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WookieMan says

It's difficult, if not impossible for either of us to confirm our position as we don't personally have access to voting records in a meaningful way.

Lol, neither does the government. Records were wiped in Arizona and deliberately not kept in Michigan.

They know what they did.

https://nationalfile.com/spoliation-of-evidence-maricopa-county-deleted-election-databases-before-equipment-was-delivered-to-arizona-auditors/

It seems kinda unhinged to me to not believe it.

Like a desperate hope against reason and mathematics that the election might not have been fraudulent.

ThreeBays says

This is confusing to me.

Cognitive dissonance?

Patrick says

It seems kinda unhinged to me to not believe i

This is where I'm at. Part of cheating is to hide evidence you did cheat. Otherwise what's the point? You'd get caught. But people just believe the narrative.

Basic math, at the lowest level, like a 3rd grader would notice the massive increase in the numbers. It is really undeniable. There's no way Joe Biden got over 80M votes AND Trump got over 70M. During a "pandemic" where people were still scared at the time because of the narrative. While 300k people isn't a bunch out of 20M or so, most people dead from covid were voting aged. Yet we saw a historic increase in voter turnout. The left.... nothing to see here.

ThreeBays says

You really believe this unhinged propaganda?

My prediction is that the truth about the election WILL come out and be indisputable, but Democrats like this prime example will blithely categorize it as “conspiracy theory” and never actually look at the evidence.
Conservatives and many independents already have less than zero respect for Joementia, and are slightly less inclined to follow Mr. Potato Head’s orders than to follow the rantings of a random homeless guy screaming at a fire hydrant.

Shaman says

homeless guy screaming at a fire hydrant.

Hey, I know that guy! He lived right outside my bedroom window at a studio I once rented.

On that note, at another place, every day I'd find pizza boxes, with sides of bread stix etc., tossed next to my back patio. I thought someone else was living there at night so I put up a camera. I could never catch the guy so I started calling him, "The ghost coyote".

Then I moved the camera and got video of a pizza box floating down from the 2nd floor. Turns out the 6 or 800lb chick that moved in upstairs was inhaling those at lunch then chucking the boxes before hubby got home.

So I pointed the camera straight up at their balcony. The boxes disappeared. The deliveries didn't.

ThreeBays says

You seem to be selective skeptics

What do you suppose was happening when they stopped the counting in Georgia and after everyone left they dragged out the suitcases full of votes and started counting them?

Georgia midnight counting is just one blatant example of the blatant stealing of the election. If you don't want to look at the evidence you can continue your willful ignorance.

Next time it might be your guy that gets cheated.

ThreeBays says

The possibilities are endless

Why did you vote for Biden?

ThreeBays says

If you can't find evidence of fraud

You're not looking.

just_passing_through says

So I pointed the camera straight up at their balcony. The boxes disappeared. The deliveries didn't.

What do you think she’s doing with the boxes now? She probably can’t make it up and down the stairs, so maybe she’s just eating them?

ThreeBays says

Your argument that Biden didn't win the election, or any number of other conspiracies, is just because you can't trust what you see.

Lol! This is amazing.

ThreeBays, how can you not trust what you see?

Didn't you watch the election? Trump was massively ahead in all those swing states when you went to bed, right?

Then what happened?

ThreeBays says

If you can't find evidence of fraud, fund a fraudit and create some fraud.

Dude, you saw blatant evidence of fraud. You, yourself.

So, somehow a massive number of votes arrived late in exactly the swing states, and a statistically impossible number of them were for Biden.

And you believe that's not an indication of fraud?

Like I said, only the willfully ignorant, shills, or trolls believe, BELIEVE that Trump got more votes than anyone in US presidential elections before, except Biden.

Same people that believe the Wuhan is the reason for mail in ballots.

ThreeBays says

So mail in ballots were processed late. Was it statistically impossible for Biden to close the gap? No, since states like Pennsylvania had 1.1M

That's quite gullible and violates election integrity of any sovereign country that doesn't want to be a banana republic. You have to count mail in ballots first after securing them with ID match etc., otherwise there is no accountability. The reason they were counted last was to "come up" with the massive numbers of ballots to defeat the early Trump crushing lead.

ThreeBays says

states like Pennsylvania had 1.1M more mail in votes from Democrats than Republicans

What is the probability of that?

There were (in theory) 6.9M votes cast in Pennsylvania.

How can you just accept many statistical outliers like this without even the slightest question?

No European country accepts unsecured mail-in ballots, they all have strict voter ID laws and if your vote is even a minute late it won't count. That's how they announce the results on election night.

ThreeBays says

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

It's pretty damn rare that POTUS elections run into the morning of the next day, unheard of that any candidate comes back from a 5-10% deficit at 11PM with most of the vote in, and never that it happens in multiple states. Then you add the fact that turnout from some cities like Philly, are not repeated in non-swing states in cities similar in composition.

It can't be a difference in local "Get out the Vote" Campaign efficiency, because COVID. No massive door knocking campaigns going on.

And all the outliers are IN swing states to begin with.

Let's also consider this: Counting went on under series of bizarre circumstances (ie telling press to go home as counting is stopping, but it didn't) for THREE DAYS, during which the Media urged the Public to be patient, reports of irregularities were ignored, 3AM vote drops in open boxes by strange cars when no one is around, no remarks about the unusual results trickling in re: Bellwethers, strange decreases in third party vote totals (Voting is additive, nothing should ever be subtracted during a live count), etc.

The moment Biden was outside the margin of mandatory recount Friday Morning, all of sudden it went from "Patience and Calm" to "WHELP! Voting's Over. No more questions. Anybody who has questions is a treasonous flat Earther. Biden is King!"

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The moment Biden was outside the margin of mandatory recount Friday Morning, all of sudden it went from "Patience and Calm" to "WHELP! Voting's Over. No more questions. Anybody who has questions is a treasonous flat Earther. Biden is King!"

Right, and the almost tremulous panicky voice of Facebook, Twitter, and Google declaring that THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT ANY ELECTION FRAUD OCCURRED.

Over and over and over.

Hmmm.

ThreeBays says

Slight question yes.

Lol, slight. OK, better than 100% denial of screamingly obvious reality.

ThreeBays says

anger about incumbent Trump

Definite mass mental illness there, relentlessly promoted by the media to keep that half trillion in annual Chinese imports flowing.



https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays

ThreeBays says

Patrick says

Definite mass mental illness there, relentlessly promoted by the media to keep that half trillion in annual Chinese imports flowing.

Sure thing. There's also 50 million brain washed republicans that believe the election was stolen, primarily based on Trump's word, Fox News, Tucker Carlson, etc.

No, people are very skeptical based on observable statistical impossibilities.

You yourself had a little hint of enlightenment for a moment there.

I hope one day you'll escape your own mental prison of fear and hate. Trump is no danger to you or the country. He managed to do a lot of good in spite of hysterical opposition paid for by our owners.

ThreeBays says

What do more engaged voters that dislike trump do to the statistics?

There weren't 20 million plus that voted for Biden over Hillary 4 years prior AND an additional 10 million for Trump. Also the county and precinct level data is out of whack in certain areas it's obvious.

I'm in the youngish crowd and hang with people as young as 25- 30 frequently. No one liked Biden, especially younger men. I'm in a blue state. Anecdotal information matters at some point as much as you likely hate that. There's also math which can't be wrong unless is was fudged. It was fudged.

In your above post you're also making the assumption that however they polled or gathered the data was done honestly. Or was it part of a narrative to keep you believing? If Fox News lies (I don't watch) then sure as shit smelling NBC or some other network is. Question everything. But questioning the questioners won't get you anywhere. You need to open your eyes dude.

ThreeBays says

Take it to court if you have something.

I do have something.

Thousands of votes from colleges that were closed for residency for months. Students had not been assigned dorms, nor keys for their mailboxes. How did they register, request ballot, or mail ballots in from an address they never had?

They MIGHT have voted from home - perhaps in another state, town, county, nearby apartment - but there's no way they voted from their campus and no possible way these votes are valid. At a bare minimum, it demands an investigation.

Patrick says

Right, and the almost tremulous panicky voice of Facebook, Twitter, and Google declaring that THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT ANY ELECTION FRAUD OCCURRED.

Over and over and over.

Hmmm.

I don't recall the Press, or MySpace screaming "NO ELECTION FRAUD IS POSSIBLE" in 2004-2005 with all the Diebold claims.

If anything, the media entertained them with an open mind and did puff pieces on bipartisan efforts to return to paper ballots.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

ThreeBays says

Take it to court if you have something.

I do have something.

Thousands of votes from colleges that were closed for residency for months. Students had not been assigned dorms, nor keys for their mailboxes. How did they register, request ballot, or mail ballots in from an address they never had?

They MIGHT have voted from home - perhaps in another state, town, county, nearby apartment - but there's no way they voted from their campus and no possible way these votes are valid. At a bare minimum, it demands an investigation.

Another gullible argument is take it to court. The courts do not examine it, they are primed and preprogrammed, i.e. instructed to reject everything with "no standing" which is a fucking disgrace since they have enough "standing" to prosecute every fucking taxpayer for obstruction of their windshield, a blown out lightbulb or rolling a stop sign. The courts never said there was no fraud because they never took any cases, they dismissed almost all of them with "nada standing!"

ThreeBays says

Where did you find that thousands voted from their dorms? Students can choose where they want to vote from... I'd imagine they mostly would've voted from their home state.

Wow. Let me try this again.

The students HAD to have been at home, they COULDNT have voted from their college, because the College's dorms were closed and had been for months. They were closed before and after September. Students would have never been assigned a 2020-2021 school year dorm. And thus, no mailbox keys or addresses for mail ballots.

And if they weren't in their dorms, they were home several counties or states away.

Then how did thousands of votes come from the COLLEGE address, then?

ThreeBays says

I'd imagine they mostly would've voted from their home state.

They can vote in both states. There is no mechanism to track that. Voting is run by individual states. If I had 10 vacation homes in different states, I could vote in all and no one would know.

ThreeBays says

Anecdotally 9 out of 10 people I know dislike Trump, and 10 out of 10 got vaccinated. Anecdotes can only take us so far as far as arguing about other states or the whole country.

That's your bubble. You're discussing something with someone that knows a thousand people across 4-5 states in my region. This ain't 10 people. You're also not making a comparison. The lesser of two evils argument. 9 out of 10 disliked Trump, but 10 out of 10 wouldn't have voted for Biden because they hated him.

I don't like Trump and I'd say that in person. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat over Biden. It's how he got elected in 2016. People talking trash and then voting for him. Caught Hillary off guard and she lost.

You have to understand that much of what you read is either half assed work or flat out lies. There's little to no actual journalism anymore. Probably never was. If you don't accept that, you'll continue to be brainwashed. Listen to the words. It's a coordinated effort. You think Isreal hitting an AP building was an accident? Media lies. When Jews do that you might want to start paying attention. They're not happy with the new puppet running things.

ThreeBays says

My question is where did you hear that? What's the evidence?

And you do realize that many colleges had open dorms right?

ALL colleges in PA were locked down and prohibited from opening by PA State law months before, still in effect on Voting Day.

Keep trying to dodge Occam's Razor.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

You're discussing something with someone that knows a thousand people across 4-5 states in my region.

Your anecdotal facts seem to change every time you put them forward. Lots of polls disagree with your 10/10 hate Biden assertion. I know you'll just say your anecdote is more accurate than multiple polls lol.

Illinois, like many other blue states, has blue metros surrounded by a lot of red counties.

You're not listening. 9 out of 10 can hate Trump. 10 out of 10 hated Hillary more and wouldn't vote for her. Do you not understand what I'm saying?

Trump won by being caught saying he grabs women by the pussy. Yeah, that guy won. Biden got his legs rubbed down by little boys and hiding in a basement for months. Maybe we're a country of pedophiles and I'm not noticing it. Biden is/was so unpopular that combined with the math, cheating was involved. The fact you can't have a nuanced view is rather strange given the circumstances.

ThreeBays says

The audit ninjas in Arizona walked back their claim today. "Oops, sorry the data wasn't deleted". Is it still unhinged to not believe it?

There is a big difference between the "... the data wasn't deleted", and "the data was deleted but we recovered it".

Why are you being disingenuous?

ThreeBays says

Illinois, like many other blue states, has blue metros surrounded by a lot of red counties.

I go to many states. My wife's territories are WI and IL. Company also has MO, IA, MN, AL and a couple other states we visit to assist other sales people. If you're just out in CA, you have zero clue how the rest of the country works and thinks. Shit, half of us have already done a days work before you guys even wake up.

You CA guys, especially those that don't travel, really have no clue. You live in a bubble. You then push that bubble on the rest of the country as the most populous state. We don't want it. We outnumber you. We have more land and resources. It's why the electoral college was brilliant.

Get out of CA and see what the rest of your country thinks. You'd be surprised.

Luckily, they didn't "bleachbit" it

ThreeBays says

Believing in coordinated mass fraud in 5 swing states to explain Trumps loss is precisely against Occam's Razor.

How many elections had this level of mail in voting, with rules altered months prior to the election by Executive Officers of various states?

How many elections had voting machines connected to the internet?

Why did some Black Cities like Detroit and Philly have massive turnout, but others did not, and the Black Vote overall was lower than 2008?

That there was the largest turnout in any election since 1900, in the middle of a pandemic?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/04/trump-polarization-mail-voting-drove-record-2020-turnout-column/6153959002/

But when you look at WHERE the turnout was, many places were average, swing or non-swing states. But key places, dark blue places totally dominated by a Blue machine, turnout was astronomical. Can't be get out the vote efforts - door knocking didn't happen in a Pandemic. Yet in equivalent deep dark blue urban areas in non-swing states, no such massive turnout increase was found.

All this aside, you still haven't explained how thousands of students voted from several shut down university campuses where residency was prohibited for months before during and after the election.

ThreeBays says

"the data is intact and they'd been looking the wrong way".

What does that mean? The data should be on an SSD that a 5th grader could open and analyze. This isn't complicated at all. Yet you quote government that's in charge of this stuff that cannot do something as simple as finding data? Looking the wrong way? The fuck?

ThreeBays says

You still haven't told us which campuses, and which votes were mailed from those closed campuses. Have a list? Where's this allegation from?

I posted the locations and # of votes in question already:
https://patrick.net/post/1339209/?comment_id=1753852

The source is the Pennsylvania Voting System itself.

ThreeBays says

First you said all colleges were ordered shut by the state. Now you say "several shut down university campuses".

The point is that the campuses were shut down, if the second time I failed to mention "on state authority" does not nullify their status as closed for residency the second time I mentioned it.

You're still not addressing how a shut down campus (by the state! in case you think that's relevant) with no residential students has a mechanism for students that aren't residing there to have an current address on campus to register, receive ballots, and vote from.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

You're still not addressing

Don't hold your breath.

ThreeBays says

There's a lot of Trump supporters around here so I'm sure my perspective will land on deaf ears, but I think the GOP is screwing themselves out of the next election by going all-in on Trump.

I think you're incorrect on that.

What do you think the GOP should push forward? Liz Cheney - that neocon warmonger whore? How about Jeb Bush, another neocon warmonger cunt?

The reason Trump was elected is that he criticized the Iraq War - he's the ONLY presidential candidate that has and George W. Bush fucking lied us into that war.

So, if the GOP is going to keep pushing these chickenhawk warmonger assholes - the party can just goddamned die as far as I'm concerned.

Furthermore, if Trump had run on the Democratic ticket, I would have voted for him, I would have supported him, and I would have been perfectly happy with him - although Fox and Newsmax would have been dumping on him the entire time and so would have most "conservative" sheeple.

First president in 40 goddamned fucking years that didn't start a new, fucking war and if the "liberal left" is too fucking stupid to appreciate that, they can go straight hell, and I hope they do.

richwicks says

First president in 40 goddamned fucking years that didn't start a new, fucking war

This is huge. So huge as to basically dwarf any mistakes made in other areas. Though his executive order on bumpstocks (which was overturned by the courts) was definitely a really bad mistake.