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Follow the science: natural immunity superior to vaccine against Delta strain


               
2021 Aug 27, 5:09am   465 views  9 comments

by Al_Sharpton_for_President   follow (6)  

SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.

The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1




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1   DhammaStep   2021 Aug 27, 5:53am  

Don't I know it. I've been gallavanting around NYC without a mask and I haven't gotten sick since last year with the ALPHA COVID. If I had to guess, I feel as though my immune system is better at fighting off colds too.

Gasp.

Is COVID the cure for the common cold?!
2   Shaman   2021 Aug 27, 6:43am  

Here’s a recent article that says the same fucking thing and it’s in the MSM!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
3   porkchopXpress   2021 Aug 27, 7:35am  

DhammaStep says
Don't I know it. I've been gallavanting around NYC without a mask and I haven't gotten sick since last year with the ALPHA COVID. If I had to guess, I feel as though my immune system is better at fighting off colds too.

Gasp.

Is COVID the cure for the common cold?!
Ditto. Got Covid in December and I’ve probably been exposed to it multiple times which just continues to recharge my immune system. I’ve thought about taking that T Detect test to check my immunity level.
4   Patrick   2021 Aug 27, 11:39am  

Shaman says
Here’s a recent article that says the same fucking thing and it’s in the MSM!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot


And not just a little better. The latest data I saw said natural immunity is 13 times better, and another scientific article said 27 times better.

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1430660291579105284#m
5   Ceffer   2021 Aug 27, 11:54am  

I love all the articles about a virus that nobody can prove exists being tested with a fake test to generate statistics that are treated as real.
6   porkchopXpress   2021 Aug 27, 12:41pm  

Patrick says
And not just a little better. The latest data I saw said natural immunity is 13 times better, and another scientific article said 27 times better.
Yet NO ONE in MSM or public health or government mentions jack shit about it. They KNOW it's true and can't refute it. Evil.
7   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2021 Aug 28, 5:24am  

A whole virus, when processed, presents a very wide array of antigens that can be targeted by B and T cells. The gene therapy mRNA codes for spike protein, and I think it can even be a fragment of the protein with an ACE receptor binding region engineered to remain in the open (binding) state, so that antibodies produced by the immunized host could better prevent binding, if I understand Malone correctly.

The odds of surviving nature's vaccine, the virus itself, are very high if you are healthy. Even over 75 without comorbidities, the odds of survival is in the range of the younger and healthy. Comorbidities include obesity and obesity related diseases including diabetes, heart disease, stroke, COPD, even cancer. Lack of exercise, smoking, genes, diet, environment, all contribute.

The immune response to viral infection results in B cells and T cells that can recognize a wide array of viral targets. Shielded targets can be presented to the immune system once the virus is processed by big eater cells. Antigen presenting cells, including dendritic cells, display short viral peptides in MHC to T cells. Thankfully evolution has provided a deep library of T cell receptors, a very broad repertoire. B cells also present antigen, an often-unappreciated role.

And so a broad array of antibodies are produced to targets beyond that of the mRNA vaccines. These targets are displayed on virally infected cells that are targeted and eliminated by antibodies, T cells and NK cells. The virus cannot complete its replication cycle and cannot hatch progeny from the infected cells, and so cannot propagate in the host, and the infection is controlled and can even be totally eliminated, sterilizing the host of the virus.

Van den Bossche is a big NK cell vaccine guy. As I understand him, part of your natural immunity is circulating low-affinity IgM antibodies that can recognize a broad array of bacterial and viral antigens.

IgM is a pentameric antibody, meaning it is very effective in attracting Fc receptor bearing cells like NK cells to the tail end of each of five antibodies. The killer cells then kill the antibody bound cells displaying viral targets. The IgM antibody also triggers a cascade of lytic proteins that poke holes in the cell, destroying it.

But if you flood the body with high affinity antibodies to a very limited part of the total viral immunome, you defeat the much broader natural IgM antibody and NK cell immunity.

The wave of the mRNA-induced antibodies outcompete the natural antibodies for the Fc receptors of NK cells and also for complement. Natural immunity has been short-circuited, pushed aside.

And when the virus mutates, it can defeat the very narrow immunity of the mRNA gene therapies, but not the broad immune response to the whole virus. And the very specific gene therapy antibodies may no longer effectively neutralize binding, but instead facilitate infection. This is unlikely with natural infection immunity with a broader response repertoire.

It may be that when the unvaccinated healthy population encounters COVID, first line natural immunity works like advertised and symptoms are mild or zed. The unattenuated viral vaccine then gets the adaptive immune response geared up and you are weaponized.

It might be interesting to see how the whole virus vaccines are doing against Delta.
8   theoakman   2021 Aug 28, 6:11am  

DhammaStep says
Don't I know it. I've been gallavanting around NYC without a mask and I haven't gotten sick since last year with the ALPHA COVID. If I had to guess, I feel as though my immune system is better at fighting off colds too.

Gasp.

Is COVID the cure for the common cold?!


The cure for any of this is continual exposure. As a teacher, I've walked through the germ pit of students for 12 years. Never get sick anymore.
9   DhammaStep   2021 Aug 28, 6:12am  

theoakman says
DhammaStep says
Don't I know it. I've been gallavanting around NYC without a mask and I haven't gotten sick since last year with the ALPHA COVID. If I had to guess, I feel as though my immune system is better at fighting off colds too.

Gasp.

Is COVID the cure for the common cold?!


The cure for any of this is continual exposure. As a teacher, I've walked through the germ pit of students for 12 years. Never get sick anymore.


How do you feel about the teachers that are deathly afraid of their students now?

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