments, both bullshit: 1) That Cash is Expensive to Produce (it isn't) and 2) Cash helps spread disease (it doesn't) and 3) Paper and Metal Coins somehow hurt the environment (It's negligible)

However, the one problem with banning cash is the huge moneymaker that Human Smuggling and Drug Trafficking is, and Elites make a fortune from that activity.

As far as fake-Covid and vaccines are concerned, we are in a dense fog bank filled with speculation. Vaccine rates are lower than they want or they wouldn't be so thuggish, mendacious or hysterical about pushing them. Also, all kinds of people will just fake to give the appearance of conformity, lying when they have no vaccine or not getting seconds or boosters. Nobody really knows how many people got placebos or saline. I would bet a C note at least that a very large majority of physicians and health professionals faked their vaccine status and that of their families, because it would be easy for them to do so and most shouldn't be that dumb to actually take them.

We just don't know, and everything that is claimed to be known and what is claimed to be known iis essentially disinformation. I would not personally put the vaccination rate at higher than 45 percent anywhere.

The lady that does my hair, after her horrific experience with the jab, says she will not have any boosters. Strange, I spent a few conversations telling her not to get it, she then announced for the usual sucker-punch altruism that she was going to get it. I slipped and said 'Oh, I hope you survive!' and then bit my tongue. The reports of adverse effects came later, and she just recently admitted she was in very bad condition for four months even after over a week of acute, deep illness after the second shsot, but didn't mention the obvious memory problems.

Ceffer says

We just don't know, and everything that is claimed to be known and what is claimed to be known iis essentially disinformation. I would not personally put the vaccination rate at higher than 45 percent anywhere.

I agree. I think it's somewhere around 50% in the USA.

It's also the WRONG people. Why they want to enslave everybody, the group they really want to get is Suburban and Rural White Males. They know they have the LookitmeSoSmartAndVirtuousAndHip Coastal Bohemian Bourgeoisie.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

They're pivoting to Global Warming already.

Well, actually they are just circling around to gloBull warming. But that is not all they are doing. They are erasing history (literally topping and removing monuments), censoring and/vilifying any speech that doesn’t fit the narrative, destroying the ability of the free market economy to function, they are normalizing mental illness and deviant/unnatural desires, they control most churches, most universities, And key positions of power in most local, state and national governments, they control most media. I agree they are going to push for digital currency soon, perhaps even a universal global digital currency, but it will likely be attached to vaxx status, and you are right it could also have a gloBull warming component seeking to tax people (middle class, not the wealthy) based on their “privilege” and “carbon footprint.”

Before too long the world will be divided into 10 regions with a leader for each of these political regions. And when that happens it will not be long before that man of sin is revealed.

PeopleUnited says

Before too long the world will be divided into 10 regions with a leader for each of these political regions. And when that happens it will not be long before that man of sin is revealed.

I almost envy your faith. The certainty.

The saying "god helps those that helps themselves" is literally true. What angers me about religion, is that I believe their faith stirs them into INACTION. We could stop this shit, but only if we worked collectively. Interesting times.

The Christians are preventing this from happening to the extent that when the Christians are gone (think of the story of how Abraham prayed for the city, that God would not destroy it, and God agreed to spare it if He could find 10 righteous men) that is why Christians are important, and why God commands Christians to spread the Gospel. If you were a Christian, your very existence would be a hindrance to the wicked one‘s plans for destroying humanity and God’s creation.

Humans are God’s beloved creatures, so much that He left the comfort of heaven and eternal peace, to come down, suffer the life of a mortal man and died an excruciating death, in order to pay the debt for their unrighteousness. If you believe in right and wrong, you will no doubt realize that at times you and I do things that are wrong. Those are the things God hates, and has to punish, but in His love, he agreed to take the punishment on Himself for all who believe that they need a Savior and trust God to do what He said He would do. He will even give you the faith to believe it, if you will let Him.

You, don’t need to join a church, or give an offering, that is not what God wants from you. “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/rom.10.9.kjv

If you truly do this with your whole heart you will still be a sinner, and everyone around you will still see your wickedness and at times hypocrisy, but God will see you as righteousness because you will be washed in the blood of the righteous Lamb of God that was the fulfillment of all those Old Testament promises and temple rituals.

PeopleUnited says

The Christians are preventing this from happening to the extent that when the Christians are gone (think of the story of how Abraham prayed for the city, that God would not destroy it, and God agreed to spare it if He could find 10 righteous men) that is why Christians are important, and why God commands Christians to spread the Gospel. If you were a Christian, your very existence would be a hindrance to the wicked one‘s plans for destroying humanity and God’s creation.

This is where my envy lies, you are blindly certain. You have conviction of being absolutely right. I can but won't pick away at that conviction.

From my point of view, the way to stabilize society is to expose corruption. The difficulty in doing this is that you have to appeal to logic and reason. With religion, if you're an authority within that, you just say "this is so" and they believe it.

If the authority is corrupt, they just make it worse. Religion depends on good men to be authorities.

PeopleUnited says

Humans are God’s beloved creatures, so much that He left the comfort of heaven and eternal peace, to come down, suffer the life of a mortal man and died an excruciating death, in order to pay the debt for their unrighteousness

I've already pointed out this doesn't make sense. This would mean God Himself must follow rules. Who imposed the rule that he had to do this? Or if he created a son, that He had to put him through torture and death?

PeopleUnited says

If you believe in right and wrong

And man have I researched this concept. There's a very interesting concept of evolutionary psychology. That is, those ideas that people have that are most likely to allow the organism to survive, reproduce, and to bear offspring will survive. This can explain views on homosexuality, suicide, murder, masturbation, etc. What's intriguing about this concept is you can apply it to any animal that lives in a social group. It's testable, and it seems to have good evidence that the general hypothesis is correct.

Freud thought everything was about sex. In a way, he was right. He was ultimately wrong, he didn't get down to the core of it, if evolutionary psychology is the correct hypothesis. Perhaps evolutionary psychology is incorrect (people do get infatuated with it), but it's a very useful way of thinking of things. It can be tested and evaluated, it will ultimately be proven to be correct or wrong in time. There's an orthodoxy among "psychologists" that denounce evolutionary psychology because it threatens their profession. It would move psychology from a soft science, to a hard one.

PeopleUnited says

If you truly do this with your whole heart you will still be a sinner, and everyone around you will still see your wickedness and at times hypocrisy, but God will see you as righteousness because you will be washed in the blood of the righteous Lamb of God that was the fulfillment of all those Old Testament promises and temple rituals.

Again, I appreciate your conviction, if not passion in this.

I'm in a world with multitudes of cultures. There's people that have never heard of "Christianity" and had no opportunity to hear it, but I still thing good people exist in those societies.

If there is a God, and that's a big IF, I'm firmly and probably intractably of the opinion that it's like Freud's psychoanalysis. That there's something below that like evolutionary psychology will fairly well explain most (if not all) of Freud's CORRECT ideas.

There really is something wonderful in picking apart "how things work". People not interested in science or basic discovery think that understanding a mechanism destroys your appreciation for the outcome. It's exactly the opposite for me. When you get right down to it and understand how, say, a snowflake forms, and why it forms that way, and see how it all comes together, it's amazing and beautiful.

In any case, religion at this point to me, is merely people grasping at something they don't understand and it's religion itself that prevent investigation into the true origins. If there's a God, I want to understand how it works. You'd be surprised how simple systems can produce extremely complex results that seem "designed", but they are just following rules.

In genetic algorithms, you can easily understand the rules, but damned if I don't think anybody can really understand the results. You can see how it works, but it's so complicated following it, it takes forever to analyze.

It comes down to this: Christians believe that they are created in the image of God. Therefore, they share in the divinity of God. This means that for a government or ruler, etc. to degrade or defile a human being is to commit an act of abominable blasphemy against God. This imposes limits on what "christian" rulers can impose on their subjects.

This is also why Christianity is actively being destroyed - so that the special status of humans as revealed in the Bible is revoked, so that humans can go back to being treated like animals under the pagans.

This is my interpretation of the role of Christian religion. In the centuries and millennia before the age of enlightenment and the US Constitution, Ur-Christianity (not the corrupted version that developed later) affirmed the value of human life and the need to respect such life. Anyone who believes in human dignity and unalienable rights can find common purpose, and indeed should join in common effort, with Christians who maintain these principles.

richwicks says

Religion depends on good men to be authorities.

No, it depends on the word of God...the Bible.

stereotomy says

Therefore, they share in the divinity of God. This means that for a government or ruler, etc. to degrade or defile a human being is to commit an act of abominable blasphemy against God.

I often say God is equal to Free Will/Freedom.

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

Religion depends on good men to be authorities.

No, it depends on the word of God...the Bible.

My experience with Christians is very few, if any, actually read the Bible.

They listen to authorities. Quite often very corrupt, and obviously corrupt "men of god".

As an atheist, I dabbled in the idea of creating a "good religion". Simple and easy concepts to understand, a very clear morality, but I cannot engage in such fraud. I think other people could, and did.

The strength of a theory is in it's predictive power.

Theism/Deism predicted a beginning to the Cosmos. There is one, the Big Bang. And it also Stretches across the Heavens (Inflation) which is a lesser proof of a starting moment.

Naturalists, prior to the acceptance of the Big Bang (which began as an insult term from Steady State advocates) expected an eternal Steady State Universe that always was (back when the Galaxy was considered the extent of the Universe), and it is demonstrably not so. Naturalists now have to turn to "Exotic" explanations (evidence Free Multi-Verse) or use Special Pleading and deny the essence of logic and science - everything that exists had a cause except Muh Cosmos, in order to maintain their naturalistic worldview.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Theism/Deism predicted a beginning to the Cosmos. There is one. And it also Stretches across the Heavens (Inflation).

There is quite a bit of evidence suggesting the Big Bang never happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkhRibBllU

This is not incongruent with atheism. It only means the current scientific model is wrong, and I strongly suspect there is. Dark matter is bullshit (I currently think.) It's an ENTIRELY theoretical creation to try to make our current model of the Big Bang work.

The Big Bang was a concept that Georges Lemaître championed. He was a Jesuit priest. Jesuits, they're pretty damned well educated but I think at this point, he may very well have been wrong.

In science, you must give up your beliefs in an instant when they are proven to be incorrect. I think the Big Bang may be proven to be incorrect shortly although it may be taught as being "true" for long after that.

The concept of science is quite new. We are clearly still struggling with it. I'm convinced people much more intelligent and educated than me are off in the weeds. Climate Change, that I'm certain is entirely wrong.

richwicks says

This is not incongruent with atheism. It only means the current scientific model is wrong, and I strongly suspect there is. Dark matter is bullshit (I currently think.) It's an ENTIRELY theoretical creation to try to make our current model of the Big Bang work.

Yes, Dark Matter is a problem, we need more evidence for 80% of the Universe's apparent mass other than "it must be there"

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Yes, Dark Matter is a problem, we need more evidence for 80% of the Universe's apparent mass other than "it must be there"

Yes - I feel the same way. When "dark matter" was proposed, but it was impossible to see and impossible to measure or detect in any way - that was a problem for me.

I suspect that the idea of the Big Bang is wrong. It's not a big deal, many hypotheses that were once held as fact turned out to be false. I won't be shaken is this is another, but it's interesting to see it within my lifespan.

My only concern is there may be a religious adherence to the idea. I think we were all taught that the Big Bang happened, but there is growing evidence, it did not. This may not be an eternal universe, and it may not have sprung out of nothing. That may be a false dichotomy, and we're just too fucking stupid to realize it is.

richwicks says

In science, you must give up your beliefs in an instant when they are proven to be incorrect.

demonize.
I thought science was never settled.

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

In science, you must give up your beliefs in an instant when they are proven to be incorrect.

demonize.
I thought science was never settled.

In science, you only prove what is wrong, you never prove what is correct.

When a hypothesis is shown to be wrong, you must abandon it.

What isn't proven to be incorrect are possibilities, not certainties. What most people take for granted as "being obvious" isn't. It's a result of many tests.

We know for a FACT that Quantum Mechanics and/or Relativity MUST be wrong. One, or the other, or both. But both are useful models, but they are both PROBABLY wrong, and one CERTAINLY is. One cannot be reduced to the other.

Even if we get a theory of everything, that works with all observations and makes reliable and accurate predictions, we can't know it's correct - it's just that the model works really well - so no, the science is never settled.

richwicks says

This is where my envy lies, you are blindly certain.

It’s called faith. You have faith too, if nothing else “logic” and “reason” (human reasoning, science and philosophy) seem to be things which you hold in esteem and confidence.

richwicks says

This would mean God Himself must follow rules. Who imposed the rule that he had to do this? Or if he created a son, that He had to put him through torture and death?

A man made creation is the game of golf. What would you think if the creator of the game of golf decided the rules don’t apply to him and he can just do whatever he wants and give himself whatever score he wants, but everyone else must follow his rules? God apparently made rules for Himself that even He can’t break. One of them is that He can’t lie. Another one is apparently He cannot allow sin to go unpunished. When God created man, He knew man would sin, and He knew what it would cost Him to redeem man (and woman), but knowing this He did it anyway. It is a demonstration of Love.

richwicks says

My experience with Christians is very few, if any, actually read the Bible.

A surgeon must study anatomy (among other things) to become and remain a functional practitioner. A lawyer must study the law to become a functional litigator. A “Christian” who does not study the Bible and follow it to the exclusion of all else, is dysfunctional at best, and perhaps not even Christian at all.

richwicks says

My experience with Christians is very few, if any, actually read the Bible.

I read the whole bible in the year 2000, just to see what I was missing. The majority of it was not that compelling to me, lots of history and kings, etc, but the most famous parts were really good:

Genesis and Exodus are excellent, Leviticus is fun to me because I like rules. Numbers is unreadable, just genealogy of random-sounding names. Deuteronomy is more rules.

Ezekiel is inexplicable unless there were aliens landing back then. Read it with that in mind.

Ecclesiastes is the best book by far, imho, and not really about religion or God.

Proverbs has lots of good advice.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all excellent as well. John's my favorite because he's kind of woo-woo.

Patrick says

I read the whole bible in the year 2000, just to see what I was missing. The majority of it was not that compelling to me, lots of history and kings, etc, but the most famous parts were really good:

Speaking of "Kings," which parts of the Old Testament did you like best? The genocide or the incest?

It was pretty amazing how violent and sexual the Old Testament is.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

This is where my envy lies, you are blindly certain.

It’s called faith. You have faith too, if nothing else “logic” and “reason” (human reasoning, science and philosophy) seem to be things which you hold in esteem and confidence.

Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.

So of course I hold it in high esteem. We aren't even CLOSE to exploiting what we have today to its fullest.

Because we have a world wide communication system, it's just a matter of time before our governments won't be able to pass off lies to us anymore. We're JUST beginning to see the fruition of this - depressingly.

You have no idea how hurt and depressed I was to see that George W. Bush could STILL lie us into Iraq when so many people knew he was lying. I thought people were just hopelessly stupid - but no, it's just people weren't yet exploiting the Internet. I know they're trying to censor the net, but they will not be successful.

This covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.

richwicks says

Because we have a world wide communication system, it's just a matter of time before our governments won't allow us to tell the truth anymore. We're JUST beginning to see the fruition of this - depressingly.

Fixed it for you.


richwicks says

This covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.

I wish I had your faith. From my view they are just one or two moves from checkmate martial law lockdown, a fake or real war, a real pandemic and/or a fake alien invasion and it is game over, all rights will be taken, Free speech will be ended for your safety, and all dissent will be met with violence and/education camps.

If all else fails they will shut down the power grid. Game over, literally Luigi.