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Big Pharma right now owns and controls the hospitals. So what about the "Hospital Protocol" that is terminating the doctors who prescribe Ivermectin for Covid 19?

Patrick says

The admission by that FDA lawyer doesn’t mean much. The FDA does not really have the power to control what doctors can prescribe. It only controls labeling and marketing of products intended for medical use., and what you can get without a prescription labeled to treat a certain condition.

Undoctored says

The FDA does not really have the power to control what doctors can prescribe.

True, but states do, and often pass laws based on FDA screeds.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/no-mas/

On a different but hugely consequential note, and related to the long-running outlandish mendacity of the US government, an attorney for the Federal Drug Administration told a federal appeals court in Louisiana hearing a lawsuit last week that the agency actually had no policy against the use of ivermectin for Covid-19.

FDA was not regulating the off-label use of drugs These statements are not regulations they have no legal consequences they don’t prohibit doctors from prescribing Ivermectin to treat COVID or for any other purpose. Quite to the contrary there are three instances I’d like to point the court to in the record that show that FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID.”

How true is that? The FDA coerced Blue Cross and other insurers to warn doctors not to prescribe ivermectin for Covid-19, and likewise the Federation of State Medical Boards and National Association of Boards of Pharmacy to not fill doctor’s prescriptions for ivermectin for Covid-19 patients, despite the fact that it was among the best, most effective, and safest treatments for the disease. The FDA put out public service announcements telling Americans not to take ivermectin. The net effect was that state medical boards persecuted doctors for prescribing the drug (e.g., Maine Medical Board’s persecution of Dr, Meryl Nass). Also that hundreds of thousands of Covid-19 patients were denied early treatment, many of whom died.

We all know why the FDA pretended that ivermectin was not allowed to be used. Because it would have removed the Emergency Use Authorization that designated mRNA shots as the sole response to Covid, and it would have obviated the pharma companies’ liability shield for anything that went wrong. Of course, the whole damn thing went wrong and millions are now paying the price. Is this the beginning of the unwind of a colossal crime by those Rich Men North of Richmond against the people of this land?

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

What made them change their stance on ivermectin? Any studies they're recognizing or citing?

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

It most definitely should. This allows a treatment path for affected individuals and thus there shall be no allowance for an EUA. COVID testing EUA too.

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

It doesn't approve Ivermectin as a treatment, it just allows doctors to prescribe it off-label. They never said it works, and if you ask the FDA, I'm certain they will say it doesn't work.

So, the EUA can still be used.

richwicks says

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

It doesn't approve Ivermectin as a treatment, it just allows doctors to prescribe it off-label. They never said it works, and if you ask the FDA, I'm certain they will say it doesn't work.

So, the EUA can still be used.

That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious.

GNL says

no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin

@GNL

What do you mean? Tons of studies were done with very good results. Want to see them?

GNL says

That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious.

There's been many studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin. It's a general anti-viral, and they've known this for a long time. If it's SPECIFICALLY effective against covid? Probably.

My cousin could get access to it. His partner got covid, he got Ivermectin, he took it immediately, he tested positive, never had any symptoms, and never got sick.

It supposedly disrupts the ability of the virus to reproduce. It might legitimately be a fucking drug. Its used as a preventative in Africa for river-blindness, I wonder if viral diseases are down all over? Who knows?

IF IT IS, they'll never tell us. Could you imagine if there was a drug that just ended viral diseases?

Patrick says

GNL

What do you mean? Tons of studies were done with very good results. Want to see them?

Show them to him anyhow. Probably you should make a thread so we can come back to it in the future. There's a lot of stuff we should archive just for future lookups. I recorded a lot of propaganda of the covid nonsense. Remember when "so many people are overdosing on ivermectin, that gunshot victims are being turned away?"

GNL says

"That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious."

Who cares if the FDA cited or recognizes any medical studies proving that Ivermectin and HCQ cure Covid? There are over 500 medical studies that prove that these medications work against Covid.




and

The_Deplorable says

GNL says

"That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious."

Who cares if the FDA cited or recognizes any medical studies proving that Ivermectin and HCQ cure Covid? There are over 500 medical studies that prove that these medications work against Covid.




and

Not to be a twat (and I know I am), but all the studies need to be referenced, and linked to. Summaries are easily faked, our government and media do it all the time.

richwicks says

"Not to be a twat (and I know I am), but all the studies need to be referenced, and linked to. Summaries are easily faked, our government and media do it all the time."

All these studies are listed and referenced.

Here https://c19hcq.org/

and

Here https://c19ivm.org/

The_Deplorable says

All these studies are listed and referenced.

Here https://c19hcq.org/

and

Here https://c19ivm.org/

Tomorrow I'll write a script to archive them all and post them here. Depends on if they were being "clever" in making that page. Stuff like this needs to be saved in the most BASIC WAY possible. If they are using javascript and all sorts of bizarre shit, that's an error. They may be trying to share information, but to do that, you have to give up control of it. If I boot into a version of Linux that is 10 years old, NOTHING on the web works on the default web browsers. That was a big problem when my computer last crashed, I could boot it up, but getting a modern image so I could re-image my server, took a day because I couldn't open any webpage to get a Linux image. I finally found one that would allow me to download a modern image, and used that to create a USB drive, so I could upgrade my system. A nightmare. I got a laptop just to avoid that and I always have a USB drive with a "modern image" of my system in case I get a hiccup.

Well, I stand corrected. Were the studies not done by "accepted" authorities? Are things that corrupt that lawsuits can't be waged?

GNL says

Were the studies not done by "accepted" authorities?

Not if they came up with the wrong results

GNL says

Well, I stand corrected. Were the studies not done by "accepted" authorities? Are things that corrupt that lawsuits can't be waged?

The three major tools of our corrupt system are propaganda, cancel culture, and lawfare. The first two are failing, and now it seems lawfare is the remaining weapon (i.e., drag it out for years in Federal courts). Who has the resources (aka print unlimited fiat money) to sustain this?

stereotomy says

The three major tools of our corrupt system are propaganda, cancel culture, and lawfare.

Yep, which may in time leave the citizens with the cartridge box.

HeadSet says

stereotomy says

The three major tools of our corrupt system are propaganda, cancel culture, and lawfare.

Yep, which may in time leave the citizens with the cartridge box.

I agree. Ultimately, dark triad psychopaths fear one thing only - death or something worse than death.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/we-wont-be-fooled-again/

Of all the vicious lies spun around the Covid-19 operation, among the most damaging was the campaign to demonize ivermectin, a Nobel Prize-winning true wonder-drug, among the safest known pharmaceuticals ever, effective against disease-causing parasites and also a potent anti-viral agent — which was exactly why the CDC and FDA turned on it. It very effectively subdued Covid-19 infections.

That is, it worked. And because of that, these agencies had to pretend that it was worthless and harmful, to protect the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the fabulous mRNA vaccines that didn’t work and ended up harming, disabling, and killing many people. Any treatment that proved effective would have invalidated the EUA and negated the liability shield that came with the EUA, protecting the vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits.

A week ago, in a lawsuit brought by three doctors against the FDA for its Covid-19 restrictions, DOJ lawyer Ashley Honold told the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit in Louisiana that “FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat Covid.” Really? After three years of bad-mouthing the drug in public service announcements — horse and cow de-wormer, not for humans! — and telling national boards of physicians not to use it, and telling the national organization of pharmacists not to fill prescriptions for it… which resulted in many states officially forbidding its use … which led to gross injustices such as the State of Maine Medical Board’s obtuse and insane persecution of bio-warfare expert and epidemiologist Dr. Meryl Nass (for which Dr. Nass is now suing them) … and to many other state boards revoking the licenses of doctors….

Days after that howler by DOJ lawyer Honold, the FDA honchos in DC walked back what she told the court, saying, “… it has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19, nor has the agency stated that it is safe or effective for that use.” The agency then invoked its battery of fake excuses for that ruling: studies are inconclusive, blah, blah, which is just more bullshit, you understand, because the bottom line is the same as ever: the FDA will not surrender the EUA and its various protections for the Covid vaccines. And it will employ any official lie to support that position.

It also happened that going back to the 2019 debut of Covid-19, Dr. Anthony Fauci, then-head of the NIAID and Francis Collins then-head of the NIH — two related agencies that funded and supported coronavirus gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology — received many millions of dollars in “royalties” for their part in developing mRNA vaccines against the Covid-19 pathogen that they had priorly developed (the total dollar figure rumored to be above $300-million). See how that worked?

If you are among that segment of the population that has not lost its mind, you might realize that the public health authorities have no authority. They lied outrageously about everything connected with Covid-19. And when they were caught lying, they just lied some more in the vain attempt to cover up their previous lies. And so, it would be foolish to regard anything they say from now on — without a complete house-cleaning of agency personnel, plus some earnest prosecutions — as worth listening to and following.

Authority, you see, is granted only to those who are trustworthy. Yes, it’s really that simple. If an authority lies about everything, and is caught doing it, then it is rendered invalid. Now, it happens that the US public health agencies, huge and costly as they are, make up only one part of the even larger and costlier US government, which has been busy surrendering the authority of all its other parts for years now, to the point that the whole enterprise is untrustworthy and in need of a severe housecleaning. Traditionally, elections are the mechanism for cleaning that house, but our elections have lost their authority, too? Really? How so? Because the untrustworthy officials in charge of them employ dubious systems for gathering the vote: mail-in balloting that invites fraud and hackable vote-counting machines that are connected to the Internet.

The defects of these things are so obvious they can hardly be ignored. And the remedy is obvious and simple, too: paper ballots hand-counted in small precincts of manageable size, all done on one day, which we call Election Day (and which should be a national holiday, so more working people can get to the polls). Somehow, though, we are unable to avail that remedy, probably because the untrustworthy people in charge would lose their jobs and the power they enjoy in a truly fair election. So, they conclude, let’s not have that.

It’s even looking like the untrustworthy public health authorities are ramping up yet a new, fresh Covid-19 scare for the fall, in order to reinforce the special mail-in voting scheme that’s working so nicely (for them), and to disorder the minds of the public so they’ll be too frightened to notice that all the other parts of the government are failing in virtually all their duties to the people of this land. Bring on some new Covid variants and the lovely new booster vax that’ll work so well (not). Go ahead, we should say, I dare you. We won’t be fooled again.

https://thelibertydaily.com/ivermectin-worked-new-peer-reviewed-study-proves-it/

A preprint paper showing ivermectin’s effectiveness against COVID-19 in Peru convinced a group of doctors that widespread ivermectin distribution could end the pandemic in October 2020
Because the paper wasn’t yet peer-reviewed, it was brushed off; ivermectin for COVID-19 was vilified, as were those who dared to prescribe it
Now, the study has been peer-reviewed and published in Cureus, vindicating ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19
Not only did ivermectin work against COVID-19, it was remarkably effective, resulting in a 74% reduction in excess deaths in the 10 Peru states where it was used most intensively
There was a 14-fold reduction in nationwide excess deaths when ivermectin was readily available and then a 13-fold increase in excess deaths in the two months after ivermectin use was restricted

https://palexander.substack.com/p/boom-court-revives-doctors-lawsuit

A federal appeals court Friday revived a lawsuit by three doctors who say the Food and Drug Administration overstepped its authority in a campaign against treating COVID-19 with the anti-parasite drug ivermectin. ...

But the ruling said the campaign — which at times featured the slogan “You are not a horse!” — too often left out that the drug is sometimes prescribed for humans.

The doctors can proceed with their lawsuit contending that the FDA's campaign exceeded the agency's authority under federal law, the ruling said.

“FDA is not a physician. It has authority to inform, announce, and apprise—but not to endorse, denounce, or advise,” Judge Don Willett wrote for a panel that also included Jennifer Walker Elrod and Edith Brown Clement. “The Doctors have plausibly alleged that FDA’s Posts fell on the wrong side of the line between telling about and telling to.”

Ivermectin was and is first of all a drug for humans, and the discoverer received the Nobel Prize explicitly for its use in humans.

The fact that it also works in animals is secondary.

In the USA pharmacists, by refusing to fill Ivermectin prescriptions, are practicing medicine without a license...



More: "Pharmacists Continuing To Refuse Ivermectin Prescriptions, Raising Ethical Concerns" https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pharmacists-continuing-refuse-ivermectin-prescriptions-raising-ethical-concerns

Sept. 4.2023. A federal appeals court overturned a prior judgment on Friday, enabling a Food and Drug Administration (FDA) lawsuit involving its campaign against the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 to proceed.
https://www.oann.com/newsroom/federal-appeals-court-revives-fda-lawsuit-regarding-anti-ivermectin-campaign/

The_Deplorable says

"In the USA pharmacists, by refusing to fill Ivermectin prescriptions, are practicing medicine without a license..."

Practicing medicine without a license is a very strong legal argument and with over 300,000 mRNA vaccine deaths in the USA alone, exposes the pharmacists to a huge liability.

Another group that is practicing medicine without a license are hospitals that have a protocol against Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. A hospital is not a medical doctor and has no business dictating what medicines your doctor should or should not prescribe to you.

https://vigilantnews.com/post/can-you-overdose-on-ivermectin-dr-pierre-korys-answer-will-shock-you

So there is a world-famous toxicologist named Jacques Descotes, and he's French. And two years ago, he was commissioned to do a scoping review of the entire data on the safety of Ivermectin in its history. And his conclusion after doing this comprehensive review is that he does not believe that there has been one single case of anyone dying from an Ivermectin overdose.

Patrick says

Best meme about Ivermectin I've seen.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/obstruction-monday-october-2-2023

🔬 Don’t tell the FDA, but a new study published last week in Cancer Chemotherapy and Pharmacology titled, "Ivermectin induces nonprotective autophagy by downregulating PAK1 and apoptosis in lung adenocarcinoma cells.”

The short version is, this study suggests the Nobel-winning anti-parasitic drug ivermectin — often used by independent doctors to treat covid — might also cure lung cancer. Specifically, the researchers found that ivermectin kills lung cancer cells both in vitro (Petri dishes) and in vivo (mice). And it works in multiple ways. According to the researchers, ivermectin suppressed lung cancer in at least three different ways:

(1) Ivermectin stopped the cancer cells from growing and dividing,

(2) Ivermectin caused the cancer cells to die (“apoptosis”), and

(3) Ivermectin increased the process of cells breaking down their own damaged or unwanted parts (“autophagy”).

The researchers found that the way ivermectin works is by inhibiting a protein called PAK1, which is more highly expressed in lung cancers than in normal tissues, and lung cancer patients showing high PAK1 levels have a worse prognosis. PAK1 has been linked to cancer cell growth and survival. So when PAK1 is inhibited, the cancer cells cannot grow or divide and eventually die.

The researchers didn’t just see the magic happening through their microscopes. They also tested ivermectin on special cancer mice, where ivermectin also suppressed the growth of the lung cancer. ...

But you’re not a horse, ya’ll. So stop it.

🔬 Doctors are starting to catch on and it may not only be lung cancer. In related news, on August 29th, the Deseret Review ran a medical op-ed titled, “High-dose Ivermectin shrinks cancer metastases.”

Author Justus R. Hope, MD, began by reporting on patient Rick’s “unsurvivable” stage 4 metastatic turbo colon cancer, which at the time of diagnosis had already spread to his liver and lymph nodes. Rick’s oncologist gave him six months, tops.

But Rick started taking high-dose ivermectin. His tumor markers dropped from 1,489 to 4.7. That’s a big drop. His metastases also calcified and shrank.

Next, Dr. Justus described one of Dr. Tess Lawrie’s recent cases. Tess reported a patient with metastatic ovarian cancer that had already spread to her peritoneum. The patient’s initial tumor markers (Ca125) were high, at 288. After a few weeks of chemo combined with ivermectin, her markers dropped to 22, and the externally-visible traces of the tumor vanished.

The patient’s cancer surgeon was baffled. He admitted “It’s remarkable. I didn’t expect that.” After removing her uterus and ovaries and taking biopsies, the surgeon was even more astounded. He found no cancer. He said, “This is extraordinary. No tumor. Some dead cells on the peritoneum that I removed. The biopsy confirmed that everything has gone – Ca125 at 3.”
Three.

The next example involved a doctor who was herself the patient. She had a fist-sized gallbladder tumor. She decided to take a very high dose of ivermectin (2 mg per kg), and later reported that her tumor disappeared.

Ivermectin appears to work on vaccine-induced turbo cancer, too. Dr. Shankara Chetty reported the case of Oscar Nacu, a man who developed a grotesque, giant neck tumor involving canon-ball lung metastases one week after taking the covid jab. After three months of high dose Ivermectin (over 2.4 mg per kg per day) along with Lactoferrin (an antifungal supplement), the lung metastases shrank, and he stopped taking pain meds. Plus he started walking up to a mile daily and even spontaneously sang and danced.

No wonder Oscar was “spontaneously” singing and dancing. I bet he was pretty happy to get that thing off his neck.

These reports (and many other related studies and case reports) show that patients have easily tolerated very high doses of ivermectin. At 2.4 mg per kg, for example, the dose would be 216 mg per day for a 200-lb man.

But seriously, ya’ll. It’s horse paste. Wouldn’t you rather die than treat yourself like an animal?

richwicks says

I'm wondering if intelligence isn't synonymous with obedience - that it's not intelligence at all - just conformity.

What I assumed, was that the more intelligent we were, the more freedom we could experience. I think it's the opposite now. I think the higher you climb, the more you are controlled because you have more to lose. It's unsettling to realize this.

Throughout school I always excelled, but it seemingly took me longer to "get" subjects than many of the other students. I'd sit there confused for a while, trying to understand the topic that everyone else seemed to grasp faster than I. I thought I was bit slow for a long time, despite my good grades.

What I finally realized was that I was actually coming to an understanding of the subject, while the others were mainly memorizing and regurgitating. This became obvious when instructors would ask questions that weren't just copy/pasted from book questions with the values changed. People couldn't figure them out because they didn't actually understand what they were supposed to have learned. They couldn't take knowledge and apply it to something different. They didn't really learn anything.

This opened my eyes, and I see this everywhere now.

Many of these doctors and scientists that went along with these crimes without being threatened or paid are prime examples.

Karloff says

What I finally realized was that I was actually coming to an understanding of the subject, while the others were mainly memorizing and regurgitating. This became obvious when instructors would ask questions that weren't just copy/pasted from book questions with the values changed. People couldn't figure them out because they didn't actually understand what they were supposed to have learned. They couldn't take knowledge and apply it to something different. They didn't really learn anything.

I was always obsessed with understanding HOW something worked. Drove me nuts to be forced to memorize an equation, and have the teacher tell me the derivation was "too complicated". Velocity is just the derivative of position. I can teach a derivation in a day to anybody that understands division.

I'm convinced skool is designed to waste people's time, not to teach them.

My parents purposely, and stupidly, gave me a big head. Don't do that to your kids.

Karloff says

Many of these doctors and scientists that went along with these crimes without being threatened or paid are prime examples.

SCIENTISTS are what surprise me. DOCTORS are glorified mechanics, that have no clue what they are doing, who are intentionally given a god complex. Scientists, the fundamental thing about science is you have to understand the process to even look for other solutions are apply the process to another process.

Take evolutionary theory, that was extended to computer science, and it produced a lot. Some algorithms even mimic parents and children, although the parents are generally immortal until their children kill them off through superior competition.

richwicks says

My parents purposely, and stupidly, gave me a big head. Don't do that to your kids.

YES. I think it is not a good idea to tell young girls over and over that they are good looking. Or young boy either. I remember my mother's friends saying things about me when I was a teenager. I don't think they knew I could hear them. Not good.

GNL says

richwicks says

My parents purposely, and stupidly, gave me a big head. Don't do that to your kids.

YES. I think it is not a good idea to tell young girls over and over that they are good looking. Or young boy either. I remember my mother's friends saying things about me when I was a teenager. I don't think they knew I could hear them. Not good.

I don't think it's a good idea to give people an over-inflated sense of confidence. I think it's better to push them to do better.

It's hard to say. I'm a skeptical person who does a lot of research because I distrust everybody but at the same time I for a VERY LONG TIME believed that journalists were "making mistakes" - they weren't, they were lying - they were purposely producing propaganda. I just thought they were far more stupid than I was. They aren't stupid, they're dishonest. Imagine my arrogance to think I knew more than a journalist did, who professionally was supposed to report information, that I had collected in my spare time? I'm sure the typical journalist knows more than I do... now.

It was difficult for me to realize, because I cannot lie in my profession. You can't bullshit engineering. I think that's a problem with a lot of engineers, that they don't recognize that in other fields "experts" lie, even though we see this within our own discipline. I've seen companies lie about the capabilities of a product, assuming, that the problems of the product will be solved before release by the engineers. Grandiose claims that MIGHT be possible to solve before release. "It's going to change the world" is common, remember code-name "Ginger" - the stupid Segway? Too much hype in my industry.

We always get found out, but people keep buying. It's bizarre.

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