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Yup

Why destroy a beautiful lie with all these rumors. Covid is a wonderful political allegory that will make the Globalists so happy when all the useless eaters are gone, gone, gone.

That is not necessary for the vaccines as the spike protein has been isolated. The shots consist of either MRNA or DNA (other virus) methods to infect the body to produce that spike protein so that antibodies can be built. Now that doesn't mean that they have it right and the headline is definitely a concern and I would not take the jab unless you're high risk group, but technically it's not necessary to isolate the full virus IF you're convinced the spike proteins come from the virus and are used for infiltration.

NuttBoxer says

Soo... If covid19 has never been isolated, what's in those shots..?

Who cares NB? I know you agree with this, just live healthy. There's no fucking reason to get this shot if you take care of yourself.

Everyone is going to get some strain of influenza no matter what. If you're unhealthy, you could die. If you're healthy, you might have a bad 3-7 days. Outside of dying it's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of time. And the death rate is a decimal for 90% of the population and that includes unhealthy people.

Respected scientists say they can't find isolates or cultures anywhere, CDC claims there are none to be found when contacted. And yet, millions upon millions have died of 'it'.

Although I am skeptic of all the scare mongering around COVID response.
I still feel that COVID only kills older people with underlying conditions.

But I know of 5 cases in India who died of COVID. All under 50. I had high BP and other diabetes. 3 had no known underlying conditions.
May be the India strain is more dangerous like the one killed lot of people in NY.

Due to whole politicization around this issue, It is hard to know the truth.
If I do see cases of many more people dying under 50 with know known health issues, I would be worried about this virus.

I will be concerned when dead people are left on the streets. Or at least when I actually find out someone I know has died.

I know, second hand, of one person dying and one person getting hospitalized. No one I personally know has died, been hospitalized, or even got real sick from the Wuhan.

It's not your typical pandemic where a bunch of people die and shit.

Onvacation says

It's not your typical pandemic where a bunch of people die and shit.

We know that medical establishment is not(or not allowed to) telling the whole truth.
It is very scary when highly regarded professionals renege on their oath for fear or greed.

farmer2021 says

We know that medical establishment is not(or not allowed to) telling the whole truth.
It is very scary when highly regarded professionals renege on their oath for fear or greed

It's a business. Everything that exists is to extract money from you. Until you realize this, you're kind of fucked. Politics, countries, grocery stores, attorneys, everything, etc.

This is why we have ghettos that play the game. Most of us just pay them to live for free. And this isn't exclusive to the US. Why do you think communism and socialism was even an idea? How can you get your shit for free? They figured it out.

NuttBoxer says

If covid19 has never been isolated

A student of mine, whom I trust, works in a lab that has sequenced covid virus. it is very real and exists.

There are enough real lies and conspiracies going around so we do not need to invent new ones.

https://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-area/press-documents/institut-pasteur-isolates-strains-coronavirus-2019-ncov-detected-france

Rb6d says

NuttBoxer says

If covid19 has never been isolated

A student of mine, whom I trust, works in a lab that has sequenced covid virus. it is very real and exists.

I do believe it's real. I just don't think the narrative fits what it actually is. I'm basing this off my age group. Of the 30+ I know with positive tests, 95% didn't even know they had it. One guy went to the doctor, but that was for other reasons in my opinion. Everyone else was test because of the loss of smell or work related. It's not serious I guess is the point. At all.

WookieMan says

It's a business. Everything that exists is to extract money from you. Until you realize this, you're kind of fucked. Politics, countries, grocery stores, attorneys, everything, etc.

When asked, I am always proud to say that I take no prescription medicine, I'm not saying I haven't, and not saying I wont again if needed, but I avoid medication.

Pills make me feel icky and I don't like needles, but I will use the services of medical professionals when needed. Modern medical care is amazing, but the only thing doctors can do for you is make you feel better. I use them as little as possible, mostly for dental, eyes, ears, and the occasional trauma.

Medicine is a racket. When my brother was getting his PhD in Chemistry from UC Davis he was doing research on cancer. They were looking for the silver bullet to target the cancer and leave the rest of the body healthy. My brother came to the conclusion that most, not all, cancers were from lifestyle choices and the best prevention, and possibly the cure, for cancer was diet and exercise.

Obese people KNOW that the Wuhan has a target on their back.

WookieMan says

Why do you think communism and socialism was even an idea?

Because some idiot rich white progressives (starting with Marx, Engels, et al.) think people are stupid and society would be much better if only the peons would follow their rules.

Rb6d says

A student of mine, whom I trust, works in a lab that has sequenced covid virus. it is very real and exists.

The question is was it ALL planned.

The (real?) evidence seems to suggest that this was a weaponized virus started at the Wuhan lab. It seems to target the old and those with comorbidities. It is, supposedly, very transmissible.

The question is, was the fascism planned? Or just an opportunistic move on the part of governments all over the world? A third option is we're are just getting a glimpse of the evil behind the scenes that Ike and Jack warned us about.

Onvacation says

The question is was it ALL planned.

The (real?) evidence seems to suggest that this was a weaponized virus started at the Wuhan lab. It seems to target the old and those with comorbidities. It is, supposedly, very transmissible.

The question is, was the fascism planned? Or just an opportunistic move on the part of governments all over the world? A third option is we're are just getting a glimpse of the evil behind the scenes that Ike and Jack warned us about.

I believe (ca. 90% confidence level) that virus was made in lab in China. Why they made it I don't know - one well-regarded scientist thinks they were messing with virus and trying to see what a certain part of virus genome was doing. He also thinks that virus escaped by accident because of lax safety procedures in Chinese labs. May be they were trying to make a bioweapon that is non-lethal or they were trying to see how to make a virus more virulent so knowledge can be used in bioweapons.

About what happened after it escaped, I think the most likely possibility is that opportunistic governments and media jumped on this to increase their power and revenues and get rid of Orange Man Bad, who would have been re-elected with wide margins without covid, as cheating would more difficult and good economy would have helped the sitting president.

I believe it was released on purpose in partnership with US and global elitists to get rid of Trump and fundamentally transform society toward more central rule.

It is kinda odd how it appeared immediately after the first attempt to impeach Trump failed.

WookieMan says

Everything that exists is to extract money from you. Until you realize this, you're kind of fucked. Politics, countries, grocery stores, attorneys, everything, etc.

I remember when my older sister got her social work degree and was all idealistic about going out and doing good things until they told her on her first job: "Everything is about funding. Whatever brings in money is what we do. If it doesn't bring in money, we don't do that."

It's likely any 'real' Covid was quenched by the population's immune system a few months after it started, and everything since then has been based on falsified tests and subsidized fake reporting i.e. original Covid was gone a long time ago as a respiratory virus, as would have been predicted by standard epidemiological rise and fall curves, but was NOT gone as a political weapon against the people.

I suppose you could call it the 'body double' of still useful pandemic fear. it's why they had to basically attribute every other virus, flu, and natural cause death to fake Covid tests. It's also why they have to keep inventing 'dangerous' variants, and why nobody can isolate it from anywhere.

Some observers are saylng the whole thing was fake. However, it could be mostly fake, but the original virus just passed through the population and departed too soon for the baleful purposes intended for it.

Patrick says

I remember when my older sister got her social work degree and was all idealistic about going out and doing good things until they told her on her first job: "Everything is about funding. Whatever brings in money is what we do. If it doesn't bring in money, we don't do that."

lol, that's the gist of life. This cute idea that doctors will save you, hippocratic oath, etc. is trash. They want you sick. If you're not sick they make no money.

And yes, there are ailments that need treatment and doctors do good things. They don't have a job if you're not sick though and this is undeniable. Big Pharma sales people don't have jobs if they're not making you more sick. It's a chain reaction.

There's a reason when people get 2nd opinions from doctors. I went in for 2 extra senseless visits for my broken heel. Doc was in for under 3 minutes. Between my deductible and insurance he's pulling in probably $1K for two visits of 10 minutes total. That's not including radiology for senseless X-rays either.

Rb6d says

About what happened after it escaped, I think the most likely possibility is that opportunistic governments

The timing of Event 201 sponsored by Bill Gates is very suspicious. It is as if they held a dress rehearsal just as the preplanned release of the weapon was initiated.

Rb6d says

student of mine, whom I trust, works in a lab that has sequenced covid virus. it is very real and exists.

Do you have more information on this? For example, how were they able to isolate the virus and insure no contamination?

Rb6d says

May be they were trying to make a bioweapon that is non-lethal or they were trying to see how to make a virus more virulent so knowledge can be used in bioweapons.

Maybe one of the lab assistants got hungry and couldn't resist that tasty bat in the fridge..

Onvacation says

Maybe one of the lab assistants got hungry and couldn't resist that tasty bat in the fridge..

General Tso’s bat?

mell says

The shots consist of either MRNA or DNA (other virus) methods to infect the body to produce that spike protein so that antibodies can be built.

Not J&J or Aztrezenca, those are supposed to be real vaccines. Again for what, who knows. Now for the GMO-human shots, I think the problem is actually worse. Common DNA science today still believes that 98% of DNA is inactive(junk) DNA, and doesn't know how a cell is assigned it's DNA. Couple this gigantic lack of understanding with no base from which to develop these "spike proteins", and you're looking at one seriously fucked up cocktail of could do anything to your body.

farmer2021 says

May be the India strain is more dangerous like the one killed lot of people in NY.

I think that's referred to as the Cuomo strain..

Rb6d says

A student of mine, whom I trust, works in a lab that has sequenced covid virus. it is very real and exists.

So how is it a student you know can provide information the dept of health in Ireland cannot? If France really isolated it, wouldn't they share that info with Ireland? Aren't they all in the Union?

One of the things that was clear when they first had the crisis actors and the fake bodies loading into refrigerator trucks etc. etc. was that Covid wouldn't 'last' long enough in the population for the 2020 election. They had to find a way to keep it going, zombie like, to justify the mail in ballots and voter fraud.

Covid is the 'excuse for everything' that the Globalists and Deep (Shallow) State have been using to promote their agendas and no Covid, no agenda, so Covid had to be kept alive by MSM no matter what and no matter if it was in the population any more or not.

Right now, it's just the ultra-hoax to get the vaccine agenda launched. I seriously doubt that anything people have gotten since summer 2020 has been Covid, but just variants of colds and flu.

NuttBoxer says

mell says

The shots consist of either MRNA or DNA (other virus) methods to infect the body to produce that spike protein so that antibodies can be built.

Not J&J or Aztrezenca, those are supposed to be real vaccines. Again for what, who knows. Now for the GMO-human shots, I think the problem is actually worse. Common DNA science today still believes that 98% of DNA is inactive(junk) DNA, and doesn't know how a cell is assigned it's DNA. Couple this gigantic lack of understanding with no base from which to develop these "spike proteins", and you're looking at one seriously fucked up cocktail of could do anything to your body.

The J & J and Astra Zeneca are not (real) traditional vaccines either. Instead of mrna they use a viral vector, i.e. dna, a modified adenovirus (J & J) or some other type of common cold virus (Astra Zeneca) to produce the spike protein. All you need to know is what the spike protein looks like. Potentially equally dangerous imo although viral vectors have been used before as opposed to mrna which is brand new. A traditional vaccine would use a weakened or dead form of the exact virus or a mix of (genetically) close enough viruses of the same group.

Ceffer says

I seriously doubt that anything people have gotten since summer 2020 has been Covid, but just variants of colds and flu.

I've heard some first hand reports from people I trust of conditions related to a sickness that are quite bizarre, so I'm not saying there isn't something out there, just that I believe absolutely zero credible work has been done to identify what that is. Although to be fair, I remember hearing about a number of mystery illnesses in the past five years, none of which seem to have ever been identified. Whatever this mystery sickness is, it hasn't killed anyone that I know of, and isn't wide-spread. So the condition of pandemic are still not met.

mell says

The J & J and Astra Zeneca are not (real) traditional vaccines either. Instead of mrna they use a viral vector, i.e. dna, a modified adenovirus (J & J) or some other type of common cold virus (Astra Zeneca) to produce the spike protein.

Good to know, appreciate you getting the facts straight! And I'm not being sarcastic, just wanted to be clear on that, as written communication can make that hard to tell sometimes.

Ceffer says

Right now, it's just the ultra-hoax to get the vaccine agenda launched. I seriously doubt that anything people have gotten since summer 2020 has been Covid, but just variants of colds and flu.

Yup

PeopleUnited says

Do you have more information on this? For example, how were they able to isolate the virus and insure no contamination?

I can ask him when I see him in a few months. Virus isolation is fairly standard procedure, there is nothing unusual. Furthermore, I believe some other coronavirus sequences are known, so error is very unlikely. Conspiracy here is hyping something with 99.8+ % survival rate, which is similar to flu in a bad year, and timing of the hype.

NuttBoxer says

So how is it a student you know can provide information the dept of health in Ireland cannot? If France really isolated it, wouldn't they share that info with Ireland? Aren't they all in the Union?

The source you provide is less reliable than Irish government aka not everything posted on internet is true. I believe my own eyes and ears rather than a suspicious communist rag.

See what EU Times (your source) say about themselves:

Ideology
To make things clear, we DO endorse communism in its original Soviet Union form, we disavow Antifa as not real communists but as a bunch of Satanist schizophrenics who should all be sent to the Siberian gulags. We also support nationalism! We are both socialists and nationalists. Had the Axis and the USSR got along back in the 40s like they should have, the world would have been a totally different place now (for the good).

Rb6d says

The source you provide is less reliable than Irish government aka not everything posted on internet is true.

If I dig far enough, I can find reasons not to ever trust anyone. But that doesn't mean they all lie 24/7. So what specifically about this FOI request is faked?

I don't think background is nearly as important here as government correspondence proving all pandemic recommendations/regulations/fines are based on nothing, and therefore very litigious.

Also, I've heard this from a few other sources, none of which are communist. So at this point, the conspiracy theory seems to be that this is a communist plot, not that governments base regulation off of smoke and mirrors. And I know you don't need examples corroborating that last...

NuttBoxer says

government correspondence proving all pandemic recommendations/regulations/fines are based on nothing,

yeah, but the reason of that "nothing" is different from what the commie rag says...if someone I know has worked on sequencing on virus, I'll believe him and not some clueless politician.
There is no argument tho that all pandemic recommendations/regulations/fines are based on nothing - science behind them is somewhere between not yet settled and wrong.