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One doctor with integrity among so many who have none


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‘I Had to Stand up and Try to Do Something:’ Professor of Medicine on Suing School Over Vaccine Mandate

BY JAN JEKIELEK AND ZACHARY STIEBER October 28, 2021

Dr. Aaron Kheriaty reacted to the COVID-19 pandemic like many other medical experts. He worked long hours as the United States tried to grapple with the new disease. He had too many conversations with family members whose loved ones were dying from it.

But as time wore on, he started noticing a pattern in public health decisions that seemed to diverge from traditional medical ethics, including an insistence that people at little risk from COVID-19 get a vaccine.

Kheriaty is now on suspension from the University of California, Irvine, (UCI) and challenging the school’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate in court.

“I had to stand up and try to do something about it,” the professor of psychiatry and director of the UCI Health’s Medical Ethics Program said on The Epoch Times’ “American Thought Leaders.”

"I knew that I would wake up in the morning & not have a clear conscience."

Deep-dive w/ medical ethics prof @akheriaty who filed a lawsuit challenging his university's #VaccineMandate. He was suspended & put on "investigatory leave."

🔴WATCH PART 1: https://t.co/gDuQ1J5jjn pic.twitter.com/E3ByL1pIWW

— Jan Jekielek (@JanJekielek) October 30, 2021

UCI spokespeople declined to comment for this story.

‘Liberating’

Kheriaty contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, in mid-2020. His infection was confirmed by two different tests from two independent labs. His five children and wife also contracted the disease. They all recovered, with none requiring hospital care.

“It was, for me, actually a very liberating experience afterward, because I didn’t have to worry about the illness anymore. I knew the science on natural immunity,” Kheriaty said.

Natural immunity refers to when people contract COVID-19 and recover. Dozens of studies have documented that these individuals enjoy strong immunity against CCP virus re-infection. Some of the studies suggest the immunity is superior to that provided by COVID-19 vaccines, particularly the Johnson & Johnson one.

“I knew that at that point, I was among the safest people to be around, I didn’t have to worry about transmitting the infection to my patients,” Kheriaty said.

He continued taking precautions, wearing personal protective equipment like masks as required at the hospital. But he was confident he didn’t pose a risk to others, which served as a relief.

That relief turned into disbelief when, around a year later, the University of California system, which includes UCI, imposed a COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

Opt-Out is Temporary

The mandate (pdf) included a natural immunity opt-out, but only temporarily. People who recovered from COVID-19 were told they would only be exempt from the mandate for up to 90 days after their diagnosis.

University officials cited the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which alleges that the antibody tests it has authorized “are not validated to evaluate specific immunity or protection from SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

SARS-CoV-2 is another name for the CCP virus.

“For this reason, individuals who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or had an antibody test are not permanently exempt from vaccination,” officials said.

The mandate violated rights outlined in the U.S. Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment, including equal protection and substantive due process, Kheriaty’s lawsuit asserts.

“Plaintiff is naturally immune to SARS-CoV-2. Therefore, plaintiff is at least as equally situated as those who are fully vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, yet defendants deny plaintiff equal treatment and seek to burden Plaintiff with an unnecessary violation of bodily integrity to which plaintiff does not consent in order to be allowed to continue to work at UCI,” it states.

The situation creates two classes, vaccinated and unvaccinated, when a more reasonable division would be those who are immune and those who are not, Kheriaty believes.

“What kind of discriminatory policies do we have in place that are excluding someone like me from the workplace when I’m 99.8 percent protected against reinfection whereas someone who got the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, by the company’s own data that they submitted to the FDA, is 67 percent protective against COVID infection?” he said.

Whose Burden?

Kheriaty initially planned to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Now he’s working to change the narrative around mandates. ...

Most mandates across the country don’t have alternatives for people who had COVID-19 and recovered.

Kheriaty proposes putting the burden of proof on people who want to opt out.

“Just have them go get the testing on their own time. You don’t have to administer the T-cell test or the antibody test. You don’t have to go dig up their old medical record establishing that they’ve already had COVID,” he said.

“Just ask them to bring that in and sign off on that as a kind of immunity passport.”

Side Effects ...

Kheriaty worries about other research that seems to show vaccine recipients with natural immunity experience side effects at a higher frequency than those who are not immune who get a shot.

“There are now about five independent studies that strongly suggest that individuals that already have natural immunity, when you vaccinate them, the risk of vaccine adverse events or vaccine side effects is higher for that group,” the professor said. “They have higher risk of side effects from the vaccine. It’s not going to help the people around them because natural immunity already is sterilizing, [yet] we don’t yet have any COVID vaccines that offer sterilizing immunity.”

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208   Patrick   2024 Feb 27, 3:32pm  

Patrick says

A leading cardiologist has raised the alarm over the devastating side effects of Covid mRNA shots, warning he has “never witnessed such harm from a therapeutic intervention.”


https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/leading-cardiologist-writes-to-the


Last week, Dr Dean Patterson wrote to the Chair of the Executive Board of the General Medical Council (GMC) in the UK, supporting Dr Aseem Malhotra’s calls for an investigation into unprecedented harms from the Covid-19 vaccines. ...

He believes that the medical establishment appears to be blind to the harm and is concerned that medical practice itself will be irreparably damaged by the fallout from the mishandling of the Covid vaccine side effects.
209   Patrick   2024 Mar 7, 10:29am  

https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/93362.html


I am a, I'm a pediatric hospitalist. I worked for St. Luke Hospital network and I spoke on 69 News against this very mandate. And it aired at 6 o'clock news and 3 hours later I was told not to come back to the hospital ever again because I spoke up against the mandate.

During morning rounds in the hospital I was asked by my colleagues, are you really going to take a stand for this? Are you going to risk losing everything you worked for? You loved teaching medical students and residents, is that worth the risk? You're going to, are you going to die on this hill of a vaccine?

And at that time, right in our little nursery, during morning rounds, I said, no, I'm not willing to die on the hill of a vaccine, but I am willing to die on the hill of liberty.
210   Patrick   2024 Mar 9, 11:36am  

https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/140424.html


THE DOCTORS ARE SPEAKING OUT!

original link

Mirror:
Ireland Doctors: The Dangers Of Injecting Children With COVID-19 Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vm3g8h-ireland-doctors-the-dangers-of-injecting-children-with-covid-19-vaccines.html

TRACEY O'MAHONEY, BARRISTER AT LAW: This video is sponsored by the Irish Council for Human Rights. In this presentation you will hear from prominent Irish doctors expressing their concerns about the potential dangers of administering this experimental vaccine to children. Please watch and listen carefully.

[cut]

TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Michael McConville GP 39 years medical experience

DR. MICHAEL MCCONVILLE GP: Thousands of doctors and scientists worldwide have studied the mountains of data now currently available about covid 19. These professionals have sincere and grave concerns about the mainstream story of this disease. To follow the science, we need first to debate the science. We need to disagree and challenge each other with the evidence so that we might find the truth. Unfortunately, social media and mainstream media censor alternative interpretations of the evidence, so that you, the people, cannot participate in the debate, and are thus poorly informed.

[cut]

TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Gerry Waters GP 44 years medical experience

DR. GERRY WATERS GP: At the start of the covid 19 vaccination campaign, Acting Chief Medical Officer Dr. Ronan Glynn [2] stated that they'd had no information to impart to those administering the vaccines regarding efficacy, transmission, length of protection, side effects, or need for boosters. The vaccinators in turn had no real information to pass on to the people they were vaccinating. There is no possibility of informed consent in the absence of information. Nine months later they have some information on the important elements of the vaccine and, as result of this information, in a world where reason, honesty, and medical ethics held sway, the vaccination campaign would be terminated immediately, never mind extended to children.

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TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Pat Morrissey GP 22 years of medical experience

DR. PAT MORRISSEY: The recent publication of Technical Briefing Number Twenty by Public Health England showed that 65% of those that died from covid were fully vaccinated. This means that the vaccine strategy is failing as the virus continues to evolve. This fact is corroborated by data from other highly vaccinated countries such as Iceland and Israel. These countries are experiencing surges in covid hospitalizations and deaths among those who are fully vaccinated. We must stop using these failing vaccines and instead focus on early treatment that works on all variants.

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TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Martin Feeley Vascular Surgeon 45 years medical experience

DR. MARTIN FEELEY VASCULAR SURGEON: From March 2020 we have consistently been told to do the right thing. And the right thing for parents has always been to protect their children. We know that giving your child the covid vaccine does not prevent them from catching the virus and does not stop them transmitting the virus to others. So, in other words, there's no benefit to your child or indeed to anybody else. On the other hand, these vaccines are not without risks, some of which are really serious. It is clear that in vaccinating your children there is no potential for doing good and huge potential for doing harm. So how can you as a parent say you are doing the right thing for your child?

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TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Billy Ralph GP 27 years medical experience

DR. BILLY RALPH GP: There are no benefits to young, healthy people from this vaccine. There are only risks. The risk of death from the vaccine is at least 4 times that of covid. The vaccines will not protect you from contracting the virus, nor will it prevent you from transmitting it, so you will not be protecting others. If you were taking it so that you can take part in society, ask yourself, when was the last time you had to undergo a medical procedure to go to the pub with a friend?

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TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Vincent Caroll GP 30 years medical experience

3:38 DR. VINCENT CAROLL GP: If you are considering vaccinating your child against covid, have you really thought it through? Or are you reacting to bullying and peer pressure? According to the Medicines and Health Care Product Regulatory Agency, MHRA in the UK, the risk to your child of an adverse event is 8,000 times greater than any benefit. The science tells us that covid poses little or no risk to young, healthy people. Are you really prepared to expose your child to all the risk while getting none of the benefit? Usually in life we weigh up risk versus benefit and we do things because of a perceived benefit. But here there is no benefit, only risk to your child. So think hard.

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TEXT ON SCREEN: Dr Anne McCloskey GP 39 years medical experience

DR. ANNE MCCLOSKEY GP: The possible side effects of these injections can be divided into 3 groups, short term, medium term, and long term. Since they've only been in use for 8 months, obviously only the short term side effects have been seen in humans. But believe me, they are real. Look at the American VAERS or British MHRA data bases where the problems are being reported, and we know that this may only be the tip of the iceberg. Short term recorded side effects include death, anaphylaxis, strokes, heart attacks, pregnancy loss, nerve damage, clots, blindness, seizures, rashes, fatigue, and many others. The medium and long term effects obviously can't be quantified since there's no data yet, but are based on what we know about what we know about mRNA vaccines from previous animal experiments and from in vitro observations, that is, events seen in the laboratories. These include all of the problems I've already mentioned, and in addition things like infertility, autoimmune diseases, neurodegenerative disorders such as Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia, Parkinson's Disease, increased risk of cancers and premature death. Why would you risk this for your children when this virus will not harm them?
212   Patrick   2024 Mar 28, 8:17pm  

https://vigilantnews.com/post/tucker-carlson-says-doctors-should-apologize-for-wrongly-recommending-the-covid-vax/


Tucker Carlson Says Doctors Should APOLOGIZE for Wrongly Recommending the COVID Vax

“If you hurt someone unintentionally, you have to say, ‘I’m sorry.’”

“By the way,” Carlson added, “I would never go to a doctor who was still lying about COVID because that’s a dangerous person. That’s an immoral person and a dangerous person.”

“I can’t get past it,” Carlson continued.

“It’s like, ‘Oh, I’m great at my job. I killed a bunch of people, but I’m a great person.’ It’s like, no, it’s too big a sin to overlook. You have no credibility unless you apologize for that and explain how you reached that wrong conclusion.”
213   stereotomy   2024 Mar 28, 11:16pm  

Patrick says

Tucker Carlson Says Doctors Should APOLOGIZE for Wrongly Recommending the COVID Vax

“If you hurt someone unintentionally, you have to say, ‘I’m sorry.’”

“By the way,” Carlson added, “I would never go to a doctor who was still lying about COVID because that’s a dangerous person. That’s an immoral person and a dangerous person.”

“I can’t get past it,” Carlson continued.

“It’s like, ‘Oh, I’m great at my job. I killed a bunch of people, but I’m a great person.’ It’s like, no, it’s too big a sin to overlook. You have no credibility unless you apologize for that and explain how you reached that wrong conclusion.”

That's what I'm going to do at my next checkup. The NP was pushing the poke 'n croak, and I've never let her forget it. I'm not injured, but I'll ask her,"Don't you owe they patients you have injured by pushing the vaccine apologies? How can you live with yourself? Every 12-step program includes asking forgiveness from those you have wronged, and lady, you need to seek penance for the salvation of your immortal soul."
215   Patrick   2024 Mar 30, 11:59am  

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1773535117119545521


Tucker Carlson Says Doctors Should APOLOGIZE for Wrongly Recommending the COVID Vax

“If you hurt someone unintentionally, you have to say, ‘I’m sorry.’”

“By the way,” Carlson added, “I would never go to a doctor who was still lying about COVID because that’s a dangerous person. That’s an immoral person and a dangerous person.”

“I can’t get past it,” Carlson continued.

“It’s like, ‘Oh, I’m great at my job. I killed a bunch of people, but I’m a great person.’ It’s like, no, it’s too big a sin to overlook. You have no credibility unless you apologize for that and explain how you reached that wrong conclusion.”


216   Patrick   2024 Mar 30, 4:16pm  




Not sure this is true, but would not be surprised if it is.
217   richwicks   2024 Mar 30, 4:19pm  

Patrick says

Not sure this is true, but would not be surprised if it is.


Be aware that if the intention is to kill people, they will do it in multiple ways, including lying about the efficacy of a treatment.
218   Patrick   2024 Mar 30, 5:35pm  

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-03-doctors-approximately-billion-drug-device.html


Doctors received approximately $12.1 billion from drug and device makers between 2013–2022, study reveals

Despite evidence that financial conflicts of interest may influence medical practice and research and may erode patient trust in medical professionals, these relationships remain pervasive. According to a new analysis of the Open Payments platform, a database that tracks payments between physicians and industry, a team led by a Penn State researcher found that doctors received approximately $12.1 billion from drug and device makers between 2013 and 2022.

Their findings were published in JAMA. It's one of the first studies to look at industry payments longitudinally and by specialty. ...

The analysis showed that more than half of physicians received at least one payment, and roughly 94% of payments were associated with one or more marketed medical products. A small percentage of physicians received the largest amounts, often exceeding $1 million. Orthopedic surgeons received the greatest sum of payments, while pediatric surgeons received the least amount.
222   Patrick   2024 Apr 28, 7:42pm  

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-do-doctors-give-up-on-patients


Why Do Doctors Give Up On Patients?
Exploring the Psychology Behind the Greatest Medical Disaster in History.

•In medicine, doctors will often assume there is nothing that can be done for their patients and then shift the blame to the patient (e.g., sorry you should have gotten vaccinated).

•I believe this lack of creativity is a product of the training doctors receive and a need to reinforce the mythology Modern Medicine rests upon (that it is the medical savior of the world).

•Since many of the existing (for-profit) treatments are unsafe and ineffective, it hence is critical for the medical industry to prevent doctors from looking into better alternatives.

•All of this was laid bare during COVID-19, where we saw the medical profession refuse to go against the orthodoxy, not treat a fairly manageable condition, and instead persecute those who were able to provide safe and effective treatments for COVID-19 (which competed with the vaccines).

•In this article, we will provide some documented examples of this mentality, review the psychology that gives rise to that abhorrent behavior, and cover some of what I found to be the safest and most effective treatments for COVID-19 (most of which did not require a prescription or doctor to obtain).
223   Patrick   2024 May 10, 7:32pm  

https://twitter.com/DrJ_surgeon/status/1623542766092562434


@DrJ_surgeon
Feb 8, 2023
After 3 years of reading hundreds of Covid studies, here is what I believe to be most likely:

1. Covid exists as a respiratory virus that started from the Wuhan lab as an infectious clone. It was spreading worldwide as early as the summer of 2019.
2. This coincided with ongoing mRNA research and this was the planned response to establish this technology platform for all future vaccinations.
3. Pressure was exerted to suppress all viable treatments to advance this agenda and obtain the EUA.
4. HCQ and Ivermectin work well when given early and as a multi-drug regimen. IVM likely has some utility in later stages of disease. Vit D, Zinc and other supplements help in patients with deficiency, given early or prophylactically.
5. Many elderly people and people with comorbidities died, due to lack of early treatment. Many of the early nursing home deaths were the result of lockdowns, over medication, dehydration, isolation and deaths of despair.
6. The rollout of vaccines caused waves of infections and deaths immediately after each dose, due to the 2-3 weeks of immunosuppression and adverse effects of the technology. There was a large variation in batches due to degradation of the mRNA, LNP and poor mRNA integrity.
7. The leaky vaccines led to accelerated viral convergent evolution of evading variants. This has prolonged the pandemic, resulting in failure to ever achieve a degree of herd immunity.
8. The mRNA vaccines probably prevented some severe Covid disease early in the pandemic, but these gains were offset by deaths from resulting increased infections and myocardial disease and other adverse events. They were never needed for healthy people.
9. Currently, I believe excess deaths are occurring due to the mRNA vaccines causing an immunological change causing T-cell exhaustion, IgG4 response and possible ADE with Covid infections. This is leading to a devastating systemic vascular and cardiovascular response.
10. The initial 2 doses of vaccine may have given T-cell immunity that is broad and longer lasting and protects against variants, but subsequent doses do nothing more and cause further problems. Accumulating spike protein could be a major concern.
11. Natural immunity has always given better immunity and still gives long lasting protection in most against severe disease.
12. A biomedical security state has been an underlying goal, with the establishment of vaccine digital passports. The ultimate failure of the vaccines has severely set back that goal.
224   richwicks   2024 May 11, 11:41pm  

Patrick says

A biomedical security state has been an underlying goal, with the establishment of vaccine digital passports. The ultimate failure of the vaccines has severely set back that goal.


Then we got lucky, didn't we? I was having a conversation with some random guy on Telegram today, and we have very nearly the same experience and shock with regard to the pandemic. Both of us have been very changed by it. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I told him I couldn't see 1/2 of the human race as human anymore, and his response was basically "yeah, I know what you mean".
225   Patrick   2024 May 16, 9:00am  

https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/152999.html


US Senator Ron Johnson Holds Expert Panel On Federal Vaccine Mandates - Nov 2 2021
https://rumble.com/vu8wa4-us-senator-ron-johnson-holds-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

Aaron Siri https://www.sirillp.com/aaron-siri/
Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/

AARON SIRI, ESQ: Thank you, Senator Johnson, and thank you everybody for sharing their stories. I know it cannot be easy to do so. My firm of over 20 professionals has represented individuals injured by vaccines for many years and so we're very familiar with these heartbreaking stories and I empathize with every one of you.

While we've been doing, while we've been representing people for vaccine injury for quite a while, it wasn't until the covid 19 vaccine that the, our phones, emails, form submissions have reached an avalanche of submissions. If we could actually sue the pharmaceutical companies for all those injuries it would actually be humanly impossible for my firm or I think the collective efforts of all attorneys around the country to handle vaccine injury cases, which is about 100 attorneys right now, to handle all of those matters.

As things stand right now, you can't sue Pfizer or J & J or Moderna for any of the injuries. You can't bring a claim in the vaccine injury compensation program either. You are relegated to a program called CICP[1] which has a standard of proof that makes it almost impossible to obtain compensation, and even if you do prevail the amount of compensation is, is, is de minimus for the most part.

Among the folks that have contacted our firm are many physicians from across the country who themselves have suffered vaccine injuries. I've spoken to many of them and while their stories vary, their injuries vary, there are three common themes that they all convey.

The first one is that, and, and we heard a lot of you express the same here today, is that after they suffered an injury, they went to the very medical establishment that they work in to go and get treatment, and even though they themselves were physicians, the initial reaction they often got was one of, we don't believe you. Often they were told it was psychological, referred to counseling instead of treating the injuries that were being presented. And these are physicians!

A lot of times they had to go and go to physicians that they went to medical school with or who they had worked with, those colleagues who would believe them.

The other common theme is that they, for the most part, report that they submitted a VAERS[2] report. That they had to do it and often their physicians didn't. And that, after submitting the VAERS reports, like many of you, they expected a phone call that never came. And a lot of them explained how they then would take the initiative to directly contact the CDC or the FDA[3] or public health authorities themselves. And again it was either silence or, after an exchange of some nature, the end result was typically the same. Don't worry. VAERS is not seeing this safety problem, so it's not an issue. Nothing to see here. Your issue is not an issue because it's not an issue in VAERS.

2:53:14
One of the things that I often ask physicians who contact the firm is, will you publicly, will you make public the failing of our public health agencies. And that often has the same reaction as well. And that is one of immense fear. The fear of retaliation from public health officials and the medical establishment if they come forward with even their own story of their own injury, is palpable.

No physician agreed to go forward until, as you pointed out, Senator, Dr. Patricia Lee,[4] who herself was not injured by a vaccine, but as a matter of conscience she simply could no longer sit idly by after seeing a series of extraordinarily serious injuries after covid vaccinations. She did what every other physician should do. She reported those series of cases to VAERS. She was expecting that somebody would contact her. And nobody did.

And not just any cases. A young woman who's pregnant became paraplegic, lived just long enough to have her baby and died a month later. Two other young women who lost most of their small intestines. Incredibly devastating injuries. She waited for the call never came. And when it didn't come, she did what many of you did. She wrote a letter directly to the CDC and the FDA. [Holds up document] This letter right here. She sent it on September 28, 2021. It's publicly available. You can read what she sent them.[5]

She waited one day, two days, seven days. No response. On the 8th day my firm sent a letter asking the FDA and CDC, are you really go to ignore this mainstream pediatrician trained at Harvard and Georgetown medical centers who is telling you about serious injuries from this product?

They did respond to her eventually. And they even actually had a meeting with her. And what did they tell her? Nothing to see. There's no safety signal in VAERS so everything is fine.

The most incredible part of that meeting is after Dr. Patricia Lee relayed the stories in detail that would bring tears to most folks' eyes, she asked Dr. Marks[6] and the other 5 representatives from the FDA and CDC, do you have any questions?

[Siri pauses]

Exactly. That's exactly what she got. The silence that you hear. Until eventually, Dr. Marks did begin to speak and explained to her, VAERS is a wonderful system, and we're not seeing safety signals, everything's fine.

The act of bravery by Dr. Patricia Lee resulted in other physicians, or at least was the catalyst in other physicians and others reaching out to our firm with similar stories and now wanting and agreeing to go public.

On October 27, 2021 [holds up document] we sent this letter to the FDA, CDC, and NIH. And in this letter we attach 11 declarations from physicians detailing similar catastrophic injuries from covid 19 vaccines as detailed by Dr. Lee.[7]

We got a response. [holds up document][8] It's right here, and we've made it publicly available, you can find it. Not a single question about the injuries from our health authorities. The same retort. Everything's fine. VAERS says it's safe. Nothing to see here.

What I'd like to also to point out about these declarations is that most of the physicians, despite not being able to work anymore, despite they themselves being catastrophically injured, still would not put their names out publicly. Their declarations have their names and identities
redacted because even though they can't engage in their normal medical practice, they still have that palpable fear of retaliation from the medical profession and from public health authorities.

For those who did put their names out there, hopefully it will encourage other physicians, and that snowball will hopefully lead to recognition and that is what is the first step to addressing the injuries everybody has described here today.

Until public health authorities acknowledge these injuries, you can't seek treatment. And I would add that it's also why everybody sitting here today, all of the physicians and the medical professionals, PhDs who are attending here today are putting, they know, we know, they're putting their careers on the line to come here and do this. And, and, and I'm sure that everybody's deeply appreciative that you guys are doing that.

It should not be that any physician should have to, quote unquote, risk it all just to advocate for their patients. Thank you.

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